My friend and I while theorizing, ok speculating that the reason there is TnL assist on the V 4/5 drivers is because 3dfx could possible release a add on card with TnL on it. Like the sage chip the have been working on. What do you guys think?
A theory regarding the new Voodoo 4/5 drivers.
- Thread starter Adul
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Nope. I don't think so, but that's my opinion. 3dfx is already spread pretty thin with their current 3-tier product line, the V4, V5 5000/5500 and the future V5 6000. They also have the Rampage coming down (hopefully) soon after the V5 6000. It wouldn't make much sense to make the V5 6000 any more powerful than it already is, or it would steal the show of the Rampage(unless of course Rampage is seriously delayed, like a year or more).
Besides, the Geometry Assist(not TnL assist) simply uses SSE and 3DNow! to speed things up a bit in D3D, rather than VSA-100 hardware.
Besides, the Geometry Assist(not TnL assist) simply uses SSE and 3DNow! to speed things up a bit in D3D, rather than VSA-100 hardware.
i think the newer "geometry assisted" drivers are actually 'redirecters' from the driver to LIE to the Game that the computer supports Hardware TnL (so that hardware TnL-only games can be played)
and when Hardware TnL commands are issued by the game, they are redirected back into the CPU instead of the Graphics card for processing
it is as simple as that i think
and when Hardware TnL commands are issued by the game, they are redirected back into the CPU instead of the Graphics card for processing
it is as simple as that i think
adul: so you are trying to say 3dfx may make an add-on card Purely for T&L only? if so,
I doubt it, coz there are not many T&L game titles out yet, and it just seems odd.
my take is then, these are testing drivers for Rampage, which has T&L last thing I checked. and Rampage drivers may be used for V4/5 (like nvidia's Denatetors)
I doubt it, coz there are not many T&L game titles out yet, and it just seems odd.
my take is then, these are testing drivers for Rampage, which has T&L last thing I checked. and Rampage drivers may be used for V4/5 (like nvidia's Denatetors)
as far as i know
there is no 'add-in ports' on the V4/5 that can take such a 'hardware-tnl upgrade'
there is no 'add-in ports' on the V4/5 that can take such a 'hardware-tnl upgrade'
i dont think you would want a Hardware TnL Enging with a pipe to the AGP card with a 133MB/s PCI (which is already situated by other stuffs) limit 
interesting theory, though I' betting it won't happen. it would be nice though!
BTW, putting this on the V5 6000 wouldn't make it TOO powerful, it would just make it more powerful. remember Rampage is supposed to be abouot 800Mpixels/second PER CHIP, compared to the 366 of these VSA-100's..
does the V5 have any spot for digital connection with another card? my V3 does (I think), and my VOodoo Banshee does for sure..
BTW, putting this on the V5 6000 wouldn't make it TOO powerful, it would just make it more powerful. remember Rampage is supposed to be abouot 800Mpixels/second PER CHIP, compared to the 366 of these VSA-100's..
does the V5 have any spot for digital connection with another card? my V3 does (I think), and my VOodoo Banshee does for sure..
These drivers are simply 3DNow!/SSE optimizations. There is NO hardware T&L or "assisted" T&L. All geometry transformation and lighting is handled by the drivers which run instructions on the host CPU.
I think 3Dfx is just trying to jump on the "T&L" marketing bandwagon.
Rampage should be the most radical departure from the original Voodoo architecture yet.
I think 3Dfx is just trying to jump on the "T&L" marketing bandwagon.
Rampage should be the most radical departure from the original Voodoo architecture yet.
i think the newer "geometry assisted" drivers are actually 'redirecters' from the driver to LIE to the Game that the computer supports Hardware TnL (so that hardware TnL-only games can be played)
and when Hardware TnL commands are issued by the game, they are redirected back into the CPU instead of the Graphics card for processing
it is as simple as that i think
and when Hardware TnL commands are issued by the game, they are redirected back into the CPU instead of the Graphics card for processing
it is as simple as that i think
yeah it's that simple.. it was explained above I think..
