A test of your objectivity

[dank69]

In the poll, the "/" means "or".

Plus, if you're a liberal you tend to vote Democratic. If you're a conservative you tend to vote Republican.

I see you haven't gotten the memo:

Everyone got all that? Biff has declared that Republicans are not to be equated with conservatives under any circumstances. I hope everyone will respect his decree from this day forth.

I will have to report you to the proper authorities.

 

[Todd33]

Of course "my side" makes mistakes, tons.

If I had it my way I'd pick the best of both parties to make one uber party. I just could never vote for a theocratic racists anti-science party. I'd love a real fiscal conservative party to take their place.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I don't think objectivity is being tested by this poll. I understand the idea of getting people to admit their "side" isn't perfect and infallible, but I think mono gave you the most honest answer with his post, and I think most people would state basically the same thing.


Also, if your goal is to equate these two sides, then I think that's not objective at all. Instead it's abdicating judgment to present as non-partisan.

The two should be judged and judged harshly. Then you remain independent and vote for individuals based on your research into their values and agenda and how they align with your own.

An example of a very well-reasoned post. Nice.

 

[zsdersw]

Also, if your goal is to equate these two sides, then I think that's not objective at all. Instead it's abdicating judgment to present as non-partisan.

The two should be judged and judged harshly. Then you remain independent and vote for individuals based on your research into their values and agenda and how they align with your own.

They are equal in the sense they're both dangerous for the future of this country.

I have judged both quite harshly, as a matter of fact. You should do some searching through my posts.

 

[Geosurface]

I did not vote. I was a lifelong registered democrat, until recently. When I was, there was no time at which I didn't acknowledge that the dems made mistakes. I haven't viewed the poll results or read any replies yet but, I find it hard to believe that ANYONE on either side wouldn't acknowledge mistakes on their side.

I am not a republican nor will I ever be, I am somewhere in the middle now, hating both sides. Unsure of who I'll vote for, probably nobody. Both are awful for the country.

 

[Fern]

I'm a conservative so I suppose the Repubs are supposed to be my party. But anyone who reads my posts where I pose solutions to the problems we face knows the Repubs apparently never even consider my POV. So, it's hard for me to say only that they "occasionally makes mistakes". It's more like they rarely have a good idea, but I can say the same for almost all politicians.

Seems to me politics is 'the art of disappointment'.

Fern

 

[jackstar7]

They are equal in the sense they're both dangerous for the future of this country.

I have judged both quite harshly, as a matter of fact. You should do some searching through my posts.

Well, I would agree if you mean that the Parties are dangerous. If you're saying that just being a conservative or liberal is also dangerous... then I don't know what you're on about.

And what is your answer if none meet he rigors of your standards? Do you choose to abstain from the process?

 

[DrPizza]

Where're the options for "my party frequently makes mistakes, though not as often as the other party"?

 

[Moonbeam]

Do you think your "side", or your "team"... otherwise known as the ideology or political party with which you most often or completely agree... ever makes mistakes?

Yes, this is another one of my anti-partisanship threads... and I don't care if you have a problem with it.

If you don't care if you are wrong what fucking business do you have questioning partisans if they think they can be wrong. You're fucking sure you know what you are talking about and you also happen to be full of shit.

Democrats and Republicans can be right and wrong depending, but the partisan modern Republican is insane and can't be talked out of it, only becoming more deeply entrenched if such an attempt is made, whereas liberals, even perhaps insane ones, can be brought around by reason, relatively and comparitively speaking. Partisanship is an evolutionary advantage when there is external threat, and a monstrosity when there isn't. And there isn't a threat which is why Republican partisanship must not be tolerated. Your stupid self-imposed and delusional neutrality and false equivocating, is dangerous apathy. And I don't care if you have a problem with these facts.

 

[davmat787]

No single party, ideology, or independent thinker has a monopoly on perfection, we all make mistakes and lack enough knowledge and objectivity to reach that perfection. I use the word perfection since the poll uses the phrase "never makes mistakes".

If people would start realizing their own house is not without fault, maybe we could move past this partisan sniping bullshit and work on improving their own house rather than using examples of the others faults as excuse for lowered expectations, lack of character, .etc.

Even better, we could all realize we are under a single roof, and get rid of this stupid ideologue and party mentality all together. It is so divisive, this forum is proof of that.

 

[davmat787]

I am not a republican nor will I ever be, I am somewhere in the middle now, hating both sides. Unsure of who I'll vote for, probably nobody. Both are awful for the country.

Close to how I feel. All of the partisan BS that goes on only serves as a facade of differences that people seem to think is what really matters. All the while the D's and R's and DC serve themselves, while this partisan sniping and false differences among the common folk serve as a very nice distraction.

I can envision the D's and R's behind close doors together laughing their asses off at us for providing such a tidy cover.

 

[Smoblikat]

I refuse to align myself with any political party, although my leanings most closely match those of the libertarian party. When people box themselves into a particular ideological path or team they begin to stop looking at that path or team critically and simply take sides, adopt, and defend points of view simply for the sake of the team and ignore, criticize, and malign any actions or viewpoints of the other team.

It's primitive, animal behavior in my opinion.

That doesnt happen in the libertarian party.

