A thought I had regarding terrorism

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Oh, and just because you thought it was a bad analogy doesn't make me a right-winger.

No, but your collective posting history does, not to mention your characture of "anti-war" people.

It is one thing to be neutral, and another to pretend to be neutral for one topic, but never neutral on every other occasion. Good try though.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: astrosfan90

Originally posted by: ntdz
It's more like a mosquito biting you, what are you going to do, let them keep biting you and annoying you, or are you going to do something about it?

That's the conservative viewpoint. The liberal one is to kill the mosquito biting you, and then to sit down and try to figure out if there's a way to minimize the spawning of mosquitos in your yard, by perhaps seeking out and eliminating standing water and installing a bug zapper. If you're lucky, the conservatives might move past the "smack it" stage and start plotting to nuke the entire neighborhood with DDT.

Excellent follow through on the analogy. Totally ignored by the OP. How telling....

 

[DealMonkey]

We don't need analogies to understand causation. Consider this for a moment, and put aside all thoughts of appeasement, defeatism, stay-the-course or any of the propoganda from either side of the aisle. Consider if America completely removed itself from the Muslim world tomorrow. Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, the whole deal. Tomorrow the Middle East woke up and America was gone. Imagine, we had just decided to sit back and buy their oil like the rest of the world does, without getting involved with the region politically or militarily except only in self-defense. The real self-defense, not the pre-emptive nonsense we saw from the Bush Administration.

Perhaps they would still hate us, after all the ME people have a long memory and are likley still pissed off about the Crusades, but I digress. Would they have any reason to continue to wage "jihad" on America? Would the impetus for violence dry up?

Now, I'm not necessarily proposing we do this, I'm just pondering the possibility out loud.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: astrosfan90

Originally posted by: ntdz
It's more like a mosquito biting you, what are you going to do, let them keep biting you and annoying you, or are you going to do something about it?

That's the conservative viewpoint. The liberal one is to kill the mosquito biting you, and then to sit down and try to figure out if there's a way to minimize the spawning of mosquitos in your yard, by perhaps seeking out and eliminating standing water and installing a bug zapper. If you're lucky, the conservatives might move past the "smack it" stage and start plotting to nuke the entire neighborhood with DDT.

No, it's not the conservative viewpoint. I said "do something about it," that could mean anything, including everything you just mentioned...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: sandorski
You misunderstand the point. It is not to give Terorists a pass, it's to know why the Terrorists exist in the first place.

No way you're going to get through to people like Blanko.

Look at law enforcement. The whole point of solving a crime is looking for motive/opportunity (or, "why"?) That's completely lost on the Limbaughts of the world.

 

[piasabird]

Terrorists exists because they choose to hate and blame others for their situation in life. Sometimes the victims have nothing to do with the suspect at all. People are taught to hate, to fear and to strike out at those who are different. People that hate, chose to hate and kill.

Why does a murderer murder? Because he or she can!

You cant understand a person who chooses to do evil. They have chosed evil and hate. When you choose evil, they separate themselves from God.

 

[conjur]

wow

 

[Braznor]

It's Islam, stupid.

The West is making a very fatal mistake. It is assuming thee War on terror extends only within itself. No, Islamic terrorists are killing people all over the world, including my nation, India and other places like Thailand etc. India is an extremely soft state, it virtually extends to muslims every concession they demand from the state including imposition of the Sharia laws, allowing them to marry four women at once. Yet the Islamic terrorists kill Indians with impunity, India never invaded Iraq or Palestine, so why the killings????

Why the killings of people and Islamic insurgency in Thailand, did Thailand invade Iraq???

The so called liberals and Leftists are betraying the West by making them search in the wrong place for the answers.

I say it again, its Islam, stupid.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Braznor
It's Islam, stupid.

The West is making a very fatal mistake. It is assuming thee War on terror extends only within itself. No, Islamic terrorists are killing people all over the world, including my nation, India and other places like Thailand etc. India is an extremely soft state, it virtually extends to muslims every concession they demand from the state including imposition of the Sharia laws, allowing them to marry four women at once. Yet the Islamic terrorists kill Indians with impunity, India never invaded Iraq or Palestine, so why the killings????

