A shocking act of terrorism in Israel

[fallout man]

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Palestinians: Settlers burn Kfar Yasuf mosque
Dec. 11, 2009
AP and Jpost.com staff , THE JERUSALEM POST

Palestinian officials on Friday morning claimed that radical settlers vandalized and set fire to a mosque in a Palestinian village in the West Bank.

Defense officials confirmed that assailants had vandalized the mosque, and the civil administration launched an investigation. The vandals fled the scene.

The attack took place in the village of Yasuf, south of Nablus. The assailants entered the village before dawn Friday, according to police and Munir Abushi, the Palestinian governor of the district of Salfit, where the village is located.

The perpetrators set fire to a carpet and to a library in the mosque's second floor, destroying holy books.

They also sprayed abusive statements in Hebrew on the walls and floor. Graffiti messages included "Price tag - greetings from Effi" and "We will burn the lot of you."

Settler extremists recently began to carry out attacks against Palestinians and their property in response to the government's decision to impose a ten-month moratorium on settlement construction.

They have dubbed the attacks the "price tag policy," often used to denote retaliation for government decisions which curb settlement activity.

The IDF said it views the incident "gravely" and is investigating along with the police.

After villagers discovered the damage, they briefly threw stones at IDF troops that entered Yasuf, Abushi said. He said two villagers were hurt in the skirmish.

What can I say...

Religion of peace lol lol lol lol lolllldfhaidsfjkldajfl;d

If Israel doesn't reign-in these wingnuts, then they only have themselves to blame. Ironically, the positive result of this has been the significant outrage and condemnation of the act among the Israelis, showing that despite their tolerance of apartheid government policies, a significant proportion of Israeli society have not completely lost it--just don't look at the JPost comment section on this article to find any sanity.

 

[theflyingpig]

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What can I say...

Religion of peace lol lol lol lol lolllldfhaidsfjkldajfl;d

If Israel doesn't reign-in these wingnuts, then they only have themselves to blame. Ironically, the positive result of this has been the significant outrage and condemnation of the act among the Israelis, showing that despite their tolerance of apartheid government policies, a significant proportion of Israeli society have not completely lost it--just don't look at the JPost comment section on this article to find any sanity.

Oh please. The Palestinians commit acts of terrorism all the time. Let them go at it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh please. The Palestinians commit acts of terrorism all the time. Let them go at it.

That is certainly what a pig would do.

 

[ForumMaster]

Frankly, these right wing idiots are not better then some of the terrorists that attack israel. maybe this time nobody was killed, but i wish these idiots would die.

there's enough space in israel to leave the west bank alone. it's only these idiots and out idiotic government that keeps on enabling these settlers that keeps the problem going.

The villagers didn't do anything to these illegal settlers, why should they suffer?

 

[piasabird]

Isreal has to solve the problems in Isreal. What will happen is probably some time in the future, troops from America will have to enforce the UN Treaties and Force Isreal back into its boundaries. People in Isreal want their land and everyone else's land. Then people on the other side would like to kill all the people in Isreal. I dont really think that is enforceable as long as people on both sides can stay on their side of the Land boundaries and respect each other.

The USA could say if they do not start keeping people from settling on land that does not belong to Isreal, that they will just cut off all funding. This is the only thing they will understand. I would hate to see a situation where the UN authorizes a military force to enforce a peace or kick all isreali's off of non-Isreali lands. There would still be problems with rocket attacks. If both sides dont quit this we should not support either side.

I think another key element is to get other countries to quit supporting palestinian aggression and the support of other terrorists. There must be some way to get a few of these muslim countries to quit supporting terrorism.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Isreal has to solve the problems in Isreal. What will happen is probably some time in the future, troops from America will have to enforce the UN Treaties and Force Isreal back into its boundaries. People in Isreal want their land and everyone else's land. Then people on the other side would like to kill all the people in Isreal. I dont really think that is enforceable as long as people on both sides can stay on their side of the Land boundaries and respect each other.

The USA could say if they do not start keeping people from settling on land that does not belong to Isreal, that they will just cut off all funding. This is the only thing they will understand. I would hate to see a situation where the UN authorizes a military force to enforce a peace or kick all isreali's off of non-Isreali lands. There would still be problems with rocket attacks. If both sides dont quit this we should not support either side.

I think another key element is to get other countries to quit supporting palestinian aggression and the support of other terrorists. There must be some way to get a few of these muslim countries to quit supporting terrorism.

You are delisional and actually have no clue what people in Israel want!!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Isreal has to solve the problems in Isreal. What will happen is probably some time in the future, troops from America will have to enforce the UN Treaties and Force Isreal back into its boundaries. People in Isreal want their land and everyone else's land. Then people on the other side would like to kill all the people in Isreal. I dont really think that is enforceable as long as people on both sides can stay on their side of the Land boundaries and respect each other.

The USA could say if they do not start keeping people from settling on land that does not belong to Isreal, that they will just cut off all funding. This is the only thing they will understand. I would hate to see a situation where the UN authorizes a military force to enforce a peace or kick all isreali's off of non-Isreali lands. There would still be problems with rocket attacks. If both sides dont quit this we should not support either side.

