A Spooky What If

GasX

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What if Bush had done something about the security information available prior to September 11?

From here:

In a parallel universe called 'what if.'
Kathleen Parker

NEW YORK - President-elect John F. Kerry's rise to the nation's highest office came as little surprise following almost four years of remonstrations against President George W. Bush for his bizarre attack on the defenseless people of Afghanistan.

Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, was the right man for a nation outraged by the Bush administration's pre-emptive war, which, it now seems clear, was based on highly speculative intelligence that Saudi Arabian-born terrorist Osama bin Laden was planning an attack on the United States.

Absent absolute proof of such an imminent attack, Bush's Sept. 10 bombing of Afghanistan earned him international condemnation and, in all likelihood, an indictment in coming weeks. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, appearing last night on "Larry King Live," said the United Nations' International Criminal Tribunal likely would bring charges of genocide against Bush.

Bush also faces federal charges at home for his baseless arrest of 19 foreign nationals, many of them native Saudis, whose "crime" was attending American flight schools. The Council on American-Islamic Relations has joined the American Civil Liberties Union in a joint suit against both Bush and former Attorney General John Ashcroft, charging racial profiling, unlawful arrest and illegal search and seizure.

Kerry's campaign mantra - "You go to war because you have to, not because you want to" - clearly resonated with Americans as they tried to make sense of Bush's Sept. 10 attack on Afghanistan. Neither the president, nor national security adviser Condoleezza Rice convincingly defended their actions during the recent "9-10 Commission" hearings, which Congress ordered in response to public outcry.

The commission's purpose was to try to determine what compelled the president to launch a war against Afghanistan. What kind of intelligence suggested that such an act was justified?

The main target of the attack was bin Laden, friend to Afghanistan's brutal Taliban regime, as well as al-Qaida training camps in that war-ravaged nation. Al-Qaida, an international terrorist network, has been blamed for numerous attacks on U.S. interests, including the USS Cole bombing, which killed 17 sailors.

Even though Bush's military campaign was successful in ending the oppressive Taliban regime, bin Laden apparently escaped and al-Qaida continues to flourish.

Some intelligence sources speculate that bin Laden's operatives may be trying to secure weapons of mass destruction from Iraq's Saddam Hussein. Even though Saddam continues to send money to the families of Palestinian terrorists and is believed to have programs for developing WMD, Kerry says he is committed to containing Saddam through continued sanctions and the U.N. oil-for-food program.

In any case, experts say that intelligence about Saddam's WMD program is just as speculative as was the intelligence that prompted Bush to attack Afghanistan. The man credited with sounding the alarm on bin Laden and al-Qaida was Richard Clarke, a counterterrorism expert who has served four presidents, including Ronald Reagan, George H. Bush and William Jefferson Clinton.

In a Jan. 25 memo to Rice, for instance, Clarke urged immediate attention to several items of national security interest: the Northern Alliance, covert aid, a significant new '02 budget authority to help fight al-Qaida and a response to the USS Cole.

At Rice's and Clarke's urging, Bush called a meeting of principals and, after "connecting the dots," decided to wage war against Afghanistan. What did the dots say? Not much, in retrospect. Apparently, the president decided to bomb a benign country on the basis of "chatter" that hinted at "something big."

With no other details on the "big," and weaving together random bits of information from a variety of questionable sources, Bush and company decided that 19 fundamentalist Muslim fanatics would fly airplanes into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon on 9-11.

Under questioning by the "9-10 Commission," Clarke denied that his memo was anything more than a historical overview with a "set of ideas and a paper, mostly." The bipartisan commission concluded, therefore, that Bush's "dot-connecting" had destroyed American credibility and subjected the United States to increasing hostility in the Arab-Muslim world.

Last week, Saddam Hussein and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat joined French and German leaders in condemning Bush and urging the American voters to cast their ballots for regime change in America. President Kerry was the clear response to that call.

In a flourish of irony and the spirit of bon vivant for which the new president is widely known, Kerry gave his acceptance speech from Windows on the World, the elegant restaurant atop the World Trade Center's Tower One.


 
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Originally posted by: Mwilding

Last week, Saddam Hussein and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat joined French and German leaders in condemning Bush and urging the American voters to cast their ballots for regime change in America. President Kerry was the clear response to that call.

VE-RY NICE :)
 

myusername

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Pffft.

The abuses of the taliban were known, and every civilized country was itching to get rid of them. Despite the fact that the "true" reason Bush wanted in was pipeline access, he certainly could have spun it as an extension of the drug war, or as a humanitarian mission.

On the other hand, I don't think we would be applauding the invasion of Iraq, which also has nothing to do with 9/11, nor the Patriot Act, which does very little to prevent similar future events.

The fact that 9/11 ocurred doesn't change the fact that Bush is a power(both political power and energy from oil) hungry warmonger.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: myusername
Pffft.

