A week to do a liberal's heart good.

Gaard

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Condi's Not So Candid

It is a week to do a liberal's heart good. The star of the show last week was Condoleezza Rice, a black woman. The chief supporting actor was Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a Jewish woman. The occasion was the ceremonial swearing in of Rice as U.S. secretary of state. Ginsburg is the Supreme Court justice who administered the oath.

This week, if all goes as planned, Alberto Gonzales will win Senate approval to become our next attorney general. Gonzales is Hispanic and was born into poverty.

And, ending yesterday, elections were held in Iraq.

For these reasons, you'd expect liberals to be jumping up and down with joy. Don't liberals support diversity and racial equality? Don't liberals support free elections in other free nations?

The answers are yes and yes. So why aren't we cheering?

Well, in a small way, we are. No matter how you might suspect President George W. Bush's motives, you have to give him credit for his actions. He's done a marvelous job of putting minorities into positions of power.

However, one could argue (and I do), that Rice and Gonzales are the wrong minorities. Rice's claim to fame over the past four years has been her willingness to lie to the American people. Gonzales's crowning achievement, as a White House lawyer, was to write a justification for ignoring Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners and providing a legal window of opportunity for us to torture al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere.

At congressional hearings, Gonzales has come across as a bit of an intellectual lightweight but a real champ at evading questions.

The election in Iraq is a bit of a sham. Among the qualified voters are Iraqi-Americans who left Iraq decades ago. I'm writing this two days before the election, but it's a safe bet the Sunnis will boycott it, as they've said they would, the Shiites will vote for fellow Shiites, and the Kurds will vote for Kurds.

The estimated 100,000 Iraqis who died because of the war won't vote.

My concern at the moment, however, is Rice. Why are we getting a new secretary of state with a proven history of lying to the American people?

Rice lied to support the administration's buildup to the war. She indicated with great certainty that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. She suggested that if we didn't invade Iraq, there would be mushroom clouds over our cities.

That was then. Now, with the absence of Saddam's weapons a proven fact, Rice claims she was given false information by our intelligence agencies. Interestingly, no one has been singled out as the purveyor of that false info.

If that's the case, how is it that I knew -- or had a pretty good notion -- that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. Here's what I wrote on Aug. 5, 2002, more than seven months before our invasion of Iraq:

"Is Saddam stockpiling 'weapons of mass destruction' to use against us? People who have been to Iraq, and have had access, say no. People in our government say yes ...

"It's possible that Saddam is up to mischief -- he's certainly capable of it -- but I prefer to believe the reports of independent outsiders rather than those of our government, which has a pretty solid record of lying to us."

My belief at the time was based on the opinions of Scott Ritter and Hans Blix, former and present United Nations weapons inspectors in Iraq. Neither man had a personal ax to grind; both were seekers after truth. Both were competent inspectors.

Writing in the Boston Globe on July 20, 2002, Ritter said: "While we were never able to provide 100 percent certainty regarding the disposition of Iraq's proscribed weaponry, we did ascertain a 90-95 percent level of verified disarmament. This figure takes into account the destruction or dismantling of every major factory associated with prohibited weapons manufacture, all significant items of production equipment, and the majority of the weapons and agent produced by Iraq."

Quoted in Time magazine in October 2002, Ritter said the Bush policy (being promoted by Rice) "threatens a war that probably lacks any basis in law or substantive fact. It has a real chance of putting thousands of American lives at risk and seeks to dictate American will on the world."

Hans Blix was more cautious, or diplomatic, in his public utterances than Ritter, yet he reported that Iraq had given grudging cooperation to the U.N. weapons inspectors and was actively destroying its few remaining weapons. He felt that near absolute compliance could be verified within a few months. But he was pulled out of Iraq and the war was begun before he could finish his job.

In any event, Secretary Rice knew, or should have known, that Iraq posed no threat to the United States while she was busy making speeches to the contrary.

California Sen. Barbara Boxer and Minnesota Sen. Mark Dayton were both correct to question Rice's honesty in Senate hearings. These two senators, doing their duty, gives liberals something to cheer about. A new secretary of state, who, like her predecessor, has a problem telling the truth to the American people, does not.