I think another key element is to get other countries to quit supporting palestinian aggression and the support of other terrorists. There must be some way to get a few of these muslim countries to quit supporting terrorism.

Well, that would probably gain worldwide support if it was ever suggested by the US, as it has been, anything what so ever that has EVER restricted Israels actions or planned actions to do what they want has been vetoed by the US so i doubt it'll ever happen.

I think the better solution is to end ALL forms of communication and aid to every nation that wants to involve itself in this and let them fight it out, we all know how that will end but at least it won't be with our support (speaking as an Englisman).

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You are delisional and actually have no clue what people in Israel want!!

I think that is quite clear to any Jew who knows anything about the last election and why it went as it went.

Take a bit more land, build some more settlements, say you'll stop after having done that for ten months and people like yourself say that everyone should be happy about it and if no one but Israel is, well that just proves that Isreal is right, no one but Israel wants peace.

I doubt anyone buys that anymore, not even the US and it's population, it's been going on the same way for 30 years and they've bought it every single time but i doubt they will this time.

 

[Genx87]

Isreal has to solve the problems in Isreal. What will happen is probably some time in the future, troops from America will have to enforce the UN Treaties and Force Isreal back into its boundaries. People in Isreal want their land and everyone else's land. Then people on the other side would like to kill all the people in Isreal. I dont really think that is enforceable as long as people on both sides can stay on their side of the Land boundaries and respect each other.

The USA could say if they do not start keeping people from settling on land that does not belong to Isreal, that they will just cut off all funding. This is the only thing they will understand. I would hate to see a situation where the UN authorizes a military force to enforce a peace or kick all isreali's off of non-Isreali lands. There would still be problems with rocket attacks. If both sides dont quit this we should not support either side.

I think another key element is to get other countries to quit supporting palestinian aggression and the support of other terrorists. There must be some way to get a few of these muslim countries to quit supporting terrorism.

if Isrealis want what you claim. Why havent they gone and taken it? There isnt a military in the region that can stop them.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

if Isrealis want what you claim. Why havent they gone and taken it? There isnt a military in the region that can stop them.

The US can only protect Israel so much, there is a lot of dispeasure among every single NATO nation except the US regarding that situation.

Instead they have taken it bit by bit, last settlements were not built all that long ago, remember?

It'll continue the same way until all land is annexed.

 

[0marTheZealot]

if Isrealis want what you claim. Why havent they gone and taken it? There isnt a military in the region that can stop them.

The Israeli military is not built for a long conflict. If something goes on longer than 6 months, chances are they'll lose.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The Israeli military is not built for a long conflict. If something goes on longer than 6 months, chances are they'll lose.

At full force, they'd win against any of their enemies, including ALL of them at the same time.

Don't kid yourself, if the plug is pulled and nothing is held back, they have superiour air force and that is all that will matter.

 

[irishScott]

At full force, they'd win against any of their enemies, including ALL of them at the same time.

Don't kid yourself, if the plug is pulled and nothing is held back, they have superiour air force and that is all that will matter.

Yeah, because occupying and maintaining control over territory 10s of times larger than your current holdings is simply a matter of air power.

 

[theflyingpig]

Yeah, because occupying and maintaining control over territory 10s of times larger than your current holdings is simply a matter of air power.

You clearly don't understand military strategy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yeah, because occupying and maintaining control over territory 10s of times larger than your current holdings is simply a matter of air power.

No, you bomb the living sheit out of it and use smaller special teams to mark new air strikes on some areas.

You don't maintain control, you just remove their chance to fight and continue to do so at every chance they have to regroup.

There is no need for any ground force besides civilian sparing targeters.

If that's not enough, Israel has nukes.

You don't need to invade the fucking territory, you just need to evaporate the enemy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You clearly don't understand military strategy.

I think it's safe to say that everybody knows that.

 

[Lemon law]

The issue is not Israeli military supremacy, no one can now deny that, the issue now and remains Israeli moral justification for their policies. We must face the facts, a just Israeli state cannot be built upon the foundation of oppression of the weak and powerless. Only terrorist win in such a situation, and is there a dimes worth of difference between the actions of stateless sponsors of terrorism and Israeli government terrorism? Except to note the latter group is the more effective look the other way effective.

We must also note that the USA has the strongest pro Israeli press, which is far less true in the rest of the world, but if Israel does not straighten up their act, no amount of a pro Israeli USA press can alter the real facts.

And right now Israel is skating in very thin ice with the US government interests, and if Israel ever loses its very pro Israeli press, they are really crusing for a brusing.

Bottom line, Israel has better rein in its settler parties ASAP or there will be a coming bloodbath Israel can only lose on the morality aspect. Once Israel loses the moral high ground, they will be toast.

 

[Ozoned]

The issue is not Israeli military supremacy, no one can now deny that, the issue now and remains Israeli moral justification for their policies. We must face the facts, a just Israeli state cannot be built upon the foundation of oppression of the weak and powerless. Only terrorist win in such a situation, and is there a dimes worth of difference between the actions of stateless sponsors of terrorism and Israeli government terrorism? Except to note the latter group is the more effective look the other way effective.

