A Real War Hero Shreds McCain On National Security

[jpeyton]

John McCain

And I wholly agree. Clark agrees that Obama is also untested in regards to national security, but with one clear difference: Obama has never run his campaign on that message, while McCain has and continues to do so undeservedly.

McCain was a pilot who graduated at the bottom of his class, lost several planes during service, survived a POW camp and returned to America a "war hero" with a promising political future. Wesley Clark graduated Valedictorian at West Point, was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, also served in Vietnam, spent over three decades in the military ascending to the rank of four-star General and Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

McCain's "war hero" status was undeserved and tossed around like a cheap decoration. He's a career politician who cashed in the few honest chips he earned during his career to ride the party line to a nomination and a chance at the Presidency.

 

[child of wonder]

Clark would make a great VP.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
John McCain

And I wholly agree. Clark agrees that Obama is also untested in regards to national security, but with one clear difference: Obama has never run his campaign on that message, while McCain has and continues to do so undeservedly.

McCain was a pilot who graduated at the bottom of his class, lost several planes during service, survived a POW camp and returned to America a "war hero" with a promising political future. Wesley Clark graduated Valedictorian at West Point, was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, also served in Vietnam, spent over three decades in the military ascending to the rank of four-star General and Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

McCain's "war hero" status was undeserved and tossed around like a cheap decoration. He's a career politician who cashed in the few honest chips he earned during his career to ride the party line to a nomination and a chance at the Presidency.

You sir, are despicable. Mccain definately wasn't in my top 3 first choices for GOP candidate but to sit here and attempt to rob him of his sacrifice is just so wrong.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
You sir, are despicable. Mccain definately wasn't in my top 3 first choices for GOP candidate but to sit here and attempt to rob him of his sacrifice is just so wrong.

He was detained and tortured for five years by the Viet Cong.

He returns home and speaks of the horrors of torture and war.

He's got a chance to become President, and suddenly he's had a change of heart on torture (now supporting it), unlawful detention (did you see his reaction to the SCOTUS ruling?) and unnecessary war (100 years in Iraq...bomb bomb Iran).

He uses his military service like an obnoxious hood ornament on his political vehicle.

 

[trenchfoot]

IMHO, the moment McCain sold out to the hard right he gave up everything he stood for: an individual with true convictions, a veteran and war hero, and especially so, a man with honor.

 

[dawp]

In a way I'm glad he lost to bush in 2000 so we could see how he really is. And if if u ask me, he wears his military service on his sleave so others can marvel at it.

 

[Lemon law]

I have to agree with jpeyton that McCain, who has never had any kind of military or political leadership role, is greatly over polishing a very limited resume. But I know enough about the military career of Wesley Clark to know he has quite a few skeletons in his closet also. Both McCain and Clark are political opportunists, at least Clark has a few real insights he has ridden to successful results, but when it comes to judging military opinions in 2008, its going to be very very hard for the average voter given all the mixed messages. And even harder given there is no real military success to point to in twin quagmires.

The only semi honesty we get out of the military now only comes from those that are retired, and there are almost nobody in the military who will emerge from a number of failing military occupations covered with any glory. Maybe Petraeus will emerge or he may end up being the unlucky smuck in charge when the bottom drops out.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
IMHO, the moment McCain sold out to the hard right he gave up everything he stood for: an individual with true convictions, a veteran and war hero, and especially so, a man with honor.

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Even as a partisan democrat, I can understand the extremely hard position McCain was placed in. Its easy to make the overly simplified case that McCain should have been totally honest and been GWB's biggest political enemy in either party for eight long years.

Sadly, actions like that would have totally doomed any chances McCain had of getting to where he is now which is the Presidential nominee apparent of the GOP. And if McCain can win the general election, he can be his own man and finally call the shots as the titular head of the GOP.

Meanwhile McCain has had to play the political cards dealt him and walk that fine line between integrity and alienating the very support of the party he is a member of. If nothing else, the McCain strategy worked, and we, the American people, IMHO, got the best of what amounted to a very poor GOP Presidential field in 08.

Before you totally condemn McCain, tweaker2, try to walk a mile in McCains shoes and tell us how you think McCain could have better played his cards and also won the GOP nomination?

In terms of a political past and the platform run on, its not always a good predictor in terms of what we end up getting in a President. If nothing else, GWB is living proof of that.

 

[freneticjinx]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
John McCain

And I wholly agree. Clark agrees that Obama is also untested in regards to national security, but with one clear difference: Obama has never run his campaign on that message, while McCain has and continues to do so undeservedly.

McCain was a pilot who graduated at the bottom of his class, lost several planes during service, survived a POW camp and returned to America a "war hero" with a promising political future. Wesley Clark graduated Valedictorian at West Point, was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, also served in Vietnam, spent over three decades in the military ascending to the rank of four-star General and Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

McCain's "war hero" status was undeserved and tossed around like a cheap decoration. He's a career politician who cashed in the few honest chips he earned during his career to ride the party line to a nomination and a chance at the Presidency.

