A simply yet EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE system to prevent HI-Jack from ever happening again.

[lain]

Disign a STEEL PLATE between the pilots and the rest of the crew that can ONLY BE OPENED from
the Pilot Side.

The only other way for forced entry is blow it up/gun it down in which case renders the mission moot. (pilots dead, cockpit
destroyed)

If you can think of a way to counter it, I'd like to hear it.

Note: killing passengers/crew members will not help. Because it's worse to give up the air plane in which case they are
dead anyway.

I want to submit this to FAA.

 

[iamwiz82]

<< Disign a STEEL PLATE between the pilots and the rest of the crew that can ONLY BE OPENED from
the Pilot Side.

The only other way for forced entry is blow it up/gun it down in which case renders the mission moot. (pilots dead, cockpit
destroyed)

If you can think of a way to counter it, I'd like to hear it.

Note: killing passengers/crew members will not help. Because it's worse to give up the air plane in which case they are
dead anyway.

I want to submit this to FAA. >>




The doors can only be opened now if the pilots buzz the person in. So, its basically the same. The pilots opened the doors in those planes because they were killing the stewardesses.

 

[SinMen]

Don't fly. That's the best way. And what if the pilot suddenly has a heart attack and die?

 

[bandXtrb]

arm the stewardesses?

 

[lain]

Iamwiz:

I forgot to add that the Pilot side will have their own food/refresh tray and and urinal tube.

 

[Keego]

heh get tazered if you piss off a stewardess?

eek!

:Q

 

[iamwiz82]

the pilots had no way to know that they would be crashed into a building. A "normal" hijacking ends with most of the passengers surviving. A pilot is told to give the hijacker what he or she wants. Saving lives was most important. Thats why they got control of it.

 

[Moohooya]

Many comercial planes these days have very sophisticated autopiolts. They can fly and land a plane. Once the plane is hijacked and the piolts hijack button pressed, the plane should go onto autopiolt and there should be no way to dissable it from the plane. Then once the plane has an escort, if the FCC deems it safe, they can transmit an encrypted message to the autopiolt, or give the hijackers/piolt the key to dissable the autopiolt. This way the hijackers cannot bully themselves around on the plane and force a new destination. Only ground control will be able to program a new destination or release the plane from the autopiolt.

my 2 cents

 

[iamwiz82]

<< Many comercial planes these days have very sophisticated autopiolts. They can fly and land a plane. Once the plane is hijacked and the piolts hijack button pressed, the plane should go onto autopiolt and there should be no way to dissable it from the plane. Then once the plane has an escort, if the FCC deems it safe, they can transmit an encrypted message to the autopiolt, or give the hijackers/piolt the key to dissable the autopiolt. This way the hijackers cannot bully themselves around on the plane and force a new destination. Only ground control will be able to program a new destination or release the plane from the autopiolt.

my 2 cents >>



and then innocent lives will be lost. Think of the big picture. Crashing a hijacked plane is RARE. Getting 75% of the people off a hijacked plane is NOT RARE.

 

[Bozz]

<< Many comercial planes these days have very sophisticated autopiolts. They can fly and land a plane. Once the plane is hijacked and the piolts hijack button pressed, the plane should go onto autopiolt and there should be no way to dissable it from the plane. Then once the plane has an escort, if the FCC deems it safe, they can transmit an encrypted message to the autopiolt, or give the hijackers/piolt the key to dissable the autopiolt. This way the hijackers cannot bully themselves around on the plane and force a new destination. Only ground control will be able to program a new destination or release the plane from the autopiolt.

my 2 cents >>



You beat me to it, that is a clearly superior idea, if it's widely known then it will render hijackings useless

 

[lain]

Please KEEP discussion on TOPIC.

So one, no one has come out a way to counter my idea.

iamwiz: commerical plans CANNOT, I repleat CANNOT take off and land themselves. Weather condition, terrains, unscheduled
course to name just a FEW. It's NOT possible.

