A statement

[Czar]

Because of this post I made yesterday I´v decided to write a statement about all this.

To begin with as most of you know I live in Iceland, a country where there is no army, cops dont have guns and people dont have guns for other than hunting. These are all things that I love to argue about with people from the US, mostly because I have my viewpoint and they have theirs viewpoint. A viewpoint neither can change and neither is right or wrong, because all in all its just a single persons viewpoint.

As with that post I made, posting pictures of the US ship that terrorist blew a hole in, that was just a post about the pictures, not about the incident. What happened is a tradegy and should never have happened.

What realy got to me is how unmature some people can be, resulting to name calling and stating that all people from Iceland are stupid, that is just realu childish. In that thread never wrote anything about what happened in Asia, just posted the pics.

One of the few people here that agrees with me on gun control is Debanshee, and because of what he thinks and that he writes his opinions here, he has also been bashed by some unmatured posters.

I surely hope that those who will reply to this will be mature enough to not start calling names.

 

[dude]

Without guns, the NRA can't live in Iceland!

Just admit it, you got boring news stories every day. We, on the other hand, get all sorts of stuff, like kids killing kids, kids killing elders, drug dealers killing about 20 people in a crossfire with someone else, etc etc.

Admit it, it's BORING!

j/k.

 

[dude]

It's not about the quality of life, it's about selling newspapers and getting ratings.

 

[Chef0083]

<< that was just a post about the pictures, not about the incident. >>


The problem is that you can't seperate the incident from the pics Czar. It's like you having a picture of the aftermath of Hiroshima and saying it's not about droping the bombs. I agree that many folks on the BB aren't mature enough to just stay out of threads they disagree with but knowing that you have to be prepared when you're posting pictures like those.



<< I surely hope that those who will reply to this will be mature enough to not start calling names. >>


Don't count on it man.... Some people just sit on edge waiting for someone to push that button and give them an excuse to go off.

10-8=2c

 

[Czar]

<< << that was just a post about the pictures, not about the incident. >>

The problem is that you can't seperate the incident from the pics Czar. It's like you having a picture of the aftermath of Hiroshima and saying it's not about droping the bombs. I agree that many folks on the BB aren't mature enough to just stay out of threads they disagree with but knowing that you have to be prepared when you're posting pictures like those. >>


It would all depend on what pictures of Hiroshima we would be talking about, I cant think of any though. But like these pictures, that is something that you dont see every day, a big ship with another big ship on top of it.


<< << I surely hope that those who will reply to this will be mature enough to not start calling names. >>

Don't count on it man.... Some people just sit on edge waiting for someone to push that button and give them an excuse to go off. >>


Oh yes, I´v noticed that to, but they are just a part of this forum

 

[Chef0083]

<< It would all depend on what pictures of Hiroshima we would be talking about, I cant think of any though. But like these pictures, that is something that you dont see every day, a big ship with another big ship on top of it. >>


True, what I meant by that was you can't expect people to disasociate(sp?) the act from the result. Especailly since it happend so recently. I agree that those pictures are amazing but if you just say they are &quot;cool&quot; some people are going to take that the wrong way which will lead them to act a fool.

 

[Ulfwald]

czar, while I agree it is &quot;cool&quot; that a ship of that size can be piggybacked on another ship and carried home for repairs, You worded your post in an incorrect manner. &quot;Nice hole &quot; is not my idea of the best way to post your opinion. Now if you had said something such as &quot;Hey, nice way to get it home&quot;, or &quot;Cool, I did not know that they could do that.&quot; Then maybe you would have not been flamed, insulted, and basically called a moron.

Your pics were quite interesting, and the technology that makes such a thing possible is also &quot;cool&quot; as you put it. Please select your words a little more carefully, and you might not get flamed.

 

[dude]

I agree. the wording is just plain wrong. I still think you should change it. I don't understand why you won't, but WILL post another topic about it.

 

[Czar]

ulfwald

Yes I agree, it was not that well put, but so often we write before we think, this forum is a living example of that, sadly.

 

[Czar]

dude

Basicly I have been asleep since then and busy working.

 

[dude]

Ok, thanks. No harm meant, just wasn't very wise choice of words at the time.

 

[snow patrol]

I remember a few months ago (It might not have been on this forum, I can't recall), someone posted a picture of the Nuclear mushroom cloud that killed however many thousands of people in Hiroshima. Strange how everyone thought that mushroom cloud was so 'cool', not to mention the additional pictures of a totally wasted city...

I agree that Czar shouldn?t have used such terminology when linking to these pictures, but I also think the people who took it upon themselves to start bashing the Icelandic race on the basis of his post are way out of order (more so than he was).

 

[kami]

<< What realy got to me is how unmature some people can be >>


It's immature and really, not unmature and realy. Those two words don't exist. Neither does &quot;I'v&quot;

anyway, I know you probably didn't mean to come off like that. But say that happened to a ship from Iceland...would you put a post up just like that? What if your uncle was blown up during the process of making that &quot;nice hole.&quot;
That's the reason people got so rowdy...even though that wasn't what you intended. There's nothing wrong with being a patriot, either. You just have to watch it with these anandtech folk

 

[Stallion]

My supervisor had the same pictures mailed to him and my reaction was the same as Czar. If I remember right I even told him how sweet that looked. Of course I was talking about the way that ship could carry the USS Cole. and ya know what ,he didn't turn around and bash me because he knew what I was talking about and I'm sure you all knew that Czar was probably talking about the Cole fitting on the ship but just because he worded something that wasn't to your likeing you felt the need to flame the guy. Well not everyone hear speaks perfect English or states everything the way we want them to so why don't you all take a heart pill and cut the guy some slack.

