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A question for Iraqi War Supporters

Siddhartha

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What will you think if it comes out that Iraq did not have any connections with Al Qeda or weapons of mass destruction and Bush knew it?
 

Moonbeam

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I think I can speak for all true conservatives when I say, Second Term.
 

Bigdude

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A positive link to Al Qaeida has already been made, and a WMD program has been found. So you're question is worthless!
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Bigdude
A positive link to Al Qaeida has already been made, and a WMD program has been found. So you're question is worthless!
joke?:confused:
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: Bigdude
A positive link to Al Qaeida has already been made, and a WMD program has been found. So you're question is worthless!
My name is Elmer J Fudd. Millionairre. I own a mansion and a yacht.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Bigdude
A positive link to Al Qaeida has already been made, and a WMD program has been found. So you're question is worthless!
joke?:confused:
There were 2 al queda camps in north Iraq. There were a couple of international terrorists there we captured. The links to terrorism is clear.

The mobile labs were not baby milk factorys, but their size of the WMD program is currently in question. I am willing to wait for a final report before making judgement.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Bigdude
A positive link to Al Qaeida has already been made, and a WMD program has been found. So you're question is worthless!
joke?:confused:
There were 2 al queda camps in north Iraq. There were a couple of international terrorists there we captured. The links to terrorism is clear.

The mobile labs were not baby milk factorys, but their size of the WMD program is currently in question. I am willing to wait for a final report before making judgement.
There have been no links to Al Qaida and NO WMD found in Iraq. Your claim is fantasy.

To answer the question posed in the post, if a president begins an illegal war based on false information that caused the deaths of hundreds of US military personnel and thousands of innocent civilians he should be impeached and brought up on war crimes charges.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: charrison
The mobile labs were not baby milk factorys
This I already know, why would the Iraqi's need baby milk when they are pulling babies out of their incubators.

 

adlep

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To the War supporters....
Everything is relative
These "mobile laboratories" might be used for some other purpouse....
American and British intelligence analysts with direct access to the evidence are disputing claims that the mysterious trailers found in Iraq (news - web sites) were for making deadly germs. In interviews over the last week, they said the mobile units were more likely intended for other purposes and charged that the evaluation process had been damaged by a rush to judgment.
Buuuuuuuuu
Fox News stinks....
How does it feel to be a complete idiot who believes everything told without first looking at the facts?
Edit: Suppouse that there are no WMD in Iraq and no credible Al-Queda connection...What then?
Also, in regards to Al-Queda and Saddam, I believe they hated each other too much to be able to make any kind of a deal. Saddam was as much an "infidel" to Osama as Bush is.....
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: charrison
The mobile labs were not baby milk factorys
This I already know, why would the Iraqi's need baby milk when they are pulling babies out of their incubators.
So you still believe that BS story perpetrated by the first lying Bush. The story was proved false.

The little girl who testified she saw babies taken from their incubators by Saddam's troops - the story Bush used in his speech in 1991 to justify the Gulf war - was the daughter of an Kuwaiti ambassador.

It was all just another big lie.


edit - Kuwaiti ambassador not Iraqi ambassador.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: charrison
The mobile labs were not baby milk factorys
This I already know, why would the Iraqi's need baby milk when they are pulling babies out of their incubators.
So you still believe that BS story perpetrated by the first lying Bush. The story was proved false.
;)
 

adlep

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BOBDN


tweakmm was just kidding...Doh!
Also...
Sr. Bush was lying, so now Jr. Bush is NOT lying?

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Bigdude
A positive link to Al Qaeida has already been made, and a WMD program has been found. So you're question is worthless!
joke?:confused:
There were 2 al queda camps in north Iraq. There were a couple of international terrorists there we captured. The links to terrorism is clear.

The mobile labs were not baby milk factorys, but their size of the WMD program is currently in question. I am willing to wait for a final report before making judgement.
There have been no links to Al Qaida and NO WMD found in Iraq. Your claim is fantasy.

To answer the question posed in the post, if a president begins an illegal war based on false information that caused the deaths of hundreds of US military personnel and thousands of innocent civilians he should be impeached and brought up on war crimes charges.