The abuses of the taliban were known, and every civilized country was itching to get rid of them. Despite the fact that the "true" reason Bush wanted in was pipeline access, he certainly could have spun it as an extension of the drug war, or as a humanitarian mission.

On the other hand, I don't think we would be applauding the invasion of Iraq, which also has nothing to do with 9/11, nor the Patriot Act, which does very little to prevent similar future events.

The fact that 9/11 ocurred doesn't change the fact that Bush is a power(both political power and energy from oil) hungry warmonger.
Bush isn't a Power Hungry War Monger, just easily manipulated by some of those who are! If he would have just been honest with the American Public regarding his intentions on invading Iraq in the first place he wouldn't be up to his neck in sh!t because the American Public would have prevented him from executing his ill conceived Excellent Adventure into Iraq!
 

Bowmaster

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WTF??? I'm a liberal, but this is pure-grade horse doodie!
"NEW YORK - President-elect John F. Kerry's rise to the nation's highest office came as little surprise following almost
four years of remonstrations against President George W. Bush for his bizarre attack on the defenseless people of
Afghanistan."

four years of remonstrations? By who? I know of NO ONE who thinks we shouldn't have taken the taliban out of Afghanistan.

bizarre? it's this article that is bizzare.

defenseless? I thought we were very restrained in attacking the Taliban - we hurt very few innocent citizens.

This article really is from a parallel dimension.


 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Bowmaster
WTF??? I'm a liberal, but this is pure-grade horse doodie!
"NEW YORK - President-elect John F. Kerry's rise to the nation's highest office came as little surprise following almost
four years of remonstrations against President George W. Bush for his bizarre attack on the defenseless people of
Afghanistan."

four years of remonstrations? By who? I know of NO ONE who thinks we shouldn't have taken the taliban out of Afghanistan.

bizarre? it's this article that is bizzare.

defenseless? I thought we were very restrained in attacking the Taliban - we hurt very few innocent citizens.

This article really is from a parallel dimension.
Yeah Bush had his finest hour when he took out the Taliban. I was actually extremely proud of his leadership back then!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Yeah Bush had his finest hour when he took out the Taliban. I was actually extremely proud of his leadership back then!

Time to check the archives :)
Please do. You will also see that I supported the invasion of Iraq when I was led to believe by the Dub that there were stockpiles of WMDs, alleged ties to Al Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks and an alleged advanced Nuclear Weapons Program in Iraq.
How fickle I become when I realize that I was decieved!
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: Bowmaster
WTF??? I'm a liberal, but this is pure-grade horse doodie!
"NEW YORK - President-elect John F. Kerry's rise to the nation's highest office came as little surprise following almost
four years of remonstrations against President George W. Bush for his bizarre attack on the defenseless people of
Afghanistan."

four years of remonstrations? By who? I know of NO ONE who thinks we shouldn't have taken the taliban out of Afghanistan.

bizarre? it's this article that is bizzare.

defenseless? I thought we were very restrained in attacking the Taliban - we hurt very few innocent citizens.

This article really is from a parallel dimension.
You ever pass a reading comprehension test?

 

etech

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: myusername
Pffft.

The abuses of the taliban were known, and every civilized country was itching to get rid of them. Despite the fact that the "true" reason Bush wanted in was pipeline access, he certainly could have spun it as an extension of the drug war, or as a humanitarian mission.

On the other hand, I don't think we would be applauding the invasion of Iraq, which also has nothing to do with 9/11, nor the Patriot Act, which does very little to prevent similar future events.

The fact that 9/11 ocurred doesn't change the fact that Bush is a power(both political power and energy from oil) hungry warmonger.


Are people still spreading that old pipeline canard?

You've been brainwashed very well my friend.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: myusername
Pffft.

The abuses of the taliban were known, and every civilized country was itching to get rid of them. Despite the fact that the "true" reason Bush wanted in was pipeline access, he certainly could have spun it as an extension of the drug war, or as a humanitarian mission.

On the other hand, I don't think we would be applauding the invasion of Iraq, which also has nothing to do with 9/11, nor the Patriot Act, which does very little to prevent similar future events.

The fact that 9/11 ocurred doesn't change the fact that Bush is a power(both political power and energy from oil) hungry warmonger.


Are people still spreading that old pipeline canard?

You've been brainwashed very well my friend.

And there is still no pipeline....
 

fjord

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No parallel universe is necessary--this already happened...right here on planet Earth. The question is what will be the consequences for Bush --and what should the consequences for Bush be if we are truly a democratic, moral, and ethical people.

More than 10,000 innocent civilians, dead.

NEW YORK - President-elect John F. Kerry's rise to the nation's highest office came as little surprise following almost four (2) years of remonstrations against President George W. Bush for his bizarre attack on the defenseless people of Afghanistan (Iraq).

Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, was the right man for a nation outraged by the Bush administration's pre-emptive war, which, it now seems clear, was based on highly speculative intelligence that (anyone else but) Saudi Arabian-born terrorist Osama bin Laden was somehow planning an attack on the United States.