The idea is to DETER from hijacking, if you know you CANNOT get to the pilots without killing them/destroy the plan. WHAT
WOULD BE THE POINT???

 

[Czar]

A system allowing the pilots to flood the passanger area with sleeping gas.

 

[nEoTeChMaN]

Think about it......once, we're up in the air we're unsafe because there is no security. Just pilots and stewardess.

We should have security guards or better undercover security guards.

Even if the plane is on autopilot hijackers can still blow up the plane with bombs.

 

[lsd]

<< The doors can only be opened now if the pilots buzz the person in. >>


I work for a certain airline and I know it takes absolutely no force to get the cockpit door open.
That's all I'm goning to say.

 

[dman]

It was WAY too easy to hijack these planes. It was carefully thought out and implemented, but, it never should have happened. We got comfortable with our safety record of years past and ignored the warnings that this type of event was a HIGH possibility. It has always bothered me that we increase security AFTER incidents (or when we get rumors or threats of them).

I'm not blaming ourselves for this disaster, because the terrorists are still responsible BUT we COULD have prevented this trajedy.

That said, There are plenty of other ways for terrorists to cause us trouble, and would have had the airlines been more secure. I still won't feel safe with increased airport security, but, it's long overdue.

News Story about Security

 

[iamwiz82]

<<

<< The doors can only be opened now if the pilots buzz the person in. >>


I work for a certain airline and I know it takes absolutely no force to get the cockpit door open.
That's all I'm goning to say. >>



that is true, but they do have buzzers. personally, i think the doors are made of dry wall, its so thin.

 

[schdaddy]

how about armed guards dressed in civilian clothes. when the sh!t hits the fan the guards go into action!

 

[nEoTeChMaN]

That is what I said, schdaddy.

 

[Nimloth]

<< A system allowing the pilots to flood the passanger area with sleeping gas. >>



i think this is a great idea

 

[schdaddy]

nEoTeChMaN

oops... must be the best solution then

 

[C'DaleRider]

<< how about armed guards dressed in civilian clothes? >>



That was used in th e70's and 80's...program was called the Air Marshal program....armed marshals would ride random flights. The program was abandoned over a decade ago.......but is about to be revived.


The door to the flight deck is about as tough to defeat as a typical bedroom door in a house. They are flimsy excuses for a secure door. Many advocates have been pushing the FAA for a bullet-proof bulkhead and door leading to the flight deck, but alas, those darned airlines just hated the idea of more expenses.......and the FAA agreed with them.........

Now maybe the idea will become reality.

 

[slipperyslope]

Sleeping gas would not work because the terrorists will just bring gas masks on the plane.

Jim

 

[Retro2001]

There's a problem with making a stronger door to the cockpit. If you have a bulletproof door and the body of the plane experances explosive decompression then the airplane will be even more compromised because of the pressure differance between the cockpit and the body. CBS had a FAA / NTSB / Former Pilotstyle guy on late last night talking about it. He was fine with the doors but he just went off totaly on air port security. Crazy Day.

Will

 

[lsd]

<< that is true, but they do have buzzers. personally, i think the doors are made of dry wall, its so thin. >>



Not on any airplane my employer uses. There is also a way to get in the cockpit without using any force what-so-ever. But for obvious reasons I won't say how to do it.

 

[kmmatney]

I'm sure there must be a way to keep the compression equal between cockpit and passenger area, without allowing a person to get to the cockpit. Just use thick bars, offset into two walls. Like someone else said, many times a pilot opens the door when theres trouble in the back. I'd rather have 2 armed guards, then there's no immediate reason for the pilots to open the cockpit door.


I'd also like to see better screening of passengers. I am sorry to say it, but non-U.S. citizens should be screened a little bit more carefully before boarding. This won't solve the problem, but should reduce it. It's not fair, but it would make me feel safer.