Why the killings of people and Islamic insurgency in Thailand, did Thailand invade Iraq???

The so called liberals and Leftists are betraying the West by making them search in the wrong place for the answers.

I say it again, its Islam, stupid.

While it's not worth rehashing the "Islamic terrorists != Islam" debate with someone who probably isn't going to get it the 30th time it's explained, I WOULD like to offer this little bit of history for you (that I assume you know, but maybe forgot).

A big part of Mohandas Ghandi's ideas for India included uniting Muslims and Hindus, both during the conflict with England and (especially) after. He opposed the idea of seperating Muslims from the Hindus in the country, an idea that received lukewarm support from Muslims but which the other Indians supported more strongly, even going so far as to suggest that all Muslims should be deported to Pakistan. Ghandi was also among the only Indian leaders at the time that favored trying to develop a friendly relationship with Pakistan, a nation that India had a poor relationship with following the conflict over Kashmir. In large part because of these attempts to bridge the gap between Muslims and Hindus in the region, Ghandi was killed by a radical Hindu acting on behalf of a Hindu terrorist organization. Basically, your nation does not exactly have a proud history of dealing well with Muslims, and the man who freed your country was killed by Hindu terrorists when he tried to improve the situation. If there are problems with Muslim extremists in your country, I have a suspicious that might have something to do with it. And lets face it, the phrase "The World's Largest Democracy" is not exactly true, is it, how are Indian Muslims really treated there?

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor
It's Islam, stupid.

The West is making a very fatal mistake. It is assuming thee War on terror extends only within itself. No, Islamic terrorists are killing people all over the world, including my nation, India and other places like Thailand etc. India is an extremely soft state, it virtually extends to muslims every concession they demand from the state including imposition of the Sharia laws, allowing them to marry four women at once. Yet the Islamic terrorists kill Indians with impunity, India never invaded Iraq or Palestine, so why the killings????

Why the killings of people and Islamic insurgency in Thailand, did Thailand invade Iraq???

The so called liberals and Leftists are betraying the West by making them search in the wrong place for the answers.

I say it again, its Islam, stupid.

While it's not worth rehashing the "Islamic terrorists != Islam" debate with someone who probably isn't going to get it the 30th time it's explained, I WOULD like to offer this little bit of history for you (that I assume you know, but maybe forgot).

A big part of Mohandas Ghandi's ideas for India included uniting Muslims and Hindus, both during the conflict with England and (especially) after. He opposed the idea of seperating Muslims from the Hindus in the country, an idea that received lukewarm support from Muslims but which the other Indians supported more strongly, even going so far as to suggest that all Muslims should be deported to Pakistan. Ghandi was also among the only Indian leaders at the time that favored trying to develop a friendly relationship with Pakistan, a nation that India had a poor relationship with following the conflict over Kashmir. In large part because of these attempts to bridge the gap between Muslims and Hindus in the region, Ghandi was killed by a radical Hindu acting on behalf of a Hindu terrorist organization. Basically, your nation does not exactly have a proud history of dealing well with Muslims, and the man who freed your country was killed by Hindu terrorists when he tried to improve the situation. If there are problems with Muslim extremists in your country, I have a suspicious that might have something to do with it. And lets face it, the phrase "The World's Largest Democracy" is not exactly true, is it, how are Indian Muslims really treated there?

I would appreciate you learning Indian history before trying to lecture me about it.

Pakistan was an idea which was the sole creation of muslims. Muslims expected the British to hand over the power to them instead ofa democratic union, failing which they demanded and got Pakistan. Gandhi (not Ghandi) constantly tried to appease muslims and failed miserably. The muslims of the region got their cake and eat it too in the sense, they managed to wringle Pakistan and got to stay in India as well. And Indian Muslims are being constantly appeased, thanks to the people like the likes of you over here. For instance:

They get subsidies for their trip to Haj (No other nation in the world gives this)

They have their own personal laws under the Sharia.

They can marry four women at the same time, divorce them by just saying the word 'Talaq' thrice and expect to pay no maintenance. etc.

