A scalding critique of Ivy League school admissions.

Martin

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There's a lot of ranting and outrage on these boards against affirmative action, but little or no attention gets paid to the practices mentioned in the article below.

Its a good article with a sensible conclusion, too bad it won't happen though...


Poison Ivy
Not so much palaces of learning as bastions of privilege and hypocrisy

AMERICAN universities like to think of themselves as engines of social justice, thronging with ?diversity?. But how much truth is there in this flattering self-image? Over the past few years Daniel Golden has written a series of coruscating stories in the Wall Street Journal about the admissions practices of America's elite universities, suggesting that they are not so much engines of social justice as bastions of privilege. Now he has produced a book??The Price of Admission: How America's Ruling Class Buys Its Way into Elite Colleges?and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates??that deserves to become a classic.

Mr Golden shows that elite universities do everything in their power to admit the children of privilege. If they cannot get them in through the front door by relaxing their standards, then they smuggle them in through the back. No less than 60% of the places in elite universities are given to candidates who have some sort of extra ?hook?, from rich or alumni parents to ?sporting prowess?. The number of whites who benefit from this affirmative action is far greater than the number of blacks.

The American establishment is extraordinarily good at getting its children into the best colleges. In the last presidential election both candidates?George Bush and John Kerry?were ?C? students who would have had little chance of getting into Yale if they had not come from Yale families. Al Gore and Bill Frist both got their sons into their alma maters (Harvard and Princeton respectively), despite their average academic performances. Universities bend over backwards to admit ?legacies? (ie, the children of alumni). Harvard admits 40% of legacy applicants compared with 11% of applicants overall. Amherst admits 50%. An average of 21-24% of students in each year at Notre Dame are the offspring of alumni. When it comes to the children of particularly rich donors, the bending-over-backwards reaches astonishing levels. Harvard even has something called a ?Z? list?a list of applicants who are given a place after a year's deferment to catch up?that is dominated by the children of rich alumni.

University behaviour is at its worst when it comes to grovelling to celebrities. Duke University's admissions director visited Steven Spielberg's house to interview his stepdaughter. Princeton found a place for Lauren Bush?the president's niece and a top fashion model?despite the fact that she missed the application deadline by a month. Brown University was so keen to admit Michael Ovitz's son that it gave him a place as a ?special student?. (He dropped out after a year.)

Most people think of black football and basketball stars when they hear about ?sports scholarships?. But there are also sports scholarships for rich white students who play preppie sports such as fencing, squash, sailing, riding, golf and, of course, lacrosse. The University of Virginia even has scholarships for polo-players, relatively few of whom come from the inner cities.

You might imagine that academics would be up in arms about this. Alas, they have too much skin in the game. Academics not only escape tuition fees if they can get their children into the universities where they teach. They get huge preferences as well. Boston University accepted 91% of ?faculty brats? in 2003, at a cost of about $9m. Notre Dame accepts about 70% of the children of university employees, compared with 19% of ?unhooked? applicants, despite markedly lower average SAT scores.

Why do Mr Golden's findings matter so much? The most important reason is that America is witnessing a potentially explosive combination of trends. Social inequality is rising at a time when the escalators of social mobility are slowing (America has lower levels of social mobility than most European countries). The returns on higher education are rising: the median earnings in 2000 of Americans with a bachelor's degree or higher were about double those of high-school leavers. But elite universities are becoming more socially exclusive. Between 1980 and 1992, for example, the proportion of disadvantaged children in four-year colleges fell slightly (from 29% to 28%) while the proportion of well-to-do children rose substantially (from 55% to 66%).

Mr Golden's findings do not account for all of this. Get rid of affirmative action for the rich, and rich children will still do better. But they clearly account for some differences: ?unhooked? candidates are competing for just 40% of university places. And they raise all sorts of issues of justice and hypocrisy. What is one to make of Mr Frist, who opposes affirmative action for minorities while practising it for his own son?
The poor left behind

Two groups of people overwhelmingly bear the burden of these policies?Asian-Americans and poor whites. Asian-Americans are the ?new Jews?, held to higher standards (they need to score at least 50 points higher than non-Asians even to be in the game) and frequently stigmatised for their ?characters? (Harvard evaluators persistently rated Asian-Americans below whites on ?personal qualities?). When the University of California, Berkeley briefly considered introducing means-based affirmative action, it rejected the idea on the ground that ?using poverty yields a lot of poor white kids and poor Asian kids?.

There are a few signs that the winds of reform are blowing. Several elite universities have expanded financial aid for poor children. Texas A&M has got rid of legacy preferences. Only last week Harvard announced that it was getting rid of ?early admission??a system that favours privileged children?and Princeton rapidly followed suit. But the wind is going to have to blow a heck of a lot harder, and for a heck of a lot longer, before America's money-addicted and legacy-loving universities can be shamed into returning to what ought to have been their guiding principle all along: admitting people to university on the basis of their intellectual ability.

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Ika

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Are legacy numbers really that low? I thought it would be more around the 60-80% for Harvard.

