I'm a little biased on this subject due to family ties. As of now the Government and Insurance companies can tell doctors what they will give them for their services. This seems to be against the idea of capitalism. However, I can understand that healthcare should be a basic human right. So is there a way to provide healthcare to the masses without shortchanging doctors? Thanks for any input.
A thought on National Healthcare
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Its called Medicare. With the exception of the Big Gift to Big Pharma(tm), it works well. Patients like it, doctors get paid.
Expand it to all, raise the FICA tax as need, eliminate private insurance premiums, all Americans are covered. Programs like Medicaid, the VA, etc, are all eliminated as redundant.
And before you cons start bvtching that the taxpayer shouldn't foot the bill and blah blah, think about this. The taxpayer is a worker is a consumer of health care. So when you put the burden of paying on the taxpayer, you are putting the burden on the consumer of the health care.
Expand it to all, raise the FICA tax as need, eliminate private insurance premiums, all Americans are covered. Programs like Medicaid, the VA, etc, are all eliminated as redundant.
And before you cons start bvtching that the taxpayer shouldn't foot the bill and blah blah, think about this. The taxpayer is a worker is a consumer of health care. So when you put the burden of paying on the taxpayer, you are putting the burden on the consumer of the health care.
Umm, doctors hate medicare. I know doctors who have moved their practice specifically to get out from under all the medicare patients.
They might get paid for the surgery, but they get 0$ for the followup visit or any casting materials, etc. given in the office.
Not only does this give them 0$, but it takes valuable time away from the doctors who might be seeing other patients who can pay.
I'm not saying the doctors are right, but that's the way it is.
I know two doctors who love Medicare and absolutely loathe private insurance. They spend more time dealing with Blue Cross BS than anything else.
AnitaPeterson
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Those doctors are actually ****** professionals and human beings, regardless of how competent they are.
Just like the bastards who become lawyers because they want the money, not because they give a rat's ass about justice and truth.
Bad example.
Create the Post Office of medicine. Take ordinary people, pay for their education in return for a career, say 10 years in medicine with education unlimited according to ambition and pay a living wage, say up to 100 dollars an hour for doctors. Offer retirement and life time tenure with good performance. Focus on prevention and lifestyle change and public education.
Yes. This is probably the primary purpose of the National Institute of Health (NIH). The government also funds research through the VA (including me and my lab
), all military branches, and many other sources.42% of American adults didn't pay taxes last year. Under your plan, they would all receive healthcare benefits. Thus, you're wrong - the taxpayer is not the burden on the consumer of healthcare. The non-taxpayer is the burden on the taxpayer, though both may consume equally.
The program that most doctors are forced to withdraw from because it has insanely low attendance rates and years of delay in paying bills? Yes, great solution. :roll:
rudder
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Do a google on "tenncare." That is Tennessee's version of trying to provide healthcare. What you get is very little incentive for people to take care of themselves, fraud, people going to the emergency room to get tylenol rather than pay $5 at the store, etc, etc. Right now it consumes 1/3 of the states overall budget. Early last year in an attempt to save the program, the governer proposed cost savings measures such as copays and prescription limits (nationally the average is 11 scripts per year, tenccare enrollees averaged 33). People on tenncare threw a hissy fit and the state was sued.
Do you think the federal government can handle that better?
Originally posted by: FoBoT
what makes you think that?
i'll go back and read the US Constitution
Yes, go back and read the Constitution please.
Below used to be the case.
The fact that the rich are doing everything in their power to hammer down the poor is what is destroying America.
Why are there no proletarians in America? There are poor people and rich people, but the American rich -- unlike the rich of the past; unlike the French aristocracy, for example -- have no interest in keeping the poor down. Henry Ford wanted us all to be able to afford to buy his automobiles and the Humbles wanted us to be able to buy their oil. Also, the American poor, unlike the poor of the past, have no interest in bringing down the rich. To do so would require them to destroy the liberty that allowed the rich to become rich and by which the poor want to become rich themselves.
I just think it is funny that you are willing to push the costs of healthcare from corporations to individuals via taxes. Then complain about CEOs making lots of money and pharmas raking in the cash. Bush's drug plan is a prime example of what will happen when private industry gets their hand into the tax payers coffers.
Pharmas will be making money hand over fist from any national healthcare plan. So will any other supplier of medical services or supplies.
42% of adults didn't pay taxes last year, fair enough. My wife was one of them. She's a stay-at-home-mom. But who paid for her health insurance? I did. I imagine that stay-at-home moms, college students, and old folks account for the vast majority of your tax-free adults that are already covered by others. So if I pay for her through taxes or through insurance premiums, what's the difference? In the later case, all of us are burdens on my employer.
I guess taxpayer=health care consumer doesn't work for all. I'll say taxpayer/taxpayer's spouse/taxpayer's college kid=health care consumer.
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umm I've worked for a podiatrist before, doing billing. We never had problem with Medicare/Medicaid (95 % of his patients were elderly and on care or caid). Most of the time I had to call humana or blue cross becuase they didn't come through or they got shady on what's covered.... so please stop talking ooutta your ass.
BTW NIH and CDC grants pay for my wage
Once again Moonie hits the nail on the head.
The U.S. is no longer an "Industrialized" Nation.
It is a giant Island of a select group of wealthy Aristocrats and Theologians with Service only by peasants and no manufacturing ubless you call making a hamburger manufacturing. Republicans are proud.
They are already. The proper course of action of of any nationalized health plan would be to fix prices on drugs that allow for a reasonable profit margin, promote generics, and ban advertising of prescription drugs.
Bush's drug plan is socialized medicine done for the benefit of Big Pharma, not the citizens. I doubt that the actual users of Medicare were thought of as anything but checking accounts ripe for depletion.
Tenncare is another example of socialized healthcare gone totally wrong. There are dozens of examples of nationalized health care in the world. Some work better than others. It wouldn't be hard for our government to come up with one that works for all Americans, that is, if they could pull away from the Big Pharma/Big Insurance money trough.
Going by memory, does TennCare have any copay whatsoever? That would be the first thing to change. Institute a sliding copay scale based on the previous year's income (with exceptions for unemployment.) Set the Emergency Room copay high enough that it would be better for people at all income levels to see their doctor first or simply go to the drugstore. Also, give the ER authority to reject cases that aren't true emergencies. And before you say "but the lawyers ..." remember that we give Big Pharma immunity for vaccines, we can certainly give hospitals the ability to kick out non-emergency cases without fear of reprisal.
That's what I've always argued. The cons like to ignore that part and focus on the military part.
Yes, Dave. The republicans are at fault for outsourcing because companies only outsource during a republican president.
:roll:
Healtcare is not a right. I don't understand what it is with you people who hate rich people and believe that all the rich want to keep the poor down. I think just the opposite is true. And I think the poor in this country want to take the rich down.
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