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MrSquished

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I used the term Sieg Highheal to cause you to react defensively to the notion you would make a perfect Amazon slave and I did that to indicate that you are a spineless man and I did that to show you you don’t like seeing yourself like that. We can never get anywhere so long as you see a mirror and react to it as though you are being called the monster only you see in it.

I'm a spineless man? Interesting. I am strong in some things and weak in others. I have many fallibilities and I have strengths and I have average characteristics. R

One of your spineless characteristics is that you are unable to call out bad behavior and evil thinking, speaking and actions because you are too weak to do so - when even having thousands of years of human history to look at and easily see how terribly wrong you are.

I am sure you have strengths as well. Good luck with them.

I'm going to go be a feminazi, along with my feminazi family and friends and most women I date, and yet somehow I don't feel anything like the men you describe here, and neither do the men I know. That is a total other discussion, as I do see where societal pressures affect our psyches, both men and women, but you are trippin' on the wrong kind of shrooms.
 
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MrSquished

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Yes, and declining earning capacity was one of the reasons listed. That is why dank’s point about women earning less is not really relevant. Women, work in larger numbers but are still getting screwed more than men. The progress they see are larger numbers employed.

Declining earning capacity has nothing to do with being a man. That has to do with a general trend towards growing wealth inequality and devaluation of labor by the ownership and wealthy class. I find it sad you are conflating that with gender. That is a kindergarten level mistake of logic. In fact this is typical GQP agitprop. You take an issue that is caused by the top 1% and the power structure, almost all white men - and then you blame that on something else, like you are here, on just being men. Thus they turn an economic trend that benefits them into something that riles up the have nots but not based in any reality. And you are just carrying their water.

You are starting to sound like Jordan Peterson. Glad you have new role models.
 
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Tsinni Dave

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Hehe, sorry. I know as a entitled man I am too privileged to have any insight into the gender inequality issue.
Your un-ironic use of that word negates every wall-of-text post you've presented here in your attempt to appear a thoughtful/deep thinker and definitely shows you have no understanding into the gender inequality issue. And btw, Jordan Peterson is a pseudo-science fraud.
 

FelixDeCat

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The fact is that men are irrelevant today.

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Thanks for the laugh Moonbeam,

Men are doing just fine, thank you. What we should really focus on is turning girls into women. Society today has them so confused that they do not know that they are here in a supporting role for men. They are the yin to our yang.
 
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WelshBloke

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Yes, and declining earning capacity was one of the reasons listed. That is why dank’s point about women earning less is not really relevant. Women, work in larger numbers but are still getting screwed more than men. The progress they see are larger numbers employed.
Id question a link between a decline in earnings and emotional maturity. If your an arsehole without money you were probably an arsehole with money, people were probably just more willing to put up with it then.
 

biostud

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I don’t see this issue as having anything to do with genes. People who once thrived in the rust belt didn’t have their lives turned upside down because they had inferior genes. They had their source of livelihood and their value as people taken from them.

I hope what you are suggesting is that you are happily married with three children because you live in a place that values you as a human being more than the culture here.
Obviously this has nothing to do with genes, it was meant as a joke. :)

But it has a lot to do about culture. If you stop evolving your culture and norms you'll be run over those who do. The conservatives here in Denmark had a slogan saying, you have to reform to preserve.

If you do not acknowledge that you have grow an adapt culturally as society changes, you are just as doomed as if it was genetic.
 
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trenchfoot

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Men as masculine aggressive defenders of the weak and meek female is passe. Done in by suffrage, women's lib movement, EEO, high tech jobs, etc. John Wayne, RIP, Gloria Steinem, take a bow. The requirement for muscle, stamina and brute force has been replaced for a higher level of scheming and conniving to survive the wars held daily in the offices throughout America, a skill that women have acquired over the thousands of years of being oppressed and relegated to being objects of possession and virtual slavery, still being practiced here and abroad.

The ability of the male to protect the homestead from bears, wolves, snakes and murdering rapists is being replaced by the male having higher potential for acquiring wealth and fame through possessing a higher level of acumen, skullduggery and treachery. Virility is valued in child bearing and he-man macho sports like football and the martial arts, so much else being replaced by machines and robotics.

