A taste of what you fans of R. Paul want for the country

[fskimospy]

You and others problems is you keep thinking of the USA as one giant whole, it isn't. It's many different divided parts, 50 of them to be exact. States need to be able to compete against each other, if our competition is internal, our federal government can use proper tariffs or whatever to force other nations to compete against the states in side the USA. It would benefit us all. Lincoln killed the union by making it seem like it can never be disband, by making us think of ourselves as one giant entity, instead of many states which work together for a common good. It's sad. Federalists are fucking miserable.

Yeah man, Lincoln killed the Union so badly that we went on to be the most powerful country the world has ever seen, with a standard of living that is the envy of nearly the entire world. (outside of a few European countries)

DAMN YOU, LINCOLN.

 

[sunzt]

You and others problems is you keep thinking of the USA as one giant whole, it isn't. It's many different divided parts, 50 of them to be exact. States need to be able to compete against each other, if our competition is internal, our federal government can use proper tariffs or whatever to force other nations to compete against the states in side the USA. It would benefit us all. Lincoln killed the union by making it seem like it can never be disband, by making us think of ourselves as one giant entity, instead of many states which work together for a common good. It's sad. Federalists are fucking miserable.

Yeah, states need to compete with each other on 50 different gas pipe regulations? wtf?

" Lincoln killed the union by making it seem like it can never be disband,"

lol... yeah that would have been a great result

 

[ElFenix]

That is the point of my question. If they are for it, why do they need the federal govt to tell them to do it? If you like brocoli why do you need mommy to tell you to eat it?

probably want the rest of the pipeline companies to also have to do it.

 

[momeNt]

Single Payer Healthcare is generally considered to be the most efficient type of healthcare model (unless you're a stupid as fuck libertarian or republican), but how on earth is it efficient if 50 states have their own single payer healthcare plan (or not have one)? Or on the flipside, you suggesting the states maybe banding together to create a single payer system they'd all buy into, that would be impossible to get even half the states to do that. It's far more efficient for the federal government to have a national single payer plan.

Okay let me try this post one step up see if it works.

Single Payer Healthcare is generally considered to be the most efficient type of healthcare model (unless you're a stupid as fuck libertarian or republican), but how on earth is it efficient if 195 countries have their own single payer healthcare plan (or not have one)? Or on the flipside, you suggesting the countries maybe banding together to create a single payer system they'd all buy into, that would be impossible to get even half the countries to do that. It's far more efficient for the United Nations to have a worldwide single payer plan.

Yea it worked pretty well. Screwing state sovereignty is just but a tiny step towards hopefully screwing country sovereignty eventually as well. We are all humans after all, why do we need to be American, Chinese, Iraqi, Mexican, etc.

 

[BikerGeek]

Who's more dangerous, big government or big corporations?

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

 

[Ausm]

Okay let me try this post one step up see if it works.

Single Payer Healthcare is generally considered to be the most efficient type of healthcare model (unless you're a stupid as fuck libertarian or republican), but how on earth is it efficient if 195 countries have their own single payer healthcare plan (or not have one)? Or on the flipside, you suggesting the countries maybe banding together to create a single payer system they'd all buy into, that would be impossible to get even half the countries to do that. It's far more efficient for the United Nations to have a worldwide single payer plan.

Yea it worked pretty well. Screwing state sovereignty is just but a tiny step towards hopefully screwing country sovereignty eventually as well. We are all humans after all, why do we need to be American, Chinese, Iraqi, Mexican, etc.

It's bad because it is SOCIALISM DAMN IT!!

 

[momeNt]

It's bad because it is SOCIALISM DAMN IT!!

What's bad? I just proved universal healthcare is most efficient at a worldwide level over country level. You should be happy. Now not just your neighboring states have the healthcare they need, but neighboring countries as well by redistributing the wealth of countries.

 

[bfdd]

lincoln killed the concept of the union. you idiots can say whatever you like about lincoln, but denying that is just flat out wrong. he took away the right of states to leave the union, with the exception of Texas which still has it in their constitution. This effectively killed the union because now states are "slaves" to the fed. the bigger the fed has got, the worse the American people have had it. Huge fed led to the civil war, killed a ton of people.

 

[senseamp]

Because they don't want to use one standard or set of safety measures, only to have the federal regulators come in after the fact and tell them that another method is needed and they need to redo everything.

