A scholar identifies an alarming trend among US men.

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https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/11/26/richard-reeves-us-men-trends-smerc-vpx-contd.cnn

Smerconish on CNN interviews the author, of the book "Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do about It,"
Here is a brief review of the book on Amazon:

C. Thompson

5.0 out of 5 stars Urgent message with one blind spot
Reviewed in the United States on October 11, 2022
Verified Purchase
Reeves’s book offers a much-needed overview of the difficulties facing men and boys in the US today. These include a serious reduction in academic achievement, declining wages and employment, poor health, and increasing “deaths of despair,” which are nearly three times higher for men as for women. His book also demonstrates that this “crisis of masculinity” is linked to structural changes, such as automation and globalization, which have reduced the number of jobs traditionally performed by males. Probably, the book’s most valuable contribution is to show that remedying men’s difficulties can also benefit women.
Unfortunately, though, as Reeves explains, efforts to improve the situation confront opposition from both sides of the political spectrum. Conservatives want to turn the clock back to the day of stay-at-home moms dependent on traditionally employed males. Progressives, locked into the conviction that “gender inequality can only run one way,” decline to acknowledge the structural factors behind the issues facing males and to see them as individual failings of “toxic masculinity.”
Reeves’s proposed solutions to the problems he identifies include an array of steps that, for the most part, I find convincing. One is to encourage male employment in HEAL (health, education, administration, literacy), just as we have promoted female employment in STEM (science, technology, education, math). In education, he notes that having male teachers makes a positive impact on boys’ academic performance. I do have reservations, however, regarding his proposal that boys be held back for an extra year of pre-school. Elsewhere, he emphasizes that genetically-based male and female differences are overlapping, rather than binary. In this context, I am puzzled that he believes “all” (a word he uses repeatedly) boys should be held back for a year.
That said, this is an excellent book. As a progressive, I am concerned that we ignore its message at our peril, and I fear that, as Reeves explains, if responsible parties do not deal with this issue, irresponsible parties will exploit it to everyone’s detriment.

The issue and the hidden dimension I think I see, of course, is that men since President Carter have lost status. The American idea of a tough emotionally unavailable man is dead. The sun has set on the Marlboro Man. The link above details some of the tragedy. The best way I can think of to identify the source as a problem of self hate is as follows:

The fact is that men are irrelevant today. Women are rejecting them in droves as well as schools and corporations. Why deal with children when you can hire responsible and cooperative and educated women. Likely in the future, when the testosterone lunacy of the gorilla male is eliminated genetically as has largely happened among Asians, the population of men will be kept maybe at ten percent of the most feminized to serve as breeding stock.

Meanwhile the Republicans will seek to pull us back into the cave as Democrats become Feminazies.
 
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It's natural selection. If a specific type of trait is no longer wanted they can either adapt or die. If they don't have the capability or willingness to adapt, their genetic material is not beneficial for us a species.

Personally I'm happily married and have three children.
 

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Especially white men too I'd like to add to that.

I feel so oppressed as a straight white guy. Every day. Every hour of that day. Every minute in the hour of that day. Every second in the minutes of that hour of the day.

I'm amazed men haven't revolted to take back their true stature in society. It's time to get back in the cave, regroup, arm ourselves, and take our masculinity back against the feminazis, as you so eloquently put it.
 

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Especially white men too I'd like to add to that.

I feel so oppressed as a straight white guy. Every day. Every hour of that day. Every minute in the hour of that day. Every second in the minutes of that hour of the day.

I'm amazed men haven't revolted to take back their true stature in society. It's time to get back in the cave, regroup, arm ourselves, and take our masculinity back against the feminazis, as you so eloquently put it.
It really is the pits. All the other colors are cool, nobody cares about use pasty white people any more.


The other day I pulled into the walmart parking lot with my truck and everyone just ignored me. They were all gathered around some car that had its frame on the ground and a pretty diddly paint job.

I put serious money in that truck! It is going to take me 40 years to pay off my credit card debt. The body lift jacked me up so high I can't even see the road any more. I roll so much coal the my smoke stretches a mile behind me. When the twitty birds fly through my smoke cload they choke to death and hit peoples windshields. It is hilarious! My light bars are so bright I can watch people swerve like drunken morons and panic brake behind me, in the middle of the day! I have a Murican flag so large in the bed I welded a blade on it to cleanly cut the wires strung over the road. I can hear sirens in the distance every time I get to work and it is sweet sweet sound of FREEDOM!

And nobody cares at all about my GLORIOUS TRUCK! Nobody cares about me!

Is just isn't FAIR! Not FAIR at all!

...

But I have a plan to show all them, just wait and see. They might blow me off now, but they will not be laughing at me tomorrow*! I will show them not to disrespect me!





*Poe's law disclaimer - this post is intended as sarcasm. I have no intention of committing violence on anyone.
 
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Cool, just what this board needs yet another "oh noes think of the poor (white) dudes being made fun of" thread by our resident JordanPeterson obsessed surrogate penis stroking peentificator.

