A scholar identifies an alarming trend among US men.

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MrSquished

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I'd like to apologize to the men on the supreme court, and millions of men around the country, including mostly male legislators in such great states as Ohio where they wanted to force a 10 year old rape victim to carry to term, that I called their behavior bad and even evil. I am just a spineless man who hates himself, even though I acknowledge I have many flaws, but Moonbeam said so so it must be true. The Democrats have turned me into a Feminazi. Moonbeam has shown me the light. I feel that men need to reclaim their manhood, and overturning Roe v Wade was just misunderstood by my perception, all from bad memories from my previous existence in the matrix, since humans can't be bad but only in my mind, and thus could not have influenced my poor perception skills in any way.,
 

biostud

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I recommend we treat men and women equally and care about all of each the same. The OP was posted to alert us to the fact we are failing in that, that both parties have inadequate solutions. For example the Biden's infrastructure bill will help blue collar working men of all races in greater proportion probably to women but Democrats don't seem to use that to gain votes among men. That leaves them as ripe fruit for Republican politics and phony appeals to a bygone era that will harm society in general.
And this is where I simply don't know enough about US society. But we se the same challenges here, but they are a minority and have very limited political influence.
 
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Pohemi

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Hehe, sorry. I know as a entitled man I am too privileged to have any insight into the gender inequality issue.
:rolleyes:
That is why dank’s point about women earning less is not really relevant. Women, work in larger numbers but are still getting screwed more than men...
How are those not connected? Being paid less in just about every industry doesn't count as, "getting screwed more than men"? So you just wanted to say Dank was wrong, and then agree with him in the next sentence?

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...I am just a spineless man who hates himself, even though I acknowledge I have many flaws, but Moonbeam said so so it must be true. The Democrats have turned me into a Feminazi. Moonbeam has shown me the light...
'You don't know yourself as well as I do because everyone was put down as a child and suffers the exact same psycho-spiritual ego bruising and therefore all the bad behavior and evil shit that other people do isn't really evil but just your own projection. That makes sense because I listened to a Sufi once.' - Moonpie (for the past how many years now?)

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Good to hear you don’t intend to do direct violence. But it sounds like you ridicule a class of men who ignored are doing some damage and are thus ripe for exploitation. Maybe that deserves some attention.
The solution is to take away their guns and their truck.

Problem solved.




I am aware a good number have promised to resist with force any attempts to confiscate the weapons designed to murder their neighbors.

That is why we have tanks. It will be good for the gene pool.
 
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Especially white men too I'd like to add to that.

I feel so oppressed as a straight white guy. Every day. Every hour of that day. Every minute in the hour of that day. Every second in the minutes of that hour of the day.

I'm amazed men haven't revolted to take back their true stature in society. It's time to get back in the cave, regroup, arm ourselves, and take our masculinity back against the feminazis, as you so eloquently put it.

There has to be a dog and a pickup truck somewhere in that planning my friend. Otherwise, it'd be an incomplete painting of how the white straight male has been oppressed.
 

cytg111

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Especially white men too I'd like to add to that.

I feel so oppressed as a straight white guy. Every day. Every hour of that day. Every minute in the hour of that day. Every second in the minutes of that hour of the day.

I'm amazed men haven't revolted to take back their true stature in society. It's time to get back in the cave, regroup, arm ourselves, and take our masculinity back against the feminazis, as you so eloquently put it.
It’d be funny if it wasnt for, like, Andrew Tate … and alex jones… and jordan peterson.. and WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON????????
 
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Moonbeam

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And this is where I simply don't know enough about US society. But we se the same challenges here, but they are a minority and have very limited political influence.
Yes. Charity begins at home and homogeneous societies are more likely to care for each other than societies into which desperate people immigrate seeking the better life those people created for themselves. In the US minorities are becoming majorities displacing privileged elite white Christians and Europe due to low birth rates need to bring in foreign workers who are then eligible for the benefits of hard earned socialism. The modern world is filled with insecurity and that is what feeds conservative mentality. Everyone things of things as a zero sum game with things are scarce. That is my opinion, my best guess.
 