We must also note that the USA has the strongest pro Israeli press, which is far less true in the rest of the world, but if Israel does not straighten up their act, no amount of a pro Israeli USA press can alter the real facts.

And right now Israel is skating in very thin ice with the US government interests, and if Israel ever loses its very pro Israeli press, they are really crusing for a brusing.

Bottom line, Israel has better rein in its settler parties ASAP or there will be a coming bloodbath Israel can only lose on the morality aspect. Once Israel loses the moral high ground, they will be toast.

Good god, it was just a little vandalism.....a little criminal mischief.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The issue is not Israeli military supremacy, no one can now deny that, the issue now and remains Israeli moral justification for their policies. We must face the facts, a just Israeli state cannot be built upon the foundation of oppression of the weak and powerless. Only terrorist win in such a situation, and is there a dimes worth of difference between the actions of stateless sponsors of terrorism and Israeli government terrorism? Except to note the latter group is the more effective look the other way effective.

We must also note that the USA has the strongest pro Israeli press, which is far less true in the rest of the world, but if Israel does not straighten up their act, no amount of a pro Israeli USA press can alter the real facts.

And right now Israel is skating in very thin ice with the US government interests, and if Israel ever loses its very pro Israeli press, they are really crusing for a brusing.

Bottom line, Israel has better rein in its settler parties ASAP or there will be a coming bloodbath Israel can only lose on the morality aspect. Once Israel loses the moral high ground, they will be toast.

I agree with that, especially the last sentence.

I think most people are getting fed up with the attitude that ANY reported wrongdoings on Israels part are to be kept silent.

It seems most people can own up to the wrongdoings of their own nation but when it comes to Israel, any reporting on anything they ever have done that hasn't brought peace and made children happy is Islamic propaganda.

I don't think it's a good thing because when such things happen, you end up with things getting worse until no one can deny it anymore, by then, all good will from every nation is lost.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Good god, it was just a little vandalism.....a little criminal mischief.

As one event it's nothing, but in the bigger picture....

You can bet your arse there is at least five people who would blow themselves up around you because of this if they got the chance.

Are you willing to pay the price for "a little criminal mischief"?

 

[fallout man]

As one event it's nothing, but in the bigger picture....

You can bet your arse there is at least five people who would blow themselves up around you because of this if they got the chance.

Are you willing to pay the price for "a little criminal mischief"?

Excellent point. This is, in my opinion, the most damaging aspect of the incident.

There is already so much tension there, and something idiotic like this can only act to precipitate the worst of reactions. One cannot, even while ignoring or excusing away the endemic injustices going on daily in that land, not condemn an act like this if one is to kvetch about what comes back in terms of retaliation.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Excellent point. This is, in my opinion, the most damaging aspect of the incident.

There is already so much tension there, and something idiotic like this can only act to precipitate the worst of reactions. One cannot, even while ignoring or excusing away the endemic injustices going on daily in that land, not condemn an act like this if one is to kvetch about what comes back in terms of retaliation.

Aye, and that is the fucking problem, immature retards who destroy mosques on one side and immature retards who fire itsy bitsy rockets on the other.

It's just fucking immature retarded shit they are up to.

Someone will eventually need to tell these children that playtime is now over.

 

[Dari]

No, you bomb the living sheit out of it and use smaller special teams to mark new air strikes on some areas.

You don't maintain control, you just remove their chance to fight and continue to do so at every chance they have to regroup.

There is no need for any ground force besides civilian sparing targeters.

If that's not enough, Israel has nukes.

You don't need to invade the fucking territory, you just need to evaporate the enemy.

That's exactly what we should've done in Afghanistan.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's exactly what we should've done in Afghanistan.

That is what we DID do in Afghanistan until some twat thought it'd be a great idea to remove all air support and all special service targeters who HAD THEM CORNERED.

Personally, i think we rushed to Iraq because we needed to get the troops out of Afghanistan, for some reason a win wasn't wanted.

Now? 30k? yeah, they can clean toilets or something, that'll be more useful than to try to squash the Taliban who are living among ALL civilian population, who have negotiations with Karzai (if you wonder why, look up Karzais brother).

 

[Lemon law]

While I cannot quite agree with the JOS total point of, "It's just fucking immature retarded shit they are up to.

Someone will eventually need to tell these children that playtime is now over."

Simply because its not the game playing of children on either side. These are responsible or should I say irresponsible adults we are dealing with and any moderate viewpoints have been long long ago driven out of the discussions as the various sides now go for a total win rather than any compromise. As both sides have their various axes to grind.

What is left out in the process is the world community that has a huge stake in a just mid-east peace. And since the world community has no biased axes to grind, its maybe long past time for binding international arbitration of the disputes. Guaranteed, neither Israel or the Palestinians will like such a settlement, but both sides can like it or lump it as a just mid-east settlement is forged.

Israel will have the guaranteed right to exist but will have to go back to the pre-1967 borders.

For the all the pro-Israeli fan clubbers who assert that Israeli might will prevent such a solution, I will simply point out that Israeli military might is still very tiny compared to the collective international community.

As adults to adults, its long past time for the world community to say, the time for all this bullshit is past.