A question of morality, forgiveness and thanks

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Lifer
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So I've admitted to my parents that I've been stealing their home made wine for a while now. Of course they were not happy about that and were angry at me. However they were more worried about me drinking too much than anything else. I promised them that I would repay them for it and replace the wine I took. I could have bought the wine myself instead of taking it I was more lazy than anything else. This is not an issue of under-age drinking since I am 25, yes I know move out and get your own place. Anyway as a presant to my mother, it's her wine, I decided to make her 3 batches of wine, that's about 100 bottles. I told her I was planning on making her the wine and she was OK with that. Anyway today I presented her the list of what I bought and the dates when they will be ready, all payed for 100%. Her reaction was one of anger and disappointment that I had spent so much money, about $390. She never said thanks, in fact she has never said thanks for the idea at all.

One thing that has been a running theme throughout my mothers life has been her inability to be comfortable with spending ANY money. She can't spend any money on her self without feeling guilty and me and my father are berated day and night for spending too much, despite the fact that we live a comfortable middle class lifestyle and are not in any serious financial troubles. Although as a backlash to her harshness my father does spend too much money on toys for himself. I can remember many other instances where me or my father have bought her something as a gift and she has not said one word of thanks until MUCH latter, only shown anger and disapproval at the expense. My mother gew up in a family that was actually quite wealthy in Malaysia but her parents were so stingy that they lived like peasants, I mean literally like peasants. That has forever warped her emotional life when it comes to issues of finance.

I'm more than a bit conflicted here should I feel remorseful and guilty for having stolen the wine and not expect any thanks at all for the wine I bought? Should I feel hurt for not having been given any thanks for the gift? Thing is my mother never really made a huge deal about me taking the wine in the first place, I said I was sorry and she accepted that and we moved on for the most part.
 

K1052

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You should have never shown her what you were spending based on how you knew she would react.

This needs to happen as soon as practically possible:
[/i]I am 25, yes I know move out and get your own place

 

XZeroII

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Some people are that way. But it's really the right thing to do. I would do it anyway. You're a good person.
 

Slew Foot

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Give her the wine as a gift if it makes you feel better. 1st generation Asian people (like my parents) always hate to spend money. I guess it comes from seeing how bad things are for poor people in their home countries, and they dont want to be anywhere near there. As long as they have a house and food, anything else is extraneous. My parents grew out of it about a few years when they started making piles of money, but for 20 years it was fairly stingy.

 

Locut0s

Lifer
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Originally posted by: K1052
You should have never shown her what you were spending based on how you knew she would react.

This needs to happen as soon as practically possible:
[/i]I am 25, yes I know move out and get your own place

Yeah I should have whited out the price, that was a bit stupid. What I showed her was the invoice / receipt which included the bottling dates and other info.
 

Locut0s

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Give her the wine as a gift if it makes you feel better. 1st generation Asian people (like my parents) always hate to spend money. I guess it comes from seeing how bad things are for poor people in their home countries, and they dont want to be anywhere near there. As long as they have a house and food, anything else is extraneous. My parents grew out of it about a few years when they started making piles of money, but for 20 years it was fairly stingy.

My mother never grew out of it. She has been living here in Canada for her entire adult life. Maybe if both my parents were Chinese I would be OK with it. But my father is caucasian and never had this kind of hangup about money. Yes I am used to it by now but having both sides of the coin shown to me constantly throughought my life has really screwed with my head at times. Sometimes I was to just go out and spend $5,000 on some junk to feel free, other times I feel I should punish myself for spending any. As other on this forum know I've tended to fall on the $5,000 side often.
 

DeadByDawn

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Give her half of what you make, then sell the rest for $390 and tell her that you spent no money on what you gave her.
 

kranky

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She doesn't owe you a thank you for replacing what you stole. That was just you making amends for a wrong.

But I will concede that even if you hadn't stolen anything and gave her the wine, she probably wouldn't have thanked you anyway.

I would suggest you accept that she is the way she is, she's not going to change, and don't let her unnatural reaction to spending money affect you. Don't expect thanks when you know how she is going to react when you give her a gift.
 

altonb1

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This thread makes my head hurt.

You stole the wine, so you replaced it. Cost is irrelevant.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: altonb1
This thread makes my head hurt.

You stole the wine, so you replaced it. Cost is irrelevant.

True. I'm not arguing that. However I did buy significantly more than I took which was supposed to be both to make amends and as a gift.