In general terms, men like to destroy things to get their way, women prefer to protect and nurture to get theirs. I think the latter makes for better leaders, the former makes for being, in the end result, obsolete. As an aside, one could easily make the comparison with how the two dominating political parties of America presents themselves to the nation.
 
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Moonbeam

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I'm a spineless man? Interesting. I am strong in some things and weak in others. I have many fallibilities and I have strengths and I have average characteristics. R

One of your spineless characteristics is that you are unable to call out bad behavior and evil thinking, speaking and actions because you are too weak to do so - when even having thousands of years of human history to look at and easily see how terribly wrong you are.

I am sure you have strengths as well. Good luck with them.

I'm going to go be a feminazi, along with my feminazi family and friends and most women I date, and yet somehow I don't feel anything like the men you describe here, and neither do the men I know. That is a total other discussion, as I do see where societal pressures affect our psyches, both men and women, but you are trippin' on the wrong kind of shrooms./QUOTE]

You turn every thing into how you are being accused of being inferior so I call you inferior to show you how you react because your reactions just shows you feel exactly as I said, inferior. What I have told you about others being blameless applies to you too. You are asleep, unaware you hate yourself. You see the world in terms of bad behavior because you believe that bad behavior is a reality that is inherent in other people and only because you believe it. I see that people who believe in bad behavior believe it because they were told they were bad, that's how they came to believe it. But you are not bad inherently. People act badly because they hate bad behavior and that is all bound up with repressed unconscious memories of the past. It is a mental illness. I have you have it, some people have undone all the damage by reliving their past and awakening to the suffering they experienced. Such people do not blame others. The love life itself. I believe there is a better world than the one we live in.

Declining earning capacity has nothing to do with being a man. That has to do with a general trend towards growing wealth inequality and devaluation of labor by the ownership and wealthy class. I find it sad you are conflating that with gender. That is a kindergarten level mistake of logic. In fact this is typical GQP agitprop. You take an issue that is caused by the top 1% and the power structure, almost all white men - and then you blame that on something else, like you are here, on just being men. Thus they turn an economic trend that benefits them into something that riles up the have nots but not based in any reality. And you are just carrying their water.

You are starting to sound like Jordan Peterson. Glad you have new role models.

It is actually you who is carrying their water. In the first place real adjustments are taking place in society. Physical labor is becoming mechanized, AI will be doing more and more jobs. But the notion that economic hardship does not affect a person's emotional well being is absurd. Status and wealth in our society go hand in hand and since everybody is walking around with a unconscious giant inferiority complex, money is everything. Your inability to face your own inferiority feelings and the fact they are a lie means that you are just a cog in the wheel. Your contempt for conservatives, even your contempt for the rich is just more fuel for the Wheel of Karma. Not to care for the other is not to care for yourself.

Now that you know what you were powerfully warned never to believe. Go ahead and hang on to your guilt like you were told is real.
 

Moonbeam

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Your un-ironic use of that word negates every wall-of-text post you've presented here in your attempt to appear a thoughtful/deep thinker and definitely shows you have no understanding into the gender inequality issue. And btw, Jordan Peterson is a pseudo-science fraud.

Gee, thanks. I guess it's flattering to be accused of attempting to appear deep and thoughtful. In a world full of self haters it's easy to feel the fear of being outclassed in an area that creates envy. But I reject your fear as substantial. It takes little to make people feel their own inadequacy, much too little to feel flattered.

Thanks for the laugh Moonbeam,

Men are doing just fine, thank you. What we should really focus on is turning girls into women. Society today has them so confused that they do not know that they are here in a supporting role for men. They are the yin to our yang.
Yup, the need to laugh at others all comes from having been laughed at yourself. Sorry you were made to feel like a joke. Don't jump off a building. You can be helped.
 

biostud

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Gee, thanks. I guess it's flattering to be accused of attempting to appear deep and thoughtful. In a world full of self haters it's easy to feel the fear of being outclassed in an area that creates envy. But I reject your fear as substantial. It takes little to make people feel their own inadequacy, much too little to feel flattered.


Yup, the need to laugh at others all comes from having been laughed at yourself. Sorry you were made to feel like a joke. Don't jump off a building. You can be helped.
There's some weird assumptions going on here.

Stop putting each gender in a little narrow box, it might have "worked"in th 1950`s and before. The world has changed, and once you have tasted freedom you don't want to crawl back into the box.