If men have such fragile egos that relatively minor things like women becoming empowered, or non-white people getting to air their faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more real grievances (sorry but you can whine all you want about "real men" shit, doesn't make any of it true, just reveals that you are the thing you keep complaining about and that you are not a "real man"), is leading them to all this toxic behavior then its just affirming that men should not be in positions of power or influence and are rightly losing such because of it.

No wonder people like the OP are so angry about trans people, its showing that guys that were born women, and women that were born guys, are both more "real men" than most of the cis straight white male population. I wish you dipshits could gain just enough self awareness to see how ridiculous and pathetic your whining looks. Unfortunately, I actually don't because I think that's what triggers them to lash out in violence because you can't handle reality and your fix is to try and harm others. Honestly, I feel like we should give an award for those that just take their own lives instead of harming others. We should actually be sad about that type of loss. Not the rage and hate and violence perpetrated by the rest.
 

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It's natural selection. If a specific type of trait is no longer wanted they can either adapt or die. If they don't have the capability or willingness to adapt, their genetic material is not beneficial for us a species.

Personally I'm happily married and have three children.

I don’t see this issue as having anything to do with genes. People who once thrived in the rust belt didn’t have their lives turned upside down because they had inferior genes. They had their source of livelihood and their value as people taken from them.

I hope what you are suggesting is that you are happily married with three children because you live in a place that values you as a human being more than the culture here.
 

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Especially white men too I'd like to add to that.

I feel so oppressed as a straight white guy. Every day. Every hour of that day. Every minute in the hour of that day. Every second in the minutes of that hour of the day.

I'm amazed men haven't revolted to take back their true stature in society. It's time to get back in the cave, regroup, arm ourselves, and take our masculinity back against the feminazis, as you so eloquently put it.
Do I detect a note of sarcasm? I suppose it’s to be expected from somebody whose motto is Sieg Highheal. Still, I don’t think you are going to make the ten percent. Too angry.
 

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It really is the pits. All the other colors are cool, nobody cares about use pasty white people any more.


The other day I pulled into the walmart parking lot with my truck and everyone just ignored me. They were all gathered around some car that had its frame on the ground and a pretty diddly paint job.

I put serious money in that truck! It is going to take me 40 years to pay off my credit card debt. The body lift jacked me up so high I can't even see the road any more. I roll so much coal the my smoke stretches a mile behind me. When the twitty birds fly through my smoke cload they choke to death and hit peoples windshields. It is hilarious! My light bars are so bright I can watch people swerve like drunken morons and panic brake behind me, in the middle of the day! I have a Murican flag so large in the bed I welded a blade on it to cleanly cut the wires strung over the road. I can hear sirens in the distance every time I get to work and it is sweet sweet sound of FREEDOM!

And nobody cares at all about my GLORIOUS TRUCK! Nobody cares about me!

Is just isn't FAIR! Not FAIR at all!

...

But I have a plan to show all them, just wait and see. They might blow me off now, but they will not be laughing at me tomorrow*! I will show them not to disrespect me!





*Poe's law disclaimer - this post is intended as sarcasm. I have no intention of committing violence on anyone.

Good to hear you don’t intend to do direct violence. But it sounds like you ridicule a class of men who ignored are doing some damage and are thus ripe for exploitation. Maybe that deserves some attention.
 
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/11/26/richard-reeves-us-men-trends-smerc-vpx-contd.cnn

Smerconish on CNN interviews the author, of the book "Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do about It,"
Here is a brief review of the book on Amazon:
C. Thompson
5.0 out of 5 stars Urgent message with one blind spot
Reviewed in the United States on October 11, 2022
Verified Purchase
Reeves’s book offers a much-needed overview of the difficulties facing men and boys in the US today. These include a serious reduction in academic achievement, declining wages and employment, poor health, and increasing “deaths of despair,” which are nearly three times higher for men as for women. His book also demonstrates that this “crisis of masculinity” is linked to structural changes, such as automation and globalization, which have reduced the number of jobs traditionally performed by males. Probably, the book’s most valuable contribution is to show that remedying men’s difficulties can also benefit women.
Unfortunately, though, as Reeves explains, efforts to improve the situation confront opposition from both sides of the political spectrum. Conservatives want to turn the clock back to the day of stay-at-home moms dependent on traditionally employed males. Progressives, locked into the conviction that “gender inequality can only run one way,” decline to acknowledge the structural factors behind the issues facing males and to see them as individual failings of “toxic masculinity.”
Reeves’s proposed solutions to the problems he identifies include an array of steps that, for the most part, I find convincing. One is to encourage male employment in HEAL (health, education, administration, literacy), just as we have promoted female employment in STEM (science, technology, education, math). In education, he notes that having male teachers makes a positive impact on boys’ academic performance. I do have reservations, however, regarding his proposal that boys be held back for an extra year of pre-school. Elsewhere, he emphasizes that genetically-based male and female differences are overlapping, rather than binary. In this context, I am puzzled that he believes “all” (a word he uses repeatedly) boys should be held back for a year.
That said, this is an excellent book. As a progressive, I am concerned that we ignore its message at our peril, and I fear that, as Reeves explains, if responsible parties do not deal with this issue, irresponsible parties will exploit it to everyone’s detriment.

