A Sensible Approach to Reducing Gun Violence

[WackyDan]

This pretty much summarizes all the debate we've had in this thread. With time and careful consideration, some gun laws and mental health guidelines that actually are meaningful could have been implemented. When the left of the issue, the gun control crowd has this woman attempting what may indeed be impossible, based on little supporting facts other than some noble ideal vision of utopia in her head... Then we on the gun ownership side dig our trenches and fight the good fight.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/g...-national-assault-weapon-ban-coming-thursday/

Charles. This should reaffirm to you that the right on this issue, the gun owners are not the ones "shooting" ourselves in the foot. This elected official, among many came at us within days after Newtown and is not going to stop until she/they gets what she wants regardless of facts or supposedly open discussion with gun owner advocacy groups.

You might as well close your thread again.

 

[xj0hnx]

I said and maintain that putting much effort into a new law against bump firing accessories isn't a great use of time, as given how infrequent rifles are already used in gun crime, and that no crimes (my guess?) have involved bump firing a bump-fired rifle seems unlikely to be used. Full-auto is mainly something that looks and sounds impressive, but reduces accuracy and blows through ammunition quicker. My guess is a lunatic with a bump stock AR15 is going to end up killing far fewer people than one without that bump stock.

However, having watched that video, and in the spirit of the machine-gun ban, and the fact that bump-fire products apparently didn't exist prior to it (did they?), and that a professional dealing with NFA items said of the bump fire product that it allows "simulated full-auto fire that's very controllable" and later "these things are amazing", I've little doubt that this kind of mechanism is not in the spirit of the law. And spirit is important to most laws, since few can account for all scenarios without being voluminous/verbose in the extreme.

The spirit of the law was to decrease firing rate. The mechanism it used was limiting to one bullet per trigger pull, knowing that there is a human limit to that--or was. Bump-firing side-steps that human limit. It's inferior to a true machine gun but in this vid it's a pretty darn good approximation.

The problem with the whole "bump fire" argument is that you don't need ANYTHING to bump fire, you can do it with your finger, a piece of string, a rubber band, or some ridiculously overpriced piece of plastic. The fact is that no one uses bump firing in crimes because it is a novelty. Even with that stupid stock, if you were moving about, trying to rob some where, or massacre a group of people it just wouldn't be effective at all, it's just another non-issue for anti-gun nuts to cry about, and whether you are using just your finger and the guns recoil, or a "Slide Stock" the mechanism of the firearm is not changed.

 

[OrByte]

Just bumping this up to add a well reasoned opinion on the "cure for gun violence" from a man with experience on this issue, William Bratton - Former NYC Police Commissioner

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323968304578246721614388346.html

 

[monovillage]

Just bumping this up to add a well reasoned opinion on the "cure for gun violence" from a man with experience on this issue, William Bratton - Former NYC Police Commissioner

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323968304578246721614388346.html

From your link:

What's the right number—seven, 10, 15? Who knows? The right number is no bullets in the clip, but that's not going to happen."

I'm supposed to think this guy is the voice of reason?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

The problem with the whole "bump fire" argument is that you don't need ANYTHING to bump fire, you can do it with your finger, a piece of string, a rubber band, or some ridiculously overpriced piece of plastic. The fact is that no one uses bump firing in crimes because it is a novelty. Even with that stupid stock, if you were moving about, trying to rob some where, or massacre a group of people it just wouldn't be effective at all, it's just another non-issue for anti-gun nuts to cry about, and whether you are using just your finger and the guns recoil, or a "Slide Stock" the mechanism of the firearm is not changed.

You persist in not addressing the core arguments that I raised and that Doppel reinforced.

 

[HendrixFan]

Banning firearms based on features is not a compromise, what am I getting in return?

Any owner of the "banned" firearms does not have to give them up. They just need to register them. There is no second amendment issue because you can still bear whatever arms you wish.

Constructing a national registry of firearms is not a compromise, why do I want to give the government information about me that they can then later use against me? I have the right to not self incriminate.

What info? That you are a gun owner? How is that incriminating? All those guns are legal to own with proper registration. Even machine guns.

 

[spidey07]

Any owner of the "banned" firearms does not have to give them up. They just need to register them. There is no second amendment issue because you can still bear whatever arms you wish.



What info? That you are a gun owner? How is that incriminating? All those guns are legal to own with proper registration. Even machine guns.

Shall NOT be infringed.

 

[HendrixFan]

Shall NOT be infringed.

Shoo! Back to the kids table with you. Adults are having an conversation here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9cT_fzYtlo

 

[klinc]

The stricter the gun controls became the more illegal guns appeared on the streets in South Africa. South Africa is the murder capital of the world. Security firms stand no chance against assailants with illegal automatic rifles as they are not allowed to use automatic weapons. 3000 Farmers have died because of strict gun laws the criminal element see them as easy pickings. No self protection far away from any services that is there ro protect the citizens.

You want to fix a country. You need to fix its education system first.There is a trade-off between respecting diversity and sustaining peace.