No other nation in the world appeases Muslims the way India does.

By the way, Pakistan sponsors terrorism all over the world, it is the world's leading Jihad factory. I wonder how long will you leftists keep fooling yourselves and the others????

 

[Braznor]

By the way, Rainsford

If the Hindus are the people who wanted to kick Muslims out of India, why the hell did we let half of them stay back after the partition? Why didn't we kick the entire lot across the border? And what happened to all the minorities who decided to stay back in Pakistan? People who constituted 25% of the population then and are less than 2% of the population today?

Do you have any answers?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor
It's Islam, stupid.

The West is making a very fatal mistake. It is assuming thee War on terror extends only within itself. No, Islamic terrorists are killing people all over the world, including my nation, India and other places like Thailand etc. India is an extremely soft state, it virtually extends to muslims every concession they demand from the state including imposition of the Sharia laws, allowing them to marry four women at once. Yet the Islamic terrorists kill Indians with impunity, India never invaded Iraq or Palestine, so why the killings????

Why the killings of people and Islamic insurgency in Thailand, did Thailand invade Iraq???

The so called liberals and Leftists are betraying the West by making them search in the wrong place for the answers.

I say it again, its Islam, stupid.

While it's not worth rehashing the "Islamic terrorists != Islam" debate with someone who probably isn't going to get it the 30th time it's explained, I WOULD like to offer this little bit of history for you (that I assume you know, but maybe forgot).

A big part of Mohandas Ghandi's ideas for India included uniting Muslims and Hindus, both during the conflict with England and (especially) after. He opposed the idea of seperating Muslims from the Hindus in the country, an idea that received lukewarm support from Muslims but which the other Indians supported more strongly, even going so far as to suggest that all Muslims should be deported to Pakistan. Ghandi was also among the only Indian leaders at the time that favored trying to develop a friendly relationship with Pakistan, a nation that India had a poor relationship with following the conflict over Kashmir. In large part because of these attempts to bridge the gap between Muslims and Hindus in the region, Ghandi was killed by a radical Hindu acting on behalf of a Hindu terrorist organization. Basically, your nation does not exactly have a proud history of dealing well with Muslims, and the man who freed your country was killed by Hindu terrorists when he tried to improve the situation. If there are problems with Muslim extremists in your country, I have a suspicious that might have something to do with it. And lets face it, the phrase "The World's Largest Democracy" is not exactly true, is it, how are Indian Muslims really treated there?

AAAAH! I believe you are right, religion is the main reason the terrorist groups exist. Religion lets the terrorist dismiss his victims humanity. After all, where is the Atheistic terrorist?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor
It's Islam, stupid.

The West is making a very fatal mistake. It is assuming thee War on terror extends only within itself. No, Islamic terrorists are killing people all over the world, including my nation, India and other places like Thailand etc. India is an extremely soft state, it virtually extends to muslims every concession they demand from the state including imposition of the Sharia laws, allowing them to marry four women at once. Yet the Islamic terrorists kill Indians with impunity, India never invaded Iraq or Palestine, so why the killings????

Why the killings of people and Islamic insurgency in Thailand, did Thailand invade Iraq???

The so called liberals and Leftists are betraying the West by making them search in the wrong place for the answers.

I say it again, its Islam, stupid.

While it's not worth rehashing the "Islamic terrorists != Islam" debate with someone who probably isn't going to get it the 30th time it's explained, I WOULD like to offer this little bit of history for you (that I assume you know, but maybe forgot).

A big part of Mohandas Ghandi's ideas for India included uniting Muslims and Hindus, both during the conflict with England and (especially) after. He opposed the idea of seperating Muslims from the Hindus in the country, an idea that received lukewarm support from Muslims but which the other Indians supported more strongly, even going so far as to suggest that all Muslims should be deported to Pakistan. Ghandi was also among the only Indian leaders at the time that favored trying to develop a friendly relationship with Pakistan, a nation that India had a poor relationship with following the conflict over Kashmir. In large part because of these attempts to bridge the gap between Muslims and Hindus in the region, Ghandi was killed by a radical Hindu acting on behalf of a Hindu terrorist organization. Basically, your nation does not exactly have a proud history of dealing well with Muslims, and the man who freed your country was killed by Hindu terrorists when he tried to improve the situation. If there are problems with Muslim extremists in your country, I have a suspicious that might have something to do with it. And lets face it, the phrase "The World's Largest Democracy" is not exactly true, is it, how are Indian Muslims really treated there?

