A Quick Snapshot Look at Why investing SS Funds

CaptnKirk

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They're Crooks - do you trust them ?

The more that cretain people crow about how being able to invest in the Stock Market is the means to keep Social Security solvent ,
the more Wall Street and the Money Machine proves that they are a Numbers Racket being run by theives for their own benefit.
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Federal prosecutors today unsealed securities fraud charges against 15 current and former New York Stock Exchange specialists, accusing them of engaging in criminal activity on the trading floor and benefiting at the expense average investors.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney David N. Kelley said the defendants carried out patterns of fraudulent trading between 1999 and 2003, and the Securities and Exchange Commission, which filed separate civil charges, said the abuses cost investors more than $158 million.

Specialists named today were employed by five different firms -- Fleet Specialist Inc.; Bear Wagner Specialists LLC; LaBranche & Co. LLC; Spear, Leeds & Kellogg Specialists LLC; and Van der Moolen Specialists USA. The firms themselves paid $247 million last year to settle related civil charges.

Specialist traders "showed a disregard for their legal duty that was both profound and at times, profane," Mark K. Schonfeld, director of the SEC's Northeast regional office, said in a prepared statement.

In some cases, several specialists made statements explicitly denigrating public orders placed through the exchange's electronic trading system, known as the DOT. Unnamed specialists said "[Expletive] the DOTs" and "Screw the DOTs," according to an SEC news release.

Specialists have a legal obligation to match customer orders with each other and ensure that the trading system functions smoothly, government lawyers said. Instead, the traders accused today allegedly bought or sold stock for their own accounts at prices that were better than those they gave to existing public orders. That practice is known as "trading ahead," regulators said.

Specialists also used a trick known as "interpositioning," in which they bought a customer "sell" order and then sold at a higher price into an opposite "buy" order from another customer. Such moves allowed the specialists to make "guaranteed, riskless profits for their firms' proprietary accounts at the expense of customer orders," the SEC said.

Also today, securities regulators settled civil charges against the NYSE itself for failing to police and discipline the errant specialists. The exchange, which did not admit or deny wrongdoing, agreed to spend $20 million to beef up audits. The exchange also said it would start an 18-month pilot program to provide video and audio surveillance of activity related to least 20 stocks on the trading floor.

The SEC cited the exchange's "overbroad" monitoring system, which was set up to capture "only the most egregious instances" of trading violations.

Richard G. Ketchum, the exchange's chief regulatory officer, said the NYSE has strengthened its enforcement unit and installed new technology to prevent improper trading since the investigation began in 2003. NYSE's regulatory unit now reports directly to the board of directors, rather than to the exchange's chief executive, to help insulate it from pressure from NYSE member firms.

"Specialist firms have changed, as have we," Ketchum said in a news release.

The individuals indicted today face a maximum prison sentence of 10 to 20 years on each securities fraud charge, along with fines of $1 million to $5 million, prosecutors said.

"These defendants broke the rules repeatedly, they cheated the markets and they cheated the investors who relied upon them," U.S. Attorney Kelley said.

Defense lawyers for the specialists could not be reached for comment early today.

The SEC said it continues to investigate the conduct of individuals in the case.
 

SuperTool

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This raises questions as to where GOP's loyalties lie, trying to make expose average worker's retirement security to the stock market, where it can be stolen by some of the people who support GOP.
 

cKGunslinger

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So.. investing money in the Free Market, where it *might* be handled by some crooks is wrong, but letting the money be 100% controlled by the government, where is is *guaranteed* to be handled by crooks is right? :confused:
 

HombrePequeno

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I'd say that's more of an exception rather than the rule. It's a heck of a lot better than the government where the rule is to steal your money and then say, "Oh sure, we'll pay you back....sometime...with someone elses money."
 

DaveSimmons

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I'm against adding trillions in debt (even by GOP estimates) for partial privatization of SS, but that article is pointless rhetoric not a valid reason against it.
 

CaptnKirk

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All I see from the 'Free Market' that you are so willing to invest funds into, is a den of theives.

It's alledgedly your 'Investment in your Future' that they have shown time, and time again, that they can pay to their executives to the tune of Millions per year, or under the table pad themselves - or use some other ruse to take YOUR MONEY, and leave you holding the bag.
Oh 'I lost a couple thousand' here or there - multiplied by the thousands that lost 'A little -more than I wanted to' and it ends up in the pockets of crooks to the tune of Millions in the Net, while defrauding thousands of investors for a few hundred each.
It's a cumulative toll on the budget, it's a total lack of ethics.

The 'Bush SS Plan' would move a few Billion into the market - but that's not the Governments money is it ? It's from the Taxpayer, not the Multi-Rich sector, who has all the tax breaks and credits and loop-holes written for them, but the lower and middle class.
It's their money that is planned to be tossed into the snake-pit so the investment Vipers
can reap even more dirty money through their theivery.

Watch the market trends, the Big Dollar players are nickle & diming it up to a point,
so they can get the outsiders to put in thier money, then they bring it back down - the little investor takes the financial hit, & the super-player gets the gold, it's being played like a 'Texas-Holdem' Poker Game. You don't have the big bucks to play and stay,
you'll fold on the bluff, or watch them rake the chips to their pile.

How many Stock Market Fraud & indictments will it take before they clean out the nest ?
or can they even clean it up. Same type of game played with the Savings & Loans in the past - left a lot of lifetime investors broke, they had lost hundreds of thousands in their
life savings - all they had, & suddenly they're 70 & have nothing to show for it.

Bad investments - or corrupt financial practices - the individual investor was taken to the cleaners and the theives got away vitrually scot free.
Most were Heavy GOP contributors, or inside GOP Party Officials.

Charles Keating ring a bell ?

 

shrumpage

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have a small % of your money put into account that you have control over, or give it to government to handle. A government that the only thing it seems to do well it as, being huge, fiscally irresponible, and corrupt.

the choices....
 

Darkhawk28

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Being able to invest part of your own SS money isn't a bad thing on the surface. Hell, I think it'd be neat to be able to do it. But many steps have to be done first before we even begin to think about doing it.
 

shrumpage

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I should add:

I don't pay SS, the same amount that would normally go toward SS actually goes toward a private investment account. I can't touch in till i yet retirement age, but it is nice having control over my money, and not have to rely on the government for it later.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. investing money in the Free Market, where it *might* be handled by some crooks is wrong, but letting the money be 100% controlled by the government, where is is *guaranteed* to be handled by crooks is right? :confused:
Yes.
Now, pl;ease hold on while this thread goes down the memory hole, and we redefine "crook."
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. investing money in the Free Market, where it *might* be handled by some crooks is wrong, but letting the money be 100% controlled by the government, where is is *guaranteed* to be handled by crooks is right? :confused:

HAH, thats a great statement.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. investing money in the Free Market, where it *might* be handled by some crooks is wrong, but letting the money be 100% controlled by the government, where is is *guaranteed* to be handled by crooks is right? :confused:

HAH, thats a great statement.

Except with no factual backing.