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:rolleyes:

How are those not connected? Being paid less in just about every industry doesn't count as, "getting screwed more than men"? So you just wanted to say Dank was wrong, and then agree with him in the next sentence?

I gave enough of an explanation, I think, that you should easily have been able to work that out were you feeling co-operative. It is an improvement from earning nothing because you can't participate in the work force to earning something even if it is less than men. That in no way implies that women should settle for that or that men should fear equality for women.

:rolleyes:

'You don't know yourself as well as I do because everyone was put down as a child and suffers the exact same psycho-spiritual ego bruising and therefore all the bad behavior and evil shit that other people do isn't really evil but just your own projection. That makes sense because I listened to a Sufi once.' - Moonpie (for the past how many years now?) [/QUOTE]

It doesn't make sense to you because your self-righteousness requires others whom you can blame. Your self respect is built on sand, the notion that you are better than others because others are evil. But that itself is what evil is, the projection of self hate and its justification. The Sufis have a concept calls the naf, basically the self as seen in three stages. At the lowest stage the self satisfies itself regardless of the nature of the desire. In the second stage the self can feel remorse and regret and may determine to change. In the final state the self is serene and wishes only as in the Lords prayer that what is in heaven be done on earth. These stages are traveled via discipline, education, and proper teaching. I do not know the techniques nor have I traversed them via that teaching. I differ from you only perhaps in that I have reasons to suspect that in stage three evil does not exist because there is no self that desires it. The state of enlightenment, I think, happens when one awakens and all there is is everything that exists in the present. The separation between the self and all there is disappears, thought time and fear come to an end. There is only pure being and that is what love really is.
 
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Moonbeam

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The solution is to take away their guns and their truck.

Problem solved.




I am aware a good number have promised to resist with force any attempts to confiscate the weapons designed to murder their neighbors.

That is why we have tanks. It will be good for the gene pool.
We have tanks but do we have only liberal drivers?
 

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Thanks for the laugh Moonbeam,

Men are doing just fine, thank you. What we should really focus on is turning girls into women. Society today has them so confused that they do not know that they are here in a supporting role for men. They are the yin to our yang.
Isnt that the parent's job?
Men and women live in a symbiotic society. You cant have one gender going off on a tangent.

Well, those are certainly all words.

If you can sell some woman on living this way more power to you both I guess. However, you can’t use the state to push it on them anymore.
 

sportage

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So to sum this up... we have too many guys with little dick's and big trucks.
Exactly the mentality that Donald Trump's fame depends on.
 
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Moonbeam

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If you need to use China to support your claims about social issues in the US, you've lost the plot.
You are basing this argument on the title of the thread, the fact that the author of the book is concerned with bad issues in the US happening disproportionately to men. But you have not taken into account what he reasons are contributing factors to those issues. In the first lines of the book review I quoted we read this: "Reeves’s book offers a much-needed overview of the difficulties facing men and boys in the US today. These include a serious reduction in academic achievement, declining wages and employment, poor health, and increasing “deaths of despair,” which are nearly three times higher for men as for women. His book also demonstrates that this “crisis of masculinity” is linked to structural changes, such as automation and globalization[, which have reduced the number of jobs traditionally performed by males. Probably, the book’s most valuable contribution is to show that remedying men’s difficulties can also benefit women." Also you seem not to have grasped that I wrote the OP provocatively to demonstrate how self hate among men is my explanation for the problem. I expected to see great contempt for the manner in which I suggested that men are being made superfluous and are being treated as worthless by liberal focus on equality for women while not addressing the situation with men, a terrible missed opportunity in my opinion.

You came right to women's defense. I have no problem with that. My problem is that the negatives in our culture for men are driving them to the right. How could you possibly find a better expression of the sense of inferiority many are feeling with a name like Proud Boys. Proud my ass. So much violence in our society is the result of immature males trying to prove to themselves they are what our sick culture has taught them it means to be a man. All of this will never get dealt with by laws, gun laws included, and punishment. A man who is punished punishes back, right? Watch TV? I love The Punisher. You?

