A-Rod wins AL MVP

[Francodman]

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20031117&content_id=604702&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

 

[BlamoHammer]

This just shows that the MVP is based off nothing more than offensive numbers. Delgado #2 and Posada #3? The Rangers, Blue Jays, and Yankees would have fared no differently this season if they didnt have these players. The Red Sox and Twins however may not have made the playoffs if not for Shannon Stewart or David Ortiz. CROCK!

 

[Francodman]

MVP of the league, not the team.

 

[Miramonti]

cool. now test him for thg.

 

[TheAudit]

That makes sense...
except the Rangers could have lost without him, too.

 

[new2AMD]

Bout time

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: TheAudit
That makes sense...
except the Rangers could have lost without him, too.

They would have lost 3/4s of the games they won if they didnt have him. Atleast IMHO.

 

[emb09]

good for him. nobody else really deserved it anyway. posada in 3rd place? soriano and matsumi had better seasons than him.

 

[zer0burn]

shannon stewart came late in the year he didnt help them too much most of his stats were achieved with the blue jays. Now if he came over then they went to the world series itd be different...

 

[NeoV]

Zero - check your facts, Stewart improved considerably upon joining the Twins..

the fact that someone said Ortiz or Stewart were MVP candidates tells you that A-Rod was far and away the best candidate - those are 2 good players, but no where close to A-Rod calibur.

 

[AmericasTeam]

MVP should be picked from teams that made it to the playoffs.
I mean, how valuable can a player be if he never helped the team make it to the post-season?

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam
MVP should be picked from teams that made it to the playoffs.
I mean, how valuable can a player be if he never helped the team make it to the post-season?

Dude, that's not a valid argument.
With ARod, the MVP, the Texas Rangers won a whopping 71 games this year.


ARod is definitely the best player in the American League. But how valuable is he when the team loses every year. Plug in a lesser player at shortstop for the Rangers and they would still lose.


Say, who won the Hank Aaron award for the American League this year?

 

[AmericasTeam]

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam
MVP should be picked from teams that made it to the playoffs.
I mean, how valuable can a player be if he never helped the team make it to the post-season?

Dude, that's not a valid argument.
With ARod, the MVP, the Texas Rangers won a whopping 71 games this year.


ARod is definitely the best player in the American League. But how valuable is he when the team loses every year. Plug in a lesser player at shortstop for the Rangers and they would still lose.


Say, who won the Hank Aaron award for the American League this year?

Talk about not a valid argument. 'Whopping' 71 games? You do realize that is sub-500. So how is he valuable? Because without him, the Rangers would lose more?
Valuable to the Rangers = NO
Valuable to MLB = No
Valuable to the Fans = NO

One could even argue that making him MVP is MLB's way of justifying an outrageously high salary.

 

[BlamoHammer]

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam
MVP should be picked from teams that made it to the playoffs.
I mean, how valuable can a player be if he never helped the team make it to the post-season?

Dude, that's not a valid argument.
With ARod, the MVP, the Texas Rangers won a whopping 71 games this year.


ARod is definitely the best player in the American League. But how valuable is he when the team loses every year. Plug in a lesser player at shortstop for the Rangers and they would still lose.


Say, who won the Hank Aaron award for the American League this year?

Talk about not a valid argument. 'Whopping' 71 games? You do realize that is sub-500. So how is he valuable? Because without him, the Rangers would lose more?
Valuable to the Rangers = NO
Valuable to MLB = No
Valuable to the Fans = NO

One could even argue that making him MVP is MLB's way of justifying an outrageously high salary.

Someone come in and fix this mans sarcasm meter. It appears to be a problem in the 'whopping' subcontext.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Come on this was Arods year. no one else out there was good enough to take it away from him.

ARod is year in and year out the best player in the AL, the only question is, can someone on a contending team take it from him. in previous years YES, this year, NO.

 

[TheAudit]

And he may have been voted the MVP but the best thing he could do for the Rangers is to leave. That's how valuable he is. His contract is so big that they don't have the means to do anything else. They'd trade him in a second just to get rid of his salary but no one else would take him.

None of this is a rant against ARod because I do think he is the best player in the American League but he is not the Most Valuable Player. His team is near the bottom of the pile every year. If the Rangers won 100 games and he was the man holding up everyone up then that would be a different story, that is an MVP, but that's not the case. The only reason why he won this year is that there were no compelling cases for MVP. The MVP usually comes from playoff teams, only three times since 1980 has this not been the case.


Didn't ARod win the Hank Aaron award this year or was it someone else?