Obviously it is much more difficult now and requires the ability to reflect on yourself, your identity and the people you meet. You cannot make assumptions and expectations based on the traditional norms anymore.
That is the cost of personal freedom. Unfortunately it requires that you have been tought how to handle this, either through the educational system or through social network you have. And from my superfluous understanding of the US society this not something these men have access to.
 

Moonbeam

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Men as masculine aggressive defenders of the weak and meek female is passe. Done in by suffrage, women's lib movement, EEO, high tech jobs, etc. John Wayne, RIP, Gloria Steinem, take a bow. The requirement for muscle, stamina and brute force has been replaced for a higher level of scheming and conniving to survive the wars held daily in the offices throughout America, a skill that women have acquired over the thousands of years of being oppressed and relegated to being objects of possession and virtual slavery, still being practiced here and abroad.

The ability of the male to protect the homestead from bears, wolves, snakes and murdering rapists is being replaced by the male having higher potential for acquiring wealth and fame through possessing a higher level of acumen, skullduggery and treachery. Virility is valued in child bearing and he-man macho sports like football and the martial arts, so much else being replaced by machines and robotics.

In general terms, men like to destroy things to get their way, women prefer to protect and nurture to get theirs. I think the latter makes for better leaders, the former makes for being, in the end result, obsolete. As an aside, one could easily make the comparison with how the two dominating political parties of America presents themselves to the nation.

I think generally speaking women are better dealing with people and men are better dealing with things but that there is a great deal of potential overlap. I think also we are undergoing a cultural shift and the growing pains thus produced by rapid levels of change. Culture is changing right under our feet and as long as a person's self worth is tied up in externals the greater we experience ego threat. Ego threat brings out the conservative within us.

I think that being a man means caring. I think that men and women do not differ in that potential. A competitive uncaring society is what makes men and women hard.
 

cytg111

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Yep. Gender norms. It so much easier when someone tells me how to behave think and do… said the slave… never….

I suggest we do a gene test at birth and if you’re never going above 6 its never basketball for you sir.
Point being, while there BE gender differences you can never treat them as such, there is a huge overlap for one and for two; fuck you.
 

Moonbeam

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There's some weird assumptions going on here.

Stop putting each gender in a little narrow box, it might have "worked"in th 1950`s and before. The world has changed, and once you have tasted freedom you don't want to crawl back into the box.

Obviously it is much more difficult now and requires the ability to reflect on yourself, your identity and the people you meet. You cannot make assumptions and expectations based on the traditional norms anymore.
That is the cost of personal freedom. Unfortunately it requires that you have been tought how to handle this, either through the educational system or through social network you have. And from my superfluous understanding of the US society this not something these men have access to.
I recommend we treat men and women equally and care about all of each the same. The OP was posted to alert us to the fact we are failing in that, that both parties have inadequate solutions. For example the Biden's infrastructure bill will help blue collar working men of all races in greater proportion probably to women but Democrats don't seem to use that to gain votes among men. That leaves them as ripe fruit for Republican politics and phony appeals to a bygone era that will harm society in general.
 

Moonbeam

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Yep. Gender norms. It so much easier when someone tells me how to behave think and do… said the slave… never….

I suggest we do a gene test at birth and if you’re never going above 6 its never basketball for you sir.
Point being, while there BE gender differences you can never treat them as such, there is a huge overlap for one and for two; fuck you.
Not sure who you are referring to here but the gender norms I mentioned are based, I believe, on scientific studies. A study of behavior tells you how a gender may be expected to cluster around but it has nothing at all to do with telling genders how to behave. It's the other way around.

Naturally self hate is the root of victim mentality and whining about science. :)
 

MrSquished

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Are you saying there is bad behavior in relation to gender on this country? Say it ain't so!

There is no bad behavior, just memories of our past. As you say. Which was not actual bad behavior, just programmed into us by the matrix. Since it never existed in people, it has to come from somewhere.

After all, bad behavior doesn't exist except merely as a perception - of course except when you make an entire thread about it
 

Paratus

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Thanks for the laugh Moonbeam,

Men are doing just fine, thank you. What we should really focus on is turning girls into women. Society today has them so confused that they do not know that they are here in a supporting role for men. They are the yin to our yang.
Do tell us more about your plans to groom little girls.