We need to wake up and liberals have to do better at messaging they care. As the author mentioned, Biden's infrastructure bill will most benefit blue collar men but that was not emphasized enough.
 

SMOGZINN

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Crazy idea. Teach young men how to be grown men.
No. I raised two men that are actually men. It's not all that hard.
That is where you are wrong. It is hard. It requires years of daily dedication. You can't just do it from 8-5 Monday - Friday.
You can't do it remotely, or by seeing them one weekend every other week.

You can only do it by being there all the time and demonstrating what a grown man is supposed to be by being one yourself ALL THE TIME.
And to do that you have to have had someone teach it to you that way.
 
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You are basing this argument on the title of the thread, the fact that the author of the book is concerned with bad issues in the US happening disproportionately to men. But you have not taken into account what he reasons are contributing factors to those issues. In the first lines of the book review I quoted we read this: "Reeves’s book offers a much-needed overview of the difficulties facing men and boys in the US today. These include a serious reduction in academic achievement, declining wages and employment, poor health, and increasing “deaths of despair,” which are nearly three times higher for men as for women. His book also demonstrates that this “crisis of masculinity” is linked to structural changes, such as automation and globalization[, which have reduced the number of jobs traditionally performed by males. Probably, the book’s most valuable contribution is to show that remedying men’s difficulties can also benefit women." Also you seem not to have grasped that I wrote the OP provocatively to demonstrate how self hate among men is my explanation for the problem. I expected to see great contempt for the manner in which I suggested that men are being made superfluous and are being treated as worthless by liberal focus on equality for women while not addressing the situation with men, a terrible missed opportunity in my opinion.

You came right to women's defense. I have no problem with that. My problem is that the negatives in our culture for men are driving them to the right. How could you possibly find a better expression of the sense of inferiority many are feeling with a name like Proud Boys. Proud my ass. So much violence in our society is the result of immature males trying to prove to themselves they are what our sick culture has taught them it means to be a man. All of this will never get dealt with by laws, gun laws included, and punishment. A man who is punished punishes back, right? Watch TV? I love The Punisher. You?

We need to wake up and liberals have to do better at messaging they care. As the author mentioned, Biden's infrastructure bill will most benefit blue collar men but that was not emphasized enough.
The problem is that someone sees it as a battle men against women, as a zero sum game. It is first if you actually acknowledge that the liberation of the women is just as much a liberation of the men, that men also can raise to the responsibility that it takes to be equals.

Based only on my very limited knowledge of the US society, I can understand why it could be difficult for men to change their view on masculinity, as it seems like it is locked in some very conservative ways.
 

dank69

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You are basing this argument on the title of the thread, the fact that the author of the book is concerned with bad issues in the US happening disproportionately to men. But you have not taken into account what he reasons are contributing factors to those issues. In the first lines of the book review I quoted we read this: "Reeves’s book offers a much-needed overview of the difficulties facing men and boys in the US today. These include a serious reduction in academic achievement, declining wages and employment, poor health, and increasing “deaths of despair,” which are nearly three times higher for men as for women. His book also demonstrates that this “crisis of masculinity” is linked to structural changes, such as automation and globalization[, which have reduced the number of jobs traditionally performed by males. Probably, the book’s most valuable contribution is to show that remedying men’s difficulties can also benefit women." Also you seem not to have grasped that I wrote the OP provocatively to demonstrate how self hate among men is my explanation for the problem. I expected to see great contempt for the manner in which I suggested that men are being made superfluous and are being treated as worthless by liberal focus on equality for women while not addressing the situation with men, a terrible missed opportunity in my opinion.

You came right to women's defense. I have no problem with that. My problem is that the negatives in our culture for men are driving them to the right. How could you possibly find a better expression of the sense of inferiority many are feeling with a name like Proud Boys. Proud my ass. So much violence in our society is the result of immature males trying to prove to themselves they are what our sick culture has taught them it means to be a man. All of this will never get dealt with by laws, gun laws included, and punishment. A man who is punished punishes back, right? Watch TV? I love The Punisher. You?