From the wall street journal on 4/14/03(my bookmarks have link rot, but they are saved)
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Start at the various terrorist-training camps that coalition forces have been locating. The camps are already yielding a trove of information on the links between Saddam Hussein's regime and external terrorist organizations.

In the north, a large compound run by Ansar al-Islam (Supporters of Islam) has been overrun. Among the document cache is a list of followers, including about 150 foreigners--Turks, Pakistanis, Algerians, Iranians, Yemenis and Palestinians. Another find produced a phone directory of militants in the U.S. and Europe. A sweep of Ansar's "poisons factory" uncovered traces of what is thought to be the same batch of deadly ricin that surfaced in London this past January.

The Salman Pak camp 20 miles south of Baghdad has also been taken thanks, says CentCom, to information obtained from captured foreign fighters of various nations, including Sudan and Egypt. The camp even possessed an airline fuselage. We suspect it wasn't for training Air France pilots.
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from Agence France-Presse (AFP)
WASHINGTON (AFP) - US forces and their Kurdish allies have captured a suspected terrorist camp in northeastern Iraq that US officials insist was used as a safe haven by members of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror network, the top US military official said Sunday.
The camp run by Islamic radicals, who called themselves Ansar al-Islam, had been pummeled from air for several days before US troops aided by Kurdish forces entered the compounded located in a Kurdish-controlled area near the border with Iran, according to General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"We are in there on the ground with lots of force, some with some Kurdish help," Myers said, as he appeared on CNN's "Late Edition" show.

An undisclosed number of camp defenders, described by Myers as most likely al-Qaeda members, have been killed during the operation, while other have been captured.

"We're now in there on the ground and starting our investigation of exactly who's up there and what's up there," the general said.

The camp gained international notoriety last month when US Secretary of State Colin Powell mentioned it in his much-publicized speech before the UN Security Council as proof of the Iraqi government's secret ties to the al-Qaeda network, blamed for the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

Powell said an Iraqi intelligence agent had offered al-Qaeda a safe haven in the region, which some members of the group gladly accepted after the United Stated launched Operation "Enduring Freedom" in 2001 to topple the Taliban government in Afghanistan and drive bin Laden's forces out of that country.

According to US officials, the bin Laden followers, who operated in northern Iraq, created a secret biological weapons laboratory inside the camp that was used to produce ricin and other poisons.

Simliar news at fox news
Al Queda terrorist nabbed

At the very least AL Queda was provided safe harbor in Iraq.
 

BOBDN

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links on the incubator story.

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Some people are very gullible. They believe anything Bush tells them. They support a war to avenge babies who are taken from their incubators or a war to rid a nation of WMD.

When will you people ever learn?
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
links on the incubator story.

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Some people are very gullible. They believe anything Bush tells them. They support a war to avenge babies who are taken from their incubators or a war to rid a nation of WMD.

When will you people ever learn?
You did realise I was kidding right?
 