You do understand that India and Pakistan were both part of British India right? It was Muhammad Ali Jinnah who pushed for the creation of a separate Muslim state, as opposed to staying a part of India. This was done mainly in order to protect the rights of Muslims.

Interestingly Jinnah was a secular leader who even said "You may belong to any religion caste or creed - that has nothing to do with the business of the state. In due course of time, Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state."

It is a shame that he ideas were not followed.

The terrorism we see in India is almost exclusively about Kashmir. There are a lot of similarities between Kashmir and the Israeli-Arab conflict, including the start date 1947-1948. Basically, Muslims want Kashmir, India won't give up so there have been four wars over it, and now Muslim terrorism.

Why is it that when Muslims can't win a territory through war the resort to blowing up innocent people?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Hint: Bombing 100,000 innocents into the ground because you cannot find Bin Laden simply means that instead of 1,000,000 people hating your guts of which 100 turn to terrorism you now have 1,000,000,000 hating your guts of which 10,000 or more turn to terrorism.

While if you'd stop killing innocents or participating in killing them by supplying the means to do so you'd suddenly have less enemies as only the mentally insane who want to destroy the country remain (Bin Laden, Bush, etc).

That doesn't mean you have to stop hunting down those responsible, but to use your example let's say that when a loser tries to attack you instead of killing him you bomb several schools killing thousands of kids. Think their parents will cheer you on for 'defending yourself against the loser'?

 

[Todd33]

Another thread jack by Braznor, the crazy anti-Muslim Indian.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Another thread jack by Braznor, the crazy anti-Muslim Indian.

Tell me something and try to make it seem intelligent....

What does Thailand have to do with Iraq and Palestine, so why is Islamic terrorism fermenting over there? Are the Thais persecuting Muslims? For India, the leftists are hellbent on blaming Kashmir even though India has already been partitioned once in favor of Muslims, so let us see you reason away the problem in Thailand.

Tell me what kind of negotiation or introspecting can work while fighting these monsters, monsters who do not even spare school teachers? Tell me what's common amongst these diverse conflicts around the world and why no other community appears to do this enmass?

 

[Todd33]

Monsters, monsters I tell you!!!


Arrrrrrrrrhhhhggggggg!

 

[KlokWyze]

The topic is retarded.

Its like asking:
Why should I understand anything?

ever heard:
"Know your enemy."

The fact is: you don't even know WHO your enemy actually is and the fact that you would consider not considering your "enemy's" reason to fight is utterly retarded. Hence my opening statement.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I hear a lot of anti-war people say things along the lines of:

"We need to step back and figure out why the terrorists hate us and are attacking us. What are we doing to piss them off?"

I had a good analogy. Lets say some loser on the street comes up and threatens you with a knife and is going to try to kill you. Do you say to yourself:

"What am I doing to make this guy want to kill me? How can I change myself so that I can make peace with this person, instead of fueling the fire?"

Or do you simply kick his ass?

it's real simple. most of the people on this board will hand over their wives, their wallets, and their dignity.. then they'll run away crying and make a new appointment with their shrinks. Then, after an extra Prozac or two, they'll forget it ever happened...

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I hear a lot of anti-war people say things along the lines of:

"We need to step back and figure out why the terrorists hate us and are attacking us. What are we doing to piss them off?"

I had a good analogy. Lets say some loser on the street comes up and threatens you with a knife and is going to try to kill you. Do you say to yourself:

"What am I doing to make this guy want to kill me? How can I change myself so that I can make peace with this person, instead of fueling the fire?"

Or do you simply kick his ass?

it's real simple. most of the people on this board will hand over their wives, their wallets, and their dignity.. then they'll run away crying and make a new appointment with their shrinks. Then, after an extra Prozac or two, they'll forget it ever happened...