They want the government to save them from themselves.

 

[fskimospy]

lincoln killed the concept of the union. you idiots can say whatever you like about lincoln, but denying that is just flat out wrong. he took away the right of states to leave the union, with the exception of Texas which still has it in their constitution. This effectively killed the union because now states are "slaves" to the fed. the bigger the fed has got, the worse the American people have had it. Huge fed led to the civil war, killed a ton of people.

He took away the ability of all states to leave the union. In case you have forgotten, Texas seceded with the rest of the Confederacy in the Civil War and got their asses handed to them with all the rest.

The growth of the federal government since the 1930's has coincided with one of the largest and longest eras of increasing prosperity that our country has ever seen. There are tons of other factors in play there of course, but it is simply impossible to say that 'the bigger the fed has gotten the worse the people have had it'.

 

[ComradeBeck]

'the bigger the fed has gotten the worse the people have had it'.

Problem is the very cornerstone of so called "conservatism" is the fallacy of "big gubbermunt iz bad!" this is idiotic thinking and more sour grapes from the traitorous fans of the rebellion states, not sound economics.

This is why conservatism has pretty much one goal, to gut the whole system to get back at those who would not let them continue to carry on the aristocracy they feel entitled to as being the white ruling class for so long.

Shame I didn't pack my tiny violin for them.

 

[bfdd]

Problem is the very cornerstone of so called "conservatism" is the fallacy of "big gubbermunt iz bad!" this is idiotic thinking and more sour grapes from the traitorous fans of the rebellion states, not sound economics.

This is why conservatism has pretty much one goal, to gut the whole system to get back at those who would not let them continue to carry on the aristocracy they feel entitled to as being the white ruling class for so long.

Shame I didn't pack my tiny violin for them.

Big government tends to tell us how we should live our lives because it wants to try to take care of us and I don't like that(duh prohibition). Just like I don't like Christians telling me how to live my life or any other group of people. Groups of people suck(parties), they are the worst fucking thing ever and you basically want a bigger group of people to have more power. That doesn't fly with me or anyone on a personal level, but as soon as you talk about government OMG!!! WE NEED THEM TO SAVE ME! To many idiots waiting for their Captain Save-A-Hoe.

LOLOLOL @ your conservatism shit. You're a goddamn retard. You're throwing around labels and shit like they mean something, thinking you're some how enlightened by talking down about it. You're just a moron playing their game, no better than the morons you're talking shit on. Also, just look at you being all full of assumptions thinking you got shit figured out. You talk shit about people wanting their "ruling class in place" you just want to change their ruling class with your own. Fuck you.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yeah man, Lincoln killed the Union so badly that we went on to be the most powerful country the world has ever seen, with a standard of living that is the envy of nearly the entire world. (outside of a few European countries)

DAMN YOU, LINCOLN.

Pure, comedic entertainment.

 

[bfdd]

The States had the right to leave the Union. Lincoln said no and effectively killed the union by making it forced vs choice. But whatever believe whatever you like.


one of the funny things to me is you dumbshits some how think I support the South and the Confederacy because I come out against Lincoln and his actions. morons.

 

[Ausm]

Big government tends to tell us how we should live our lives because it wants to try to take care of us and I don't like that(duh prohibition). Just like I don't like Christians telling me how to live my life or any other group of people. Groups of people suck(parties), they are the worst fucking thing ever and you basically want a bigger group of people to have more power. That doesn't fly with me or anyone on a personal level, but as soon as you talk about government OMG!!! WE NEED THEM TO SAVE ME! To many idiots waiting for their Captain Save-A-Hoe.

What would you consider the Pro-life people on the right who want to make it harder and harder to have a legal abortion. In fact in some states woman have to register so the State Government can try to talk people out of having one. Government having their hands up every woman's vagina isn't my idea of small Government and it is a prime example of having Government run your life due to some people beliefs.

 

[bfdd]

What would you consider the Pro-life people on the right who want to make it harder and harder to have a legal abortion. In fact in some states woman have to register so the State Government can try to talk people out of having one. Government having their hands up every woman's vagina isn't my idea of small Government and it is a prime example of having Government run your life due to some people beliefs.

I think that shit is retarded? While I am not a big fan of abortion, but whatever her body she can do whatever she likes.