 

[CChaos]

Ok. So what team wouldn't take ARod if they could have him? Sounds valuable to me. I'd hate to see a team have to do well for one of it's players to be named MVP. Playing well on a bad or average team > playing well on a good team. In my opinion, of course.

 

[BlamoHammer]

Originally posted by: CChaos
Ok. So what team wouldn't take ARod if they could have him? Sounds valuable to me. I'd hate to see a team have to do well for one of it's players to be named MVP. Playing well on a bad or average team > playing well on a good team. In my opinion, of course.

Well, it's common knowledge that he is on the trading block yet the only viable scenario is to see him go to Boston. So apparently nobody

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: AngryPirate

Originally posted by: CChaos
Ok. So what team wouldn't take ARod if they could have him? Sounds valuable to me. I'd hate to see a team have to do well for one of it's players to be named MVP. Playing well on a bad or average team > playing well on a good team. In my opinion, of course.

Well, it's common knowledge that he is on the trading block yet the only viable scenario is to see him go to Boston. So apparently nobody

ya but that's more a function of his salary than his ability. is he getting paid more than he's worth? yes, even when they made him the deal, no one else was going to offer anywhere near what the rangers owner did. he literally out bid himself.

but ARod is still the best player in the game.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam MVP should be picked from teams that made it to the playoffs. I mean, how valuable can a player be if he never helped the team make it to the post-season?

Dude, that's not a valid argument. With ARod, the MVP, the Texas Rangers won a whopping 71 games this year. ARod is definitely the best player in the American League. But how valuable is he when the team loses every year. Plug in a lesser player at shortstop for the Rangers and they would still lose. Say, who won the Hank Aaron award for the American League this year?

Talk about not a valid argument. 'Whopping' 71 games? You do realize that is sub-500. So how is he valuable? Because without him, the Rangers would lose more? Valuable to the Rangers = NO Valuable to MLB = No Valuable to the Fans = NO One could even argue that making him MVP is MLB's way of justifying an outrageously high salary.

You're on drugs!

Texas had the worst pitching in MLB last year, giving up 5.6 earned runs a game.

Arod will make any team with a good pitching staff better because he brings offense and defense to his position.

However with the economics of his high salary, it could be said his contract hurts texas because they can't afford pitching. Thats shallow tho because an organizations pitching goes much furthur than veterans and free agents signed, but has to do with youth drafted and talent development in their minor leagues. Lets face it, the whole organization sucks.

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: CChaos
Ok. So what team wouldn't take ARod if they could have him? Sounds valuable to me. I'd hate to see a team have to do well for one of it's players to be named MVP. Playing well on a bad or average team > playing well on a good team. In my opinion, of course.

Shoot, EVERY team would take him. That's not in question. But he makes $25 million a year. Some ENTIRE team payrolls are only a little above this.

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam MVP should be picked from teams that made it to the playoffs. I mean, how valuable can a player be if he never helped the team make it to the post-season?

Dude, that's not a valid argument. With ARod, the MVP, the Texas Rangers won a whopping 71 games this year. ARod is definitely the best player in the American League. But how valuable is he when the team loses every year. Plug in a lesser player at shortstop for the Rangers and they would still lose. Say, who won the Hank Aaron award for the American League this year?

Talk about not a valid argument. 'Whopping' 71 games? You do realize that is sub-500. So how is he valuable? Because without him, the Rangers would lose more? Valuable to the Rangers = NO Valuable to MLB = No Valuable to the Fans = NO One could even argue that making him MVP is MLB's way of justifying an outrageously high salary.

You're on drugs!

Texas had the worst pitching in MLB last year, giving up 5.6 earned runs a game.

Arod will make any team with a good pitching staff better because he brings offense and defense to his position.

However with the economics of his high salary, it could be said his contract hurts texas because they can't afford pitching. Thats shallow tho because an organizations pitching goes much furthur than veterans and free agents signed, but has to do with youth drafted and talent development in their minor leagues. Lets face it, the whole organization sucks.

When they do try to get pitching they always make mistakes anyway.
Chan Ho Park, anyone?
How well did that turn out?

It's the whole team, they can win with him (obviously) if they made some sound decisions. They need to jettison their high salaries and let some homegrown talent develop around him and then plug in some free agents. Of course, it would be easier if they traded him for some pitching (what they are trying to do).

Boston would never take ARod. They tried to get rid of Manny because he made too much, so how would they afford both twenty million dollar men?


ARod should be happy with his trophy, he's never going to win a ring with Texas.

 

[TheAudit]

By the way, ARod did win the Hank Aaron award (best overall hitter in each league).
He also won in 2001 and 2002. This is an award that he definitely deserves, he can hit!