A disgruntled Democrat loser candidate can certainly be trusted to give an unbiased opinion on the front-runner Republican candidate. This is valuable news.

 

[freneticjinx]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Duwelon
You sir, are despicable. Mccain definately wasn't in my top 3 first choices for GOP candidate but to sit here and attempt to rob him of his sacrifice is just so wrong.

He was detained and tortured for five years by the Viet Cong.

He returns home and speaks of the horrors of torture and war.

He's got a chance to become President, and suddenly he's had a change of heart on torture (now supporting it), unlawful detention (did you see his reaction to the SCOTUS ruling?) and unnecessary war (100 years in Iraq...bomb bomb Iran).

He uses his military service like an obnoxious hood ornament on his political vehicle.

I've never seen someone more biased than you. Kudos.

 

[StageLeft]

About to watch now but I will say that if obama could find an ex-general who seems to generally be held in high regard as VP it would help him tons.

I like everything he said. It's spot on and infallible. He may be the anti-christ, but his statements here are unassailable.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
About to watch now but I will say that if obama could find an ex-general who seems to generally be held in high regard as VP it would help him tons.

I like everything he said. It's spot on and infallible. He may be the anti-christ, but his statements here are unassailable.

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If nothing else, rumors are floating in the blogasphere to the effect that Obama will choose an
ex-military type as his running mate.

But no matter what happens, its not rocket science to predict that both McCain and Obama will each have armies of ex-military figures endorsing their positions.

And the supporters of both Obama and McCain will become even more convinced their chosen candidate is right on the military aspects.

 

[lupi]

Hey look, another thread showing JP as the single largest partisan hack on this forum, whodathunk it.

 

[Dari]

McCain certainly is milking his status as a POW for all it's worth. Can't blame him. It's all he's got.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Duwelon
You sir, are despicable. Mccain definately wasn't in my top 3 first choices for GOP candidate but to sit here and attempt to rob him of his sacrifice is just so wrong.

He was detained and tortured for five years by the Viet Cong.

He returns home and speaks of the horrors of torture and war.

He's got a chance to become President, and suddenly he's had a change of heart on torture (now supporting it), unlawful detention (did you see his reaction to the SCOTUS ruling?) and unnecessary war (100 years in Iraq...bomb bomb Iran).

He uses his military service like an obnoxious hood ornament on his political vehicle.

This is my problem with McCain. He had the opportunity to *REALLY* make a stand and tell this country we need to take the high road. He introduced bills to do so, then he threw them away like cheap trinkets to buy more influence and power, calling in favors and creating new markers.

Personally, I think he's a traitor.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: lupi
Hey look, another thread showing JP as the single largest partisan hack on this forum, whodathunk it.

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Well certainly not me. I think jpeyton has every right to start threads and I hardly consider this thread as partisan hackery because it raises legitimate questions.

And rather than resort to emotional appeals and name calling, if you don't like what JP is saying, why not refute what he is saying with some logic?

 

[freneticjinx]

I might have missed it, but how is Wesley Clark a war hero? For getting shot?

 

[Cold Steel]

Originally posted by: freneticjinx


I've never seen someone more biased than you. Kudos.

Stick around P&N a little longer. You ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: freneticjinx
I might have missed it, but how is Wesley Clark a war hero? For getting shot?

Same thing can be said of McCain. IMHO, neither are war heroes. Both served their country greatly and did it to the best of their abilities.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: freneticjinx
I might have missed it, but how is Wesley Clark a war hero? For getting shot?

wwybywb?

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: freneticjinx
I might have missed it, but how is Wesley Clark a war hero? For getting shot?

Same thing can be said of McCain. IMHO, neither are war heroes. Both served their country greatly and did it to the best of their abilities.

Well said.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
John McCain

And I wholly agree. Clark agrees that Obama is also untested in regards to national security, but with one clear difference: Obama has never run his campaign on that message, while McCain has and continues to do so undeservedly.

McCain was a pilot who graduated at the bottom of his class, lost several planes during service, survived a POW camp and returned to America a "war hero" with a promising political future. Wesley Clark graduated Valedictorian at West Point, was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, also served in Vietnam, spent over three decades in the military ascending to the rank of four-star General and Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

McCain's "war hero" status was undeserved and tossed around like a cheap decoration. He's a career politician who cashed in the few honest chips he earned during his career to ride the party line to a nomination and a chance at the Presidency.

Wow...

 

[freneticjinx]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: freneticjinx
I might have missed it, but how is Wesley Clark a war hero? For getting shot?

wwybywb?

wwybywaj?

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: freneticjinx

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: freneticjinx
I might have missed it, but how is Wesley Clark a war hero? For getting shot?

wwybywb?

wwybywaj?

Why not just answer; it's a fair question.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: lupi
Hey look, another thread showing JP as the single largest partisan hack on this forum, whodathunk it.

Still mad about Hillary, eh?