But yeah, legacy is a slap in the face to the better-qualified-but-denied applicants.
 

Syringer

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Social inequality is rising at a time when the escalators of social mobility are slowing (America has lower levels of social mobility than most European countries).

What is this based on? There are few places in this world where a hardworking immigrant coming to the US with $0 can become middle to upper class in a relatively short time. There are countless examples of this..But if this statement is based on percentages remaning in their own social class, of course many who are born into poverty that don't put forth any effort to "move up", and it's not the fault of the policies that are in place.

In any case though, Ivy Leagues and the others are private schools, they can do whatever they want. They are not in place to serve the American public like public univerities are, but are a place of business. And if getting increased funds from alumni donations is resulted from letting those kids in, it's their prerogative.

Still, if you are a hard working underrepresented minority, you will get into a top tier private university with considerably lower qualifications than the average student at that school. And if you're an extremely hard working and smart asian/white student, you'll still be well in the running to get in..

PS ivy leagues do not give away athletic scholarhips afaik
 

Ika

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Social inequality is rising at a time when the escalators of social mobility are slowing (America has lower levels of social mobility than most European countries).

What is this based on? There are few places in this world where a hardworking immigrant coming to the US with $0 can become middle to upper class in a relatively short time. There are countless examples of this..But if this statement is based on percentages remaning in their own social class, of course many who are born into poverty that don't put forth any effort to "move up", and it's not the fault of the policies that are in place.

In any case though, Ivy Leagues and the others are private schools, they can do whatever they want. They are not in place to serve the American public like public univerities are, but are a place of business. And if getting increased funds from alumni donations is resulted from letting those kids in, it's their prerogative.

Still, if you are a hard working underrepresented minority, you will get into a top tier private university with considerably lower qualifications than the average student at that school. And if you're an extremely hard working and smart asian/white student, you'll still be well in the running to get in..

PS ivy leagues do not give away athletic scholarhips afaik

Actually, I'm not so sure on that Asian bit - the percentages of Asians at the Ivies are so high that they're probably getting anti-affirmative actioned (last I saw, 28% at Stanford, 25% at MIT, and 23% at UPenn). For this reason I'm debating whether or not to mark that I'm asian on my applications, but they'll probably figure it out anyway.
 

Syringer

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Yeah that was my point..it hurts to be asian, but if you're a 3.9+ GPA, 1550 SATs (or whatever the equivalent is nowadays) with lots of extracurrics and whatever, you're still nearly guarenteed a spot at a top private school.

I came from a school with a relatively high number of really briliant asian people (3 people with perfect SATs and a whole lot of 1500 plus-ers) who ended up at Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, etc..
sure they had to work harder than a legacy/minority student to get there, but they certainly got in where they belonged.
 

yhelothar

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They missed another one... joining a bunch of bullsh!t clubs just because it looks good on your college transcripts. Getting into college is all about building up this bullsh!t image about yourself. Clubs love the admission fees too.
"Just pay this one time fee of $40 and you get this honor sticker! Looks great on your college app!"
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Social inequality is rising at a time when the escalators of social mobility are slowing (America has lower levels of social mobility than most European countries).

What is this based on? There are few places in this world where a hardworking immigrant coming to the US with $0 can become middle to upper class in a relatively short time. There are countless examples of this..But if this statement is based on percentages remaning in their own social class, of course many who are born into poverty that don't put forth any effort to "move up", and it's not the fault of the policies that are in place.

They've written a number of articles on social mobility in the US, which you can search through here, but its essentially the same thing as this (click to the end to see a comparison of 5 OECD countries).

You can start off poor and become upper class in every society on earth - the only real difference is that it is much easier to do this in the US (for example, because it is much more meritocratic, than say Saudi Arabia, where family and connections would matter more than education and experience). However, it is easier still in other countries.

If you simply repeat the mantra (the immigrant story that everyone has heard a million times) without examining it objectively, you become willfully blind. You cannot fix something if you don't even admit there's a problem with it...

In any case though, Ivy Leagues and the others are private schools, they can do whatever they want. They are not in place to serve the American public like public univerities are, but are a place of business. And if getting increased funds from alumni donations is resulted from letting those kids in, it's their prerogative.

Still, if you are a hard working underrepresented minority, you will get into a top tier private university with considerably lower qualifications than the average student at that school. And if you're an extremely hard working and smart asian/white student, you'll still be well in the running to get in..

Two points here:
1. The point isn't that they are public or private, its that they're hypocritical. If they want to project a certain image (diversity, accessiblity, etc), its best to practice what you preach.
2. The point isn't that extremely smart, but unconnected people won't get in, they will. But a lot of those that are simply very bright won't, because the universities will let it someone average with the right connections before them.
 

everman

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Ivy League isn't really about learning any more than most state schools, you don't get special Ivy League secrets of wisdom and knowledge, or access to better books. More than anything it's about connections and what you do with them. If you want to make a lot of money, an Ivy League school can help you do that because you'll get to meet a lot of rich people and business leaders.