Ausm, have you read my sig? Do you read any of my posts? I do not identify with any ideology besides my own. I do not label myself these other fucking stupid labels that get tossed around. My parents gave me a name and I am who I am.

 

[ComradeBeck]

Big government tends to tell us how we should live our lives because it wants to try to take care of us and I don't like that(duh prohibition). Just like I don't like Christians telling me how to live my life or any other group of people. Groups of people suck(parties), they are the worst fucking thing ever and you basically want a bigger group of people to have more power. That doesn't fly with me or anyone on a personal level, but as soon as you talk about government OMG!!! WE NEED THEM TO SAVE ME! To many idiots waiting for their Captain Save-A-Hoe.

Ever got checked for paranoid schizophrenia? Or are you just another childish narcissist cultural sociopath "conservative" who thinks the world owes them a island unto himself?

Get that checked up soon. If you have any real life friends they would appreciate it I am sure.

You guys mental hygiene is stinking up western civilization and normal people gotta live around your self-entitled filth, just sayin.

 

[Ausm]

I think that shit is retarded? While I am not a big fan of abortion, but whatever her body she can do whatever she likes.

Ausm, have you read my sig? Do you read any of my posts? I do not identify with any ideology besides my own. I do not label myself these other fucking stupid labels that get tossed around. My parents gave me a name and I am who I am.

Just checking it's amazing how much common ground we have

 

[bfdd]

Ever got checked for paranoid schizophrenia? Or are you just another childish narcissist cultural sociopath "conservative" who thinks the world owes them a island unto himself?

Get that checked up soon. If you have any real life friends they would appreciate it I am sure.

hm? I'd love to have my own island, but sadly it's expensive and the amount of work required to get to that point I couldn't be fucked to do. unlike most the rest of you, I'm quite secure in my place in the world. Also, yes most of my friends and coworkers know of my stances on these things. And? I can like individuals plenty, it's parties and groups that are the issue. Maybe you should read George Washington's farewell essay.

 

[ComradeBeck]

hm? I'd love to have my own island, but sadly it's expensive and the amount of work required to get to that point I couldn't be fucked to do. unlike most the rest of you, I'm quite secure in my place in the world. Also, yes most of my friends and coworkers know of my stances on these things. And? I can like individuals plenty, it's parties and groups that are the issue. Maybe you should read George Washington's farewell essay.

Use your brains for once, no liberal is asking the government to do shit for them, hell any liberal I know distrusts all power to some degree or another.

How is it that you guys suspend all common sense about fellow Americans when it comes to your talk radio soap operas? Oh yeah, you guys are a bunch of drama queens with no life.

 

[CitizenKain]

Huge fed led to the civil war, killed a ton of people.

Who let the dumb child in? Any more exceprts from "My First Big Book of Libertarian Ideas"?

 

[ComradeBeck]

Trying to talk reality with a conservative nowadays is like trying to explain Batboy is not real to the little old lady who reads the enquirer daily.

You know whats funny? That is exactly how these big establishment conservative media con artists got their start. And look at all the morons lining up in a row to eat the shit up.

 

[bfdd]

Who let the dumb child in? Any more exceprts from "My First Big Book of Libertarian Ideas"?

States had the right to leave the Union. I'm sorry you disagree with that, but that was the case. Lincoln went against the entire premise of our foundation by going to war. I don't agree with the South, but what Lincoln did was pretty devastating to us. It's not like it can be undone, so don't think I'm asking for that. This is just my opinion on a point in history. Also, I'm not a Libertarian, nor am I a conservative. Only a tool would identify with such labels.

 

[ComradeBeck]

Lincoln went against the entire premise of our foundation by going to war.

Incorrect:
He went to war because a bunch of slave owning terrorists started shelling a United States Military Base..on our home soil killing our soldiers. Your history reminds me of a holocaust denier.

100% justified, My only beef is that Sherman should not have stopped until the south was razed/burned to the ground. He let the traitors off far too easy.

 

[bfdd]

Incorrect:
He went to war because a bunch of traitors started shelling a United States Military Base..on our home soil killing our soldiers. Your history reminds me of a holocaust denier.

huh? because the Union refused to leave their territory. Fort Sumter, maybe you should read up on a little history. Please don't compare me to a holocaust denier just because your grasp of history is lacking.