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A question for any P.K.s out there

Having grown up in the church and seeing all it;s inner workings, are you still a good church going person, or do you find your experience left you jaded about organized religion?


My Dad was a Minister while I was growing up and personally, I now have no use for organized religion....
 
I still go and I see value in it, but I'm pretty cynical.

I've come to agree that Christians are the most screwed up people there are. If you're really screwed up, that's when you need God the most. So yeah, the churches are filled with screwed up people, and they reflect that. But Christianity is about loving others, and I don't think there's any virtue in quitting organized religion because the people are screwed up and it's sometimes tough. If anything, there's more worth to staying and trying to help in whatever ways you can.

Jesus said himself that he didn't come to heal the people that were well, but instead the people who were sick. So that would make the church more like a hospital, and you can't really accuse the (mental? 😛) patients because they're ill.
 
Originally posted by: HotChic
I still go and I see value in it, but I'm pretty cynical.

I've come to agree that Christians are the most screwed up people there are. If you're really screwed up, that's when you need God the most. So yeah, the churches are filled with screwed up people, and they reflect that. But Christianity is about loving others, and I don't think there's any virtue in quitting organized religion because the people are screwed up and it's sometimes tough. If anything, there's more worth to staying and trying to help in whatever ways you can.

Jesus said himself that he didn't come to heal the people that were well, but instead the people who were sick. So that would make the church more like a hospital, and you can't really accuse the (mental? 😛) patients because they're ill.

"It's people like you who turn valid discussions into flamewars." :evil:
 
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: HotChic
I still go and I see value in it, but I'm pretty cynical.

I've come to agree that Christians are the most screwed up people there are. If you're really screwed up, that's when you need God the most. So yeah, the churches are filled with screwed up people, and they reflect that. But Christianity is about loving others, and I don't think there's any virtue in quitting organized religion because the people are screwed up and it's sometimes tough. If anything, there's more worth to staying and trying to help in whatever ways you can.

Jesus said himself that he didn't come to heal the people that were well, but instead the people who were sick. So that would make the church more like a hospital, and you can't really accuse the (mental? 😛) patients because they're ill.

"It's people like you who turn valid discussions into flamewars." :evil:

🙂 I didn't think I really said anything flameworthy. The atheists will agree with me that Christians can be pretty screwed up sometimes, and the Christians can agree with my thesis because it's totally Biblical. I'm making generalizations of course, because no situation can be entirely summed up.
 
My Dad was the son of a preacher, and it fvked him up royally. He is the most undecisive and confused man alive because of it, and he passed some of that on to me😱

 
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Well I'm pretty screwed up and I still don't go. 😉

I had abandoned organized religion until my child desired it.

The way that is known is not the way, the way that can be told is not the eternal way after all, but I can't expect my seven year old to accept that so you can find me at the Unitarian Church most Sundays. The most unchurch-like church we could find

🙂
 
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Well I'm pretty screwed up and I still don't go. 😉

I had abandoned organized religion until my child desired it.

The way that is known is not the way, the way that can be told is not the eternal way after all, but I can't expect my seven year old to accept that so you can find me at the Unitarian Church Church most Sundays. The most unchurch-like church we could find

🙂

Yeah, the last church I went to was a Unitarian Church.

In fact my Dad, who was a First Christian Church Minister is now a Unitarian.

And IMO, he a MUCH better person for it!
 
Having grown up in the church and seeing all it;s inner workings, are you still a good church going person, or do you find your experience left you jaded about organized religion?

My Dad was a Minister while I was growing up and personally, I now have no use for organized religion....


Ah, my dear fellow, what you say is a longstanding pattern that crosses cultural mores and societal traditions. Do you realize Nietzsche was the son of a pastor? And Khrushchev was constantly at the top of his class in memorizing Bible verses.

During my ministry among jr high schoolers, I found the most disaffected were often the PKs. I asked them questions and they constantly answered correctly about history, Bible stories lessons, the life of Jesus, theological problems, and the like. I asked many, why do you have no joy. And always the response was, "I just don't care".

As a PK myself, I am quite disaffected by the inconsistencies, hipocrisy, backstabbing, self-righteousness, dysfunction, truth effacement, reality contortion, and life negation that occurs at times within the body of believers. I am jaded insofar as a very spiky and rough stone is jaded and smoothed over time until the rough edges fade away and there is a quiet meekness left. I am also cynical and appreciative of the weakness of human beings and their frailty. And I also go to church.

So in answer to your question: "yes, yes".

But I have Cheers ! 🙂, so it might be different for others.
 
Originally posted by: HotChic
I still go and I see value in it, but I'm pretty cynical.

I've come to agree that Christians are the most screwed up people there are. If you're really screwed up, that's when you need God the most. So yeah, the churches are filled with screwed up people, and they reflect that. But Christianity is about loving others, and I don't think there's any virtue in quitting organized religion because the people are screwed up and it's sometimes tough. If anything, there's more worth to staying and trying to help in whatever ways you can.

Jesus said himself that he didn't come to heal the people that were well, but instead the people who were sick. So that would make the church more like a hospital, and you can't really accuse the (mental? 😛) patients because they're ill.
:thumbsup:

 
how many of you got along w/ your parents? and did you want to end up like them? now imagine your dad/ mom is a pastor, do you want to be like them?
 
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