I started to bold some passages but I soon realized that the whole article should be bolded. ;)
 

Martin

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Why are you such a racist liberal? Don't you know you're not supposed to critisize Bush's minority appointments?
 

kage69

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Quoted in Time magazine in October 2002, Ritter said the Bush policy (being promoted by Rice) "threatens a war that probably lacks any basis in law or substantive fact. It has a real chance of putting thousands of American lives at risk and seeks to dictate American will on the world."

:( I feel lousy that I spoke ill of him and went along with Cheney's grand adventure. Imagine the world now if we hadn't invaded.
 

glenn1

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I thought bringing hope to the oppressed, seeking greater freedom in lands where there were none before, and hoping to see minorities get ahead were all liberal values at one point? All the events referred to in the OP should be cause for celebration in the liberal circles, or have we come to the point in our history where the values and visions espoused by JFK and LBJ have come full circle?

Have we in one generation gone from "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. This much we pledge?and more."

to

"The election in Iraq is a bit of a sham. Among the qualified voters are Iraqi-Americans who left Iraq decades ago. I'm writing this two days before the election, but it's a safe bet the Sunnis will boycott it, as they've said they would, the Shiites will vote for fellow Shiites, and the Kurds will vote for Kurds."


And "Those words are a promise to every citizen that he shall share in the dignity of man. This dignity cannot be found in man's possessions. It cannot be found in his power or in his position. It really rests on his right to be treated as a man equal in opportunity to all others. It says that he shall share in freedom, he shall choose his leaders, educate his children, provide for his family according to his ability and his merits as a human being."

to

"At congressional hearings, Gonzales has come across as a bit of an intellectual lightweight but a real champ at evading questions."


 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: glenn1
All the events referred to in the OP should be cause for celebration in the liberal circles

After giving it some more thought, I have to agree with you.
Who cares if Rice is a lying scumbag, she's a minority and that's all that matters.
Who cares if Gonzales is a heartless bastard, he's a minority and that's all that matters.


 

HwK2

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I cannot belive Condi is black; and Ruth Ginsburg is Jewish and holy cow to top it off they are women? next thing you know someone is going to say Al Gonzalas is a mexican american, wait he can't be ...the guy who stole my low paying job because I am a fat lazy bigot was taller.

Well i for one don't belive any of it or that horse crap about Robert Byrd and the KKK.

 

imported_Condor

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OOPS!, correction

So how come none of the libs have NOT applauded the importance of the numbers of women that turned out to vote in this Iraqi election. Particularly since some of them had to walk miles to get to the voting stations? I haven't heard any of the great leftist women leaders comment on it at all. Didn't serve your personal and political agendas, did it?
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: HwK2
I cannot belive Condi is black; and Ruth Ginsburg is Jewish and holy cow to top it off they are women? next thing you know someone is going to say Al Gonzalas is a mexican american, wait he can't be ...the guy who stole my low paying job because I am a fat lazy bigot was taller.

Well i for one don't belive any of it or that horse crap about Robert Byrd and the KKK.

Huh?
 

kage69

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I think its funny that this will be the only time you ever hear conservatives talking about minority rights.

Keeps making me think of the RNC on TV, when they'd show the view of the audience from afar, and it was 99% caucasian, but almost every single close-up of a person in the stands was a black, latino, or asian! Hilarious.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
why does race matter?
Because the Bush admin is trying to hide their lies, deceit, failures, and incompetence behind the race card.
 

PatboyX

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i keep hearing this argument, as though assuming one should be promoted because of race is any less racist than suggesting someone does not deserve a post because of it.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I think its funny that this will be the only time you ever hear conservatives talking about minority rights.

That is because, unlike Democrats, we act! Democrats talk just enough to get those bloc votes and then dump minorities just outside the polling stations. Admit it, to Democratic leadership, minorities are just votes that can be bought with transfer payments. To Republican leadership, minorities are great resources with talent that shouldn't be wasted. Republican leadership actually looks at them as people with talent and use them in positions where they can do humanity some good.

 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Condor
So how come none of the libs have applauded the importance of the numbers of women that turned out to vote in this Iraqi election. Particularly since some of them had to walk miles to get to the voting stations? I haven't heard any of the great leftist women leaders comment on it at all. Didn't serve your personal and political agendas, did it?

How come we hear so many times that Muslims/womens rights/peace, is impossible?
And wtf does this have to do with women leaders?
 

imported_Condor

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I don't fully understand your comment, but I did go back and correct my post. I left out a pretty important word.