"Rampage should be the most radical departure from the original Voodoo architecture yet."
more accurately, it won't BE a Voodoo based architecture, unlike EVERY other 3dfx card so far, therefor it will be the ONLY departure from the Voodoo architecture.
"Rampage should be the most radical departure from the original Voodoo architecture yet."
more accurately, it won't BE a Voodoo based architecture, unlike EVERY other 3dfx card so far, therefor it will be the ONLY departure from the Voodoo architecture.
Well, he did specify the "original" Voodoo architecture, so technically the Voodoo2, Voodoo Banshee and Voodoo3 are all (at least) slight "departures" from that original architecture.
i think FSAA actually can be done on the V3 BUT
it will NOT be the same type of FSAA used on the V4/5 (accumulatived buffer FSAA) - rendering a few frames and then put them together
i think Nvidia's method (oversampling = rending at higher resolution then screen resolution then do a downsampling)
could work for V3
HOWEVER,
Either way, it is gona be SO DAMN SLOW on a V3
a V3 is slow even WITHOUT FSAA, so i dont wana imagine it running it
also
16MB Frame Buffer is limiting on the oversampling capacity since rendering at 1280+ is best with 32MB
it will NOT be the same type of FSAA used on the V4/5 (accumulatived buffer FSAA) - rendering a few frames and then put them together
i think Nvidia's method (oversampling = rending at higher resolution then screen resolution then do a downsampling)
could work for V3
HOWEVER,
Either way, it is gona be SO DAMN SLOW on a V3
a V3 is slow even WITHOUT FSAA, so i dont wana imagine it running it
also
16MB Frame Buffer is limiting on the oversampling capacity since rendering at 1280+ is best with 32MB
FSAA is possible on V3. Anyone here used Bleem with a PSX game? Under the advance settings, you can enable FSAA. My G400 was doing an excellent job (although the res. was 640x480 or lower). Tekken 3 looked way better with FSAA on.
BTW, I think it depends on the game. I'm sure my G400 will crawl if it was possible to run Q3 with FSAA. Then again... everyone already know that.
BTW, I think it depends on the game. I'm sure my G400 will crawl if it was possible to run Q3 with FSAA. Then again... everyone already know that.
<<a V3 is slow even WITHOUT FSAA, so i dont wana imagine it running it>>
Quite funny actually. I always hear people bitching about how they can't run Dues Ex on the GF2 yet the V3 runs it beautifully. The V3 runs every game that's out at a pretty good framerate, I would hardly call it "slow".
Quite funny actually. I always hear people bitching about how they can't run Dues Ex on the GF2 yet the V3 runs it beautifully. The V3 runs every game that's out at a pretty good framerate, I would hardly call it "slow".
well i certainly wont call it good frame rate when my old v3 2000 does
32fps at 1024/16bit Quake3
while my new G2/GTS does
~100fps at 1024/32HQ Quake3
if you wana tell me the V3 has 'good frame rate'
you are telling me you dont know what 'good frame rate' means
32fps at 1024/16bit Quake3
while my new G2/GTS does
~100fps at 1024/32HQ Quake3
if you wana tell me the V3 has 'good frame rate'
you are telling me you dont know what 'good frame rate' means
the v3 is a great budget card for some people who play certain games (UT, Dues Ex, etc..) it all depends on the situation.
<<if you wana tell me the V3 has 'good frame rate'
you are telling me you dont know what 'good frame rate' means>>
I'll let you in on a little secret moron. Not everyone plays Q3. V3 performs excellently in every game but Q3 (and maybe MDK2). Judging a card by one game is STUPID. In fact the only games I play, play better on a V3 than a GF2. How about that? For a card that is a year and a half old and plays every game I play better than most next-gen cards I would say the V3 was one of the best cards ever made.
you are telling me you dont know what 'good frame rate' means>>
I'll let you in on a little secret moron. Not everyone plays Q3. V3 performs excellently in every game but Q3 (and maybe MDK2). Judging a card by one game is STUPID. In fact the only games I play, play better on a V3 than a GF2. How about that? For a card that is a year and a half old and plays every game I play better than most next-gen cards I would say the V3 was one of the best cards ever made.
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