adlep

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In the north, a large compound run by Ansar al-Islam (Supporters of Islam) has been overrun. Among the document cache is a list of followers, including about 150 foreigners--Turks, Pakistanis, Algerians, Iranians, Yemenis and Palestinians. Another find produced a phone directory of militants in the U.S. and Europe. A sweep of Ansar's "poisons factory" uncovered traces of what is thought to be the same batch of deadly ricin that surfaced in London this past January.
Well, the key word here is the North
Saddam had almost no control over the north of the country. It was in Kurdish hands, but actually it became a no-mans land....
Thats all...
No connection
Sorry
Try again
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: adlep
In the north, a large compound run by Ansar al-Islam (Supporters of Islam) has been overrun. Among the document cache is a list of followers, including about 150 foreigners--Turks, Pakistanis, Algerians, Iranians, Yemenis and Palestinians. Another find produced a phone directory of militants in the U.S. and Europe. A sweep of Ansar's "poisons factory" uncovered traces of what is thought to be the same batch of deadly ricin that surfaced in London this past January.
Well, the key word here is the North
Saddam had almost no control over the north of the country. It was in Kurdish hands, but actually it became a no-mans land....
Thats all...
No connection
Sorry
Try again
Funny why did we have send troops into the north to take it then. Saddam did not have the ability to use air power due to northern watch, but he still had significant forces on the ground in the north. Sadam denied the existance of these camps and denied us access to these camps before the war. At the very least safe harbor was being provided.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: adlep
Well, the key word here is the North
Saddam had almost no control over the north of the country. It was in Kurdish hands, but actually it became a no-mans land....
Thats all...
No connection
Sorry
Try again
Funny why did we have send troops into the north to take it then. Saddam did not have the ability to use air power due to northern watch, but he still had significant forces on the ground in the north. Sadam denied the existance of these camps and denied us access to these camps before the war. At the very least safe harbor was being provided.
Adlep is correct. While the Iraqi government managed to maintain some presence in parts of northern Iraq, the camps you refer to were in remote areas under Kurdish control. If the articles you quoted didn't mention this, then it reflects poorly on their objectivity. That doesn't prove a negative, i.e., it may be true that Iraq had some ties to al Quaeda. These camps weren't evidence one way or another.
 

konichiwa

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Bigdude
A positive link to Al Qaeida has already been made, and a WMD program has been found. So you're question is worthless!
joke?:confused:
There were 2 al queda camps in north Iraq. There were a couple of international terrorists there we captured. The links to terrorism is clear.
Yeah, in Kurdistan. The part of Iraq not controlled by Saddam ...
 

mugs

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Just because there are "terrorist training camps" in Iraq, that doesn't mean Iraq or Hussein supported them. We have "terrorist training camps" in the U.S. too - so-called "militia" groups white pride groups. Does the United States support them? Did the U.S. support Timothy McVeigh? Or the Branch Davidians? (The Davidians weren't necessarily terrorists, just a bunch of wackos with guns who liked their 'privacy') Have we found direct links between Saddam and Al Qaeda?
 

Zrom999

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Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Bigdude
A positive link to Al Qaeida has already been made, and a WMD program has been found. So you're question is worthless!
joke?:confused:
There were 2 al queda camps in north Iraq. There were a couple of international terrorists there we captured. The links to terrorism is clear.
Yeah, in Kurdistan. The part of Iraq not controlled by Saddam ...
Exactly why I don't pity the Kurds.
 

Czar

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about the camps, I read an interview with a Kurdish official/diplomat that after Powel's speech at the UN. He said that one of the suspected "terrorist training camps" was actually one of their own camps and not connected to terrorism at all
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
Just because there are "terrorist training camps" in Iraq, that doesn't mean Iraq or Hussein supported them. We have "terrorist training camps" in the U.S. too - so-called "militia" groups white pride groups. Does the United States support them? Did the U.S. support Timothy McVeigh? Or the Branch Davidians? (The Davidians weren't necessarily terrorists, just a bunch of wackos with guns who liked their 'privacy') Have we found direct links between Saddam and Al Qaeda?
You can't compare US militia groups to terrorist groups in Iraq. The existence of them here is based on inherent civil liberties, such as freedom of assembly and the right to bear arms. The people of Iraq had no civil liberties under Saddam. Anything that went on in Iraq was because Saddam wanted it too.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Taggart
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
Just because there are "terrorist training camps" in Iraq, that doesn't mean Iraq or Hussein supported them. We have "terrorist training camps" in the U.S. too - so-called "militia" groups white pride groups. Does the United States support them? Did the U.S. support Timothy McVeigh? Or the Branch Davidians? (The Davidians weren't necessarily terrorists, just a bunch of wackos with guns who liked their 'privacy') Have we found direct links between Saddam and Al Qaeda?
You can't compare US militia groups to terrorist groups in Iraq. The existence of them here is based on inherent civil liberties, such as freedom of assembly and the right to bear arms. The people of Iraq had no civil liberties under Saddam. Anything that went on in Iraq was because Saddam wanted it too.
so because they are legal in the US by local law they are ok, but because they are illegal in Iraq by local law they are not ok?
 

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