 

[Jaskalas]

Until the GOP aborts big government Neocons, they're all just one big mistake. They're enabling the Dems in many anti-conservative policies.

 

[DominionSeraph]

"No, my Republican/conservative team never makes mistakes"

Gotta agree with this one. My unthinking, racist side says, "Fuck the world -- let it crash and burn. As long as we whites come out on top of the charred remains, that's a victory!" And the Republican party is focused on nothing else.

 

[Munky]

Mistakes? No, both sides have a certain agenda and strategy, which they are willing to pursue even if overall it comes to the detriment of the people. That's even worse than mistakes.

 

[piasabird]

No one in politics is perfect they all make mistakes. Not only that when confronted with office as president there will be things that happen like the mortgage crisis the lack of jobs, wars and outside factors that will force the president to choose some kind of action to deal with the situation. Every president has a crisis to deal with. It is how they deal with it that determines what historians will say about a president's time in office.

It definitely seems like President O'Bamma is doing nothing to deal with his problems and the country's problems but spend more and more and more and more money. O'Bamma is a complete failure. He seems like he does not have any plan other than doing favorable things for Muslims. Is this guy even an American? He cant even make a statement on current affairs without his speechwriters taking 4 days to prepare a statement. Doesn't O'Bammah have a brain of his own?

It is not like I thought Bush did that great of a job, but at least he submitted a budget.

 

[zsdersw]

If you don't care if you are wrong what fucking business do you have questioning partisans if they think they can be wrong. You're fucking sure you know what you are talking about and you also happen to be full of shit.

Democrats and Republicans can be right and wrong depending, but the partisan modern Republican is insane and can't be talked out of it, only becoming more deeply entrenched if such an attempt is made, whereas liberals, even perhaps insane ones, can be brought around by reason, relatively and comparitively speaking. Partisanship is an evolutionary advantage when there is external threat, and a monstrosity when there isn't. And there isn't a threat which is why Republican partisanship must not be tolerated. Your stupid self-imposed and delusional neutrality and false equivocating, is dangerous apathy. And I don't care if you have a problem with these facts.

Your post would be interesting if it wasn't so soporific.

 

[zsdersw]

Well, I would agree if you mean that the Parties are dangerous. If you're saying that just being a conservative or liberal is also dangerous... then I don't know what you're on about.

Yes, the parties are dangerous. They arrange our varied opinions and beliefs into two false choices with platforms that each contain internal contradictions. They also have a duopoly on our politics... which is itself quite dangerous.

And what is your answer if none meet he rigors of your standards? Do you choose to abstain from the process?

In 2008 and, very likely, in 2012 I will be writing in my choice for president. I do vote in state/local races, though... no matter what.

 

[soulcougher73]

Sorry no option for my team..oh wait i dont have one. But yes i can admit both of those 2 sides make a lot of mistakes.

 

[Anarchist420]

The poll sounds like something I would think of and then act on.

My answer to the OP's question is as follows:

I don't like any political party because they are created by men and the latter come and go at a fast rate... too fast of a rate for any political party to be good. Men are 50% rational and their creations are 50% rational at best.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

In the poll, the "/" means "or".

Plus, if you're a liberal you tend to vote Democratic. If you're a conservative you tend to vote Republican.

No, and yes.

The Democratic Party is conservative, just less so.

 

[thraashman]

No, and yes.

The Democratic Party is conservative, just less so.

It's a real problem. The Democratic party is probably about as conservative as the 80's GOP was. However the current GOP has gone so far to the right that they call the politics they once held "socialism". It's a very dangerous thing. I would call myself far moderate liberal, meaning I'm not far left but I'm in between far left and moderate. The entirety of the Democratic party is to the right of me. My parents who have been Republican voters their entire lives have started voting Democrat in the past few elections because it aligns better with their views now.

 

[thraashman]

My Republican "team" makes mistakes, fuck-ups and clueless errors almost every damn day, just not as clueless or damaging as their Democrat counterparts.

Ok then, what in your opinion is the biggest mistake the Republican party has made in the past decade, and what's the biggest mistake the Democratic party has made in the past decade? Now I want verifiable and legitimate mistakes, not some perceived bullshit that is complete opinion with no facts to back it up.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes, the parties are dangerous. They arrange our varied opinions and beliefs into two false choices with platforms that each contain internal contradictions. They also have a duopoly on our politics... which is itself quite dangerous.



In 2008 and, very likely, in 2012 I will be writing in my choice for president. I do vote in state/local races, though... no matter what.

"I'm going to stab myself in the eye. I will have nothing to do with evil so I'm going to piss on the floor and pout about my choices. Which kind of thinking is amenable to reason, liberal or conservative. Which side is most insane."

Which party hearkens back to a day when chaining you and dragging you to death is OK. You need a few more sophomoric people up there in your Ivory Tower to save you from the Ax folk who will chop it down. Get the f real.

 

[Moonbeam]

The poll sounds like something I would think of and then act on.

My answer to the OP's question is as follows:

I don't like any political party because they are created by men and the latter come and go at a fast rate... too fast of a rate for any political party to be good. Men are 50% rational and their creations are 50% rational at best.

Remember what Hay told you? Think through what you say? When will there be anything but men and parties running government? We have to do the best we can and we have to decide what the best is. Nobody is going to do it for us until the AI arrive.