A story relating to Ireland's abortion ban

[mikeymikec]

Abortion was mentioned in another P&N thread and I didn't want to de-rail it further, so I thought I'd start another thread.

One mother's story:
https://twitter.com/InHerIrishShoes/status/998280875564466177

TLDR: Mother pregnant with twins. Shit happens with the pregnancy, neither twin stands any chance of survival and doctors knew it but the law in Ireland means they can't abort unless the mother's life is in danger, so they have to wait until her life is actually in danger (through her being poisoned by decomposing fetus and placenta) before they can do their jobs. So not only is the grief of losing the kids she wanted stretched out by another week, she has to wait until they're poisoning her and threatening her life, which was completely expected.

 

[HomerJS]

Fundy heaven

 

[Paratus]

Abortion was mentioned in another P&N thread and I didn't want to de-rail it further, so I thought I'd start another thread.

One mother's story:
https://twitter.com/InHerIrishShoes/status/998280875564466177

TLDR: Mother pregnant with twins. Shit happens with the pregnancy, neither twin stands any chance of survival and doctors knew it but the law in Ireland means they can't abort unless the mother's life is in danger, so they have to wait until her life is actually in danger (through her being poisoned by decomposing fetus and placenta) before they can do their jobs. So not only is the grief of losing the kids she wanted stretched out by another week, she has to wait until they're poisoning her and threatening her life, which was completely expected.

It happens here too. I seem to remember a story about a woman who’s IUD failed. Her state had a mandatory waiting period so she had to go home and wait. While waiting a major blizzard hit and the clinic ended up closed for a few more days.

In that time she developed abdominal pain and major bleeding. When she went to the emergency room the hospital would not perform the abortion unless her life was in danger so they kept her there, measuring the amount of blood loss she had to see if it became life threatening.

But you know it’s for a good cause. It’s so religious people who don’t use contraceptives and will allow many more fetuses to die than this woman with an IUD can feel self righteous about protecting the unborn in others. And of course to get conservatives elected. What’s a weeks worth of pain and bleeding out compared to that. /s

 

[dank69]

Serves her right for not sticking to molesting little boys like a good Catholic.

 

[sdifox]

I hope they manage to revoke the anti-abortion law this Friday.

 

[fskimospy]

I may have mentioned this before but my grandmother was a devout Catholic that followed the church on everything except for abortion/birth control. She was a nurse in the West Village during the 1930's and she saw the horrors that came from criminalized abortion she was a huge supporter of reproductive rights from that point forward. I wish people who wanted to criminalize abortion today would take some time and talk to those who saw the consequences of their preferred policy in the past. It might make them think twice.

 

[Thebobo]

Dear god please end all religions.

 

[realibrad]

Dear god please end all religions.

Nice.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Interesting. I expected a much closer vote than what very early polling information seems to indicate.

First exit poll suggests Ireland has voted to relax abortion laws

"An early exit poll has suggested that Ireland has voted to liberalise some of the world’s most restrictive abortion laws by a landslide margin.

The Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI exit poll on Friday suggested that voters had backed the change by a margin of 68% to 32%.

Turnout could be one of the highest for a referendum, national broadcaster RTE reported, potentially topping the 61% who backed same-sex marriage by a large margin in 2015. Voters queued outside polling stations throughout the day in the blistering sunshine."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/25/ireland-votes-to-relax-abortion-laws

 

[Victorian Gray]

And polls continue to show the change side winning by an overwhelming margin.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44241521

 

[Fenixgoon]

it's as if people know there is a vast body of knowledge indicating that real sex education and access to contraception actually reduce the number of abortions overall while having legal abortions makes them safe and available to those in need :hmm:

 

[kage69]

I had my money on the repeal happening. Pretty young population, corrupt catholic church losing influence, the same sex marriage act, then having an openly gay taoiseach in office.

Congrats women of Ireland. I think/hope we're going to see a similar act of overwhelming opinion come November over here.

 

[cytg111]

She shoulda prayed more. Hore gets what hore deserves.

 

[HomerJS]

Its official and by a landslide
Ireland ends abortion ban

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ansforms-country/ar-AAxOk0G?OCID=ansmsnnews11
With all the Trump nonsense this story slipped way below the radar

 

[Commodus]

Can't help but be happy. The horror stories you hear from Irish women about getting necessary abortions, let alone elective ones, made it unimaginable that the 8th Amendment would carry on.

Now if only we could get this same kind of overwhelming support in the US (more than there is, at least). Imagine if Republicans couldn't count on anti-choice scare tactics -- they'd lose a significant chunk of their platform.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Reaction to the win


A ‘Yes’ car in Dublin.

Photograph: Max Rossi/Reuters

Crowds at Dublin Castle.

Photograph: Paul Faith/AFP/Getty Images

A woman kneels in front of a mural of Savita Halappanavar in Dublin. Halappanavar – who became the symbol of the Yes campaign to repeal the eighth amendment – died, aged 32, due to complications following a septic miscarriage in Galway in 2012.

Photograph: Niall Carson/PA

More:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/g...eland-says-yes-to-abortion-reform-in-pictures

 

[Zorba]

I may have mentioned this before but my grandmother was a devout Catholic that followed the church on everything except for abortion/birth control. She was a nurse in the West Village during the 1930's and she saw the horrors that came from criminalized abortion she was a huge supporter of reproductive rights from that point forward. I wish people who wanted to criminalize abortion today would take some time and talk to those who saw the consequences of their preferred policy in the past. It might make them think twice.

You know that it has nothing to do with abortion for many pro life people, it is about punishing women for being sluts.

 

[MrSquished]

While some of the world progresses, other parts regress

 

[kage69]

While some of the world progresses, other parts regress

I just read about Arizona's new push against science and evolution in schools, how right you are.

This country regresses when we have republicans in office, I really hope Il Douche and his treasonous enablers have made that abundantly clear this time.