Wow, that was immature and of course full of $hit. Of course you buy into the OP and it's lame analogy, you also think in simple terms. How many "bomb them all" post have you made here now? Thinking and solving problems without violence isn't exactly your strong point. Too much BF2?

BTW did the military release you yet, did you fail a psyc test?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I hear a lot of anti-war people say things along the lines of:

"We need to step back and figure out why the terrorists hate us and are attacking us. What are we doing to piss them off?"

I had a good analogy. Lets say some loser on the street comes up and threatens you with a knife and is going to try to kill you. Do you say to yourself:

"What am I doing to make this guy want to kill me? How can I change myself so that I can make peace with this person, instead of fueling the fire?"

Or do you simply kick his ass?

it's real simple. most of the people on this board will hand over their wives, their wallets, and their dignity.. then they'll run away crying and make a new appointment with their shrinks. Then, after an extra Prozac or two, they'll forget it ever happened...

Wow, that was immature and of course full of $hit. Of course you buy into the OP and it's lame analogy, you also think in simple terms. How many "bomb them all" post have you made here now? Thinking and solving problems without violence isn't exactly your strong point. Too much BF2?

BTW did the military release you yet, did you fail a psyc test?

i've never had a "bomb them all" mentality. I DO, however, believe that the .1% who are fanatics must be destroyed so that the other 99.9% of Muslims can reclaim their own religion and lands... in fact, I pray every day that those in the peaceful 99.9% will rise up and destroy the fanaticism themselves. but, I wont hold my breath... so, in the meantime, we'll do it.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I hear a lot of anti-war people say things along the lines of:

"We need to step back and figure out why the terrorists hate us and are attacking us. What are we doing to piss them off?"

I had a good analogy. Lets say some loser on the street comes up and threatens you with a knife and is going to try to kill you. Do you say to yourself:

"What am I doing to make this guy want to kill me? How can I change myself so that I can make peace with this person, instead of fueling the fire?"

Or do you simply kick his ass?

it's real simple. most of the people on this board will hand over their wives, their wallets, and their dignity.. then they'll run away crying and make a new appointment with their shrinks. Then, after an extra Prozac or two, they'll forget it ever happened...

Heh, what we (the people you refer to) are trying to do is figuring out the reason why there is so many losers on the street and solve the problem completely. Does people need jobs, does the police need more money or what other reasons are there.

But I guess you people are either too lazy to think or don't have the brain to think and the only thing you know is kicking the butt of every loser that comes your way.

I hope you are either really lucky or live in a place that doesn't have too many losers, cause one of those losers can really hurt you or kill you for 10 bucks.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: bamacre
That's funny because most of what I hear from the anti-war crowd is "why the hell are we in Iraq?"

I think you left the last part out, it goes "why the hell are we in Iraq and why aren't the chickenhack stormtroopers over there helping'?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: palehorse74in fact, I pray every day that those in the peaceful 99.9% will rise up and destroy the fanaticism themselves. but, I wont hold my breath... so, in the meantime, we'll do it.

Perhaps you've been praying to the wrong god?

 

[Clinth]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Terrorists exists because they choose to hate and blame others for their situation in life. Sometimes the victims have nothing to do with the suspect at all. People are taught to hate, to fear and to strike out at those who are different. People that hate, chose to hate and kill.

Why does a murderer murder? Because he or she can!

You cant understand a person who chooses to do evil. They have chosed evil and hate. When you choose evil, they separate themselves from God.

exactly it all comes down to simple ideas laid out in Sun Tzu. know your enemy and deal with them in a way they understand.

you don tip for tap and lets sit down and talk about why you are so upset with the US. it a sign of weakness and invites another attack. If we would have shown we would retaliate with a vengeance we would be left alone.... think of the school yard bully...did he pick on the guys that would kick his A$$...no he wanted the milk money from the weak and timid. terrorist are no different. they have a beef with us for problem in there life and come after the USA caus' we have been a soft target. and there is no other super power( I'm mean what an ego boast it must be for them attack the US)