We need to wake up and liberals have to do better at messaging they care. As the author mentioned, Biden's infrastructure bill will most benefit blue collar men but that was not emphasized enough.
Messaging that they care? The Proud Boy type will think that sounds pretty gay. Sorry I don't have any solution for a self-perpetuating problem.
 
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Pohemi

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Messaging that they care? The Proud Boy type will think that sounds pretty gay. Sorry I don't have any solution for a self-perpetuating problem.
But you're just not understanding and compassionate enough for people who treat everyone else like shit. So it's all YOUR fault that they behave the way they do. Because of how you witness it.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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Messaging that they care? The Proud Boy type will think that sounds pretty gay. Sorry I don't have any solution for a self-perpetuating problem.

I don’t think I have all the answers either but I do believe that the stereotypical American notion of masculinity is culturally produced and Han little relationship to what a psychologically mature man would look like. That means, in my opinion, that if one culture can create toxic men, then changes in that culture can produce potentially healthier men. That means, again in my opinion, that progress and change is possible. So how many people working for the right kind of change does it take to change a culture?
 

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But you're just not understanding and compassionate enough for people who treat everyone else like shit. So it's all YOUR fault that they behave the way they do. Because of how you witness it.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
We’ll in that regard you either have to work very hard to be the idiot you appear to be or it comes naturally. In either case you clearly can’t help but struggle to maintain the absurd ego identifications you have imagined as giving you sacred dignity. Better to appear to be a fool than to recognize you have elevated insignificance to to self importance erroneously. Not to worry. Had you not had that capacity to hide your inner pain from yourself and others as a child you would not have survived. Hats off to the ego that allowed you to survive.

But you might show a bit of respect to conservatives who, with respect to alternative reality creation, have it, even, all over you.
 
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I don’t think I have all the answers either but I do believe that the stereotypical American notion of masculinity is culturally produced and Han little relationship to what a psychologically mature man would look like. That means, in my opinion, that if one culture can create toxic men, then changes in that culture can produce potentially healthier men. That means, again in my opinion, that progress and change is possible. So how many people working for the right kind of change does it take to change a culture?
It is changing as we speak. The outcry is from people who do not want it to change.
 
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Scary thing is this also applies to the misogynistic white supremacists. They’ve crawled out from hiding for all these decades and see they are tolerated by the likes of the orange monkey.

The real problem is they're not just tolerated but elevated by clownfucking dipshits like the OP, who are incapable of seeing reality as it is, and instead are desperate to keep their sham fairlyland. They take no responsibility for their actions and blame everyone else, and then demand that we accept that or else they'll perpetrate violence.

It really is...something to see how the OP so desperately tried to portray himself as some deep thinker, not that anyone was really fooled with his rambling nonsense that just showed it was much more likely he'd experienced debilitating head injury, and now just constantly has to show he's just a pathetic scared limp dick right wing caricature. Wait, is OP Herschel Walker?
 
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"Feminazis". JFC.

Did your post get a wall 'o text response blathering on about how its the woke left that forced him to have to use such terms? I wanna gauge where exactly on the descent into full RWNJ the OP has slipped to this time.

The weirdest part is, even his own brain (well unless its multiple people using that account) works against this narrative he pushes. Notice in the leadup to the election he had cooled a lot of this stuff and was often calling out shit behavior by Republicans? He stopped all the gun nut shit, stopped all the both sides arguments, stopped all the blathering rambling and had brief pointed criticisms of overwhelmingly right wing behavior. Once the election was over he's now back to spewing this shit. Even he recognizes how dangerous the shit he's spewing is, which is why he clamps down on it when it matters, but he's been so gaslit he can't stop. I almost feel bad for him, but he knows how to fix it. Just like the other right wingers we saw follow basically the exact same path. Seriously, I hope he gets help before he hurts himself or someone else, as that's the path he's on.
 
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