 

[Czar]

kami

Oh thanks, for the correction, english is not my first language.


<< anyway, I know you probably didn't mean to come off like that. But say that happened to a ship from Iceland...would you put a post up just like that? What if your uncle was blown up during the process of making that &quot;nice hole.&quot;
That's the reason people got so rowdy...even though that wasn't what you intended. There's nothing wrong with being a patriot, either. You just have to watch it with these anandtech folk >>


If it would happen here in iceland and the ship would have been moved in that way and my uncle would have died, then I have idea if I´d post them or not, only time would tell.
Yeah, it also seems that many people here are more patriotic about their guns than their country, but thats just the joy of life, many different people you meet.

Stallion

Its just so sad so many people jump to some conclusion that is in their own mind instead of stopping and thinking about it for a while.

 

[ArMs]

I guess I'll just post here what I did on the other forum:

<<Here's an idea, how about everybody stops b*tching about what e said, the pics are cool, and if you take the time to think about it, you know it's true. He said nothing about the incident being cool or what happened being cool. But it is interesting when you see a destroyer riding piggy back on another ship. Just leave the guy alone.>>

 

[DABANSHEE]

&quot;One of the few people here that agrees with me on gun control is Debanshee, and because of what he thinks and that he writes his opinions here, he has also been bashed by some unmatured posters.&quot;

Actually I don't agree with you on gun control Czar.

In someways I do though. I agree, that most people who keep guns for self defence, do it mainly because they have tickets on themselves &amp; there own self importance &amp; are thus paranoid they need a gun for self defence. When really they are only at risk from other people, who have guns for self defence too. Really about the only people who truelly need firearms for seld defence are people in law enforment/security &amp; drug dealers. Afterall they are about the only people who are at risk of geting held up regully - most of the drug dealers I know have been held up at least once, useally by toecutters (Oz talk for standover merchants) or by crooked police. As far as everyday people are concerned the odds are like about 1000 to 1 that they'l be held up just once (let alone more that that) in their lifetime.

Because the fact is most crminals don't actually own firearms. Just do a survey of people who have decent rap sheets - the vast majority are the type of people, that if ever they came a cross a firearm, they'd sell it before the day is out, just so they could get an extra hit. Really, even the vast majority of people who break into houses, have no intent in comiting actual bodily harm on residents, they just want to grab your VCR (&amp; any money or jewellery lying arround) to flog for drug money. If you were actually at home when one of these scrotes climbed through your window, all you'd have to do is turn on your bedside light &amp; they be out the door &amp; running down the street as far as their abused bodies will take 'em.

Just go hang arround a coroners court for a few days &amp; you'd realise that the vast majority of firearm incidents don't even involve 'recidivist criminals' (I wouldn't describe someone with 1 or 2 charges over a lifetime, as a 'criminal'). They actually involve average normal everyday people &amp; are either accidents or impulsive/compulsive acts such as domestics &amp; what not cause by drunkenous, simple jealousy or just by someone losing it. Hence we have that much maligned statistic, that says that if an American keeps a gun for self defence its 23 times more like that gun will kill a friend or relative, that it will ever be needed to deter a intruder (even if its really only half that its still an atrocious statistic)

However I'm against gun control, because 1, I have an old .22 in the back of the cupboard; 2, I'm planning on buying an old revolver a mate of mine is selling (even though handguns &amp; banned in NSW &amp; its illegal to keep firearms for self defence, one does not need a license to buy a firearm made before 1901 that fires ammunition that's not normally commercially avaliable); &amp; 3, the world is vastly over populated, so the more silly Americans that kill each other, the better the enviroment will be in the future. Anyway its like evolution in action, aye.

 

[etech]

Czar
&quot;Nice hole &quot;

I still consider that a thoughtless statement. I see that comment has been deleted, I have not seen an explanation for what you meant by it.

I'm sure gun control has some relevance to that, I'm just not sure what it is.

 

[DABANSHEE]

Ah, Etech, maybe you should read Czar's post, in it he said I agree with him on gun control.

 

[sweetrobin]

the remark nice hole was very insensitive ... that hole resulted in the death of 17 people and the injury of 36 ... there is nothing nice about it ... it was horrible, a terrifying experience for all I'm sure ... just beglad you only said it to anandtech .. had you accidently made that statement infront of a family member of the USS Cole bombing victims .. I have a feeling you would have gotten alot more than alot of name calling ...(probably some broken bones) having a cousin(by marriage but still a good friend) leaving on one of those ships in the next week or so and he will be on over in about the same area for six months ... I dont find anything nice about that hole ... I find it scary ... and I try to imagine how my cousin would tell her little girl whos a year and half old that daddy isnt coming home ... and I think of the devistating effect it would have on the two of them had it been his ship rather than the USS Cole...