A Sad Day For Baseball

[Pabster]

Story here.

(You can grab a PDF of the entire Mitchell Report at the link above as well.)

"The List"

I haven't finished reading the entire report just yet, but it does appear to be a fairly scathing indictment of MLB, from the Commissioner down to the Players' Union and everywhere in-between. The question that remains, now, is what will be done? IMHO, each and every player (which can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt) who used performance-enhancing agents should be stripped of their records, their entire career wiped, and any post-career achievements (Hall Of Fame, et al) stripped as well. It's a disgrace and truly a sad day for the great American game.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

(You can grab a PDF of the entire Mitchell Report at the link above as well.)

"The List"

I haven't finished reading the entire report just yet, but it does appear to be a fairly scathing indictment of MLB, from the Commissioner down to the Players' Union and everywhere in-between. The question that remains, now, is what will be done? IMHO, each and every player (which can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt) who used performance-enhancing agents should be stripped of their records, their entire career wiped, and any post-career achievements (Hall Of Fame, et al) stripped as well. It's a disgrace and truly a sad day for the great American game.

Oh come on, America and it's beloved Corporations got it's money worth out these athletes.

Why else would you spend millions on these people?

 

[Craig234]

It's not a sad day for baseball - the wrongs did not happen today. It's a good day for the truth, and exposing the truth can help fix the problem.

 

[IronWing]

I don't really see the problem with steroid use by athletes. Their bodies, not mine. If folks want to pay to watch gorilla armed freaks scratch their nuts and hock loogies why should government stand in the way?

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Craig234
It's not a sad day for baseball - the wrongs did not happen today. It's a good day for the truth, and exposing the truth can help fix the problem.

It's both. Sad day because so many players that people looked up to over the years, and had many memories watching are nothing but fvcking cheaters.

Good day for the fact that hopefully we can clean up the game and move on.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: ironwing
I don't really see the problem with steroid use by athletes. Their bodies, not mine. If folks want to pay to watch gorilla armed freaks scratch their nuts and hock loogies why should government stand in the way?

Because people don't want to see that, contrary to your belief.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: ironwing
I don't really see the problem with steroid use by athletes. Their bodies, not mine. If folks want to pay to watch gorilla armed freaks scratch their nuts and hock loogies why should government stand in the way?

Because people don't want to see that, contrary to your belief.

That's why attendence has broken records four years in a row.

The biggest negative regarding the use of HGH and Steriods by Athletes is that it encourages youngsters to follow suite.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

(You can grab a PDF of the entire Mitchell Report at the link above as well.)

"The List"

I haven't finished reading the entire report just yet, but it does appear to be a fairly scathing indictment of MLB, from the Commissioner down to the Players' Union and everywhere in-between. The question that remains, now, is what will be done? IMHO, each and every player (which can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt) who used performance-enhancing agents should be stripped of their records, their entire career wiped, and any post-career achievements (Hall Of Fame, et al) stripped as well. It's a disgrace and truly a sad day for the great American game.

Does it matter to you if they used it before it was against the rules?

BTW that vast majority of those on the list were there because they were named by convicted felons out to save their own ass. Many a court case has gone down the tubes that were based on the testimony of rats and snitches who most juries view as unreliable.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: ironwing
I don't really see the problem with steroid use by athletes. Their bodies, not mine. If folks want to pay to watch gorilla armed freaks scratch their nuts and hock loogies why should government stand in the way?

Because people don't want to see that, contrary to your belief.

Let the market decide that. I guess I see no need for government to be involved in sports.

 

[BigJelly]

As someone that hates baseball, this is actually a good thing for baseball.

If they can stop the cheating--yes that's what ILLEGAL drug use is--then maybe they can bring back some fans that have been betrayed by the drug use.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Does it matter to you if they used it before it was against the rules?

Yes, it does. There would have to be a grandfather clause for those folks. (Though I'd still put an asterisk besides their name in my book.)

BTW that vast majority of those on the list were there because they were named by convicted felons out to save their own ass. Many a court case has gone down the tubes that were based on the testimony of rats and snitches who most juries view as unreliable.

Yep, which is why I said "Proven" beyond a reasonable doubt. Just being named by a third party isn't my definition of beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Craig234
It's not a sad day for baseball - the wrongs did not happen today. It's a good day for the truth, and exposing the truth can help fix the problem.

QFT! :thumbsup:

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: ironwing
I don't really see the problem with steroid use by athletes. Their bodies, not mine. If folks want to pay to watch gorilla armed freaks scratch their nuts and hock loogies why should government stand in the way?

i agree with that... it's like lifting weight, taking vitamins, eating... to make your body better. i do not think this is cheating.. the rule is what makes it "cheating".

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ironwing
I don't really see the problem with steroid use by athletes. Their bodies, not mine. If folks want to pay to watch gorilla armed freaks scratch their nuts and hock loogies why should government stand in the way?

Because it creates an improper pressure on the other athletes who are in competition for the spots to do the same, and we are against pressuring people to do that.

If it only affected them, you would have more of a point, but still an arguable one that would apply to drug laws in general - should we allow heroin/crack addicts etc.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ironwing
I don't really see the problem with steroid use by athletes. Their bodies, not mine. If folks want to pay to watch gorilla armed freaks scratch their nuts and hock loogies why should government stand in the way?

Because it creates an improper pressure on the other athletes who are in competition for the spots to do the same, and we are against pressuring people to do that.

If it only affected them, you would have more of a point, but still an arguable one that would apply to drug laws in general - should we allow heroin/crack addicts etc.

Yep. Drug laws are pretty pointless all around.