The issue and the hidden dimension I think I see, of course, is that men since President Carter have lost status. The American idea of a tough emotionally unavailable man is dead. The sun has set on the Marlboro Man. The link above details some of the tragedy. The best way I can think of to identify the source as a problem of self hate is as follows:

The fact is that men are irrelevant today. Women are rejecting them in droves as well as schools and corporations. Why deal with children when you can hire responsible and cooperative and educated women. Likely in the future, when the testosterone lunacy of the gorilla male is eliminated genetically as has largely happened among Asians, the population of men will be kept maybe at ten percent of the most feminized to serve as breeding stock.

Meanwhile the Republicans will seek to pull us back into the cave as Democrats become Feminazies.
"Feminazis". JFC.
 
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One would hope that in the future, women folk with handle us with some understanding and compassion. We'll be allowed to spend our lives immersed in hyper-realistic VR porn. Food will be delivered intravenously, with real food consumption simulated in the VR world. We'll all be fitted with catheters. Masturbatory semen emissions will be farmed to continue procreation of the species through artificial insemination. And the women will just do everything else.
 

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Do I detect a note of sarcasm? I suppose it’s to be expected from somebody whose motto is Sieg Highheal. Still, I don’t think you are going to make the ten percent. Too angry.
Oh the irony. Because I can identify and call out the new batch of mid-stage Nazis, which you dismiss as just poorly perceived people with no bad behaviors,, now I'm the Nazi.

Try to read a few history books.
 
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I don’t see this issue as having anything to do with genes. People who once thrived in the rust belt didn’t have their lives turned upside down because they had inferior genes. They had their source of livelihood and their value as people taken from them.
OP seems to be about (some) men being emotionally stunted not being made jobless.
 

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Cool, just what this board needs yet another "oh noes think of the poor (white) dudes being made fun of" thread by our resident JordanPeterson obsessed surrogate penis stroking peentificator.

If men have such fragile egos that relatively minor things like women becoming empowered, or non-white people getting to air their faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more real grievances (sorry but you can whine all you want about "real men" shit, doesn't make any of it true, just reveals that you are the thing you keep complaining about and that you are not a "real man"), is leading them to all this toxic behavior then its just affirming that men should not be in positions of power or influence and are rightly losing such because of it.

No wonder people like the OP are so angry about trans people, its showing that guys that were born women, and women that were born guys, are both more "real men" than most of the cis straight white male population. I wish you dipshits could gain just enough self awareness to see how ridiculous and pathetic your whining looks. Unfortunately, I actually don't because I think that's what triggers them to lash out in violence because you can't handle reality and your fix is to try and harm others. Honestly, I feel like we should give an award for those that just take their own lives instead of harming others. We should actually be sad about that type of loss. Not the rage and hate and violence perpetrated by the rest.
Down boy. I think you have me all wrong. I just expressed contempt for more men than you do. I clearly stated that all men are worthless just as you did for some. I included the cave men you so despise, but also liberals who are so concerned about women's equality, like you are, that they ignore an alarming trend for political expediency.

I did think of Jordan Peterson when I read my first link. He is sensitive to the problem, but his attempt to build men out of damaged goods, while commendable and potentially effective is far too short of the mark as to what is needed in my opinion.

In short, no person is worthless in my opinion and nobody will see that feelings of worthlessness pervade everything. So I couched my post with contempt for men in general. Who, who does not have a dog in the fight would bother to respond if I had not pushed their buttons of self contempt.

I want liberals to realize that ignoring the problems men face is dangerous for the reasons addressed in the OP and for conservatives to realize there is no going back to the cave. A humane society needs to concern itself with everyone in that society.
 
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If we believe that men no longer have agency in their own lives then I suppose we could take the author seriously. As I don't hold that view, I find the author's claims to be silly.
Yes, certainly. Your personal agency is the cause of the fact that you have achieved ego greatness. Lucky you the course of your life has allowed you that fantasy.
 

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Oh the irony. Because I can identify and call out the new batch of mid-stage Nazis, which you dismiss as just poorly perceived people with no bad behaviors,, now I'm the Nazi.

Try to read a few history books.
I used the term Sieg Highheal to cause you to react defensively to the notion you would make a perfect Amazon slave and I did that to indicate that you are a spineless man and I did that to show you you don’t like seeing yourself like that. We can never get anywhere so long as you see a mirror and react to it as though you are being called the monster only you see in it.
 
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OP seems to be about (some) men being emotionally stunted not being made jobless.
Yes, and declining earning capacity was one of the reasons listed. That is why dank’s point about women earning less is not really relevant. Women, work in larger numbers but are still getting screwed more than men. The progress they see are larger numbers employed.