a question about a speeding citation

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nn2000

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I am to fight for a speeding citation. Just a few simple questions:
do I still have a chance to go to the traffic school if I lose the case?
I have two options of contesting 1)go to the court (2hr driving) 2)by mail. Would the second option decrease the chance I win the case?
I was asked to pay the amount first before go to court contesting, is this the right procedure?
 

Newbian

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We need the backstory first so we can ridicule you and make a flame thread insulting everyone else here.
 

jtvang125

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Heard it depends on the court and the judge whether they'll still let you take traffic school if you lose. You should contest it first by mail and if found guilty you can appeal and go for a court trail if you feel you can still win. Most cops get paid in OT when they show up to testify in court so the chances of them showing up is pretty high. However they don't get paid for submitting their paperwork for a trial through mail though.

Of course all this varies from state to state. Best advice is to call the court and ask them what your options are.
 

JDMnAR1

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If your driving record is currently clean other than this ticket, see if the court offers deferred adjudication contingent upon completion of traffic school, etc.
 

akshatp

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Dont pay it first. By paying the fine, you are essentially pleading guilty and will severly limit your options.
 

alkemyst

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court awarded driving school does not count against your maximum elected times to go.

Usually you show up, plea no contest...take the court awarded school and pay a little in court costs ...usually works out to the same as the ticket or a few bucks more, but no points and no insurance penalty.
 

jtvang125

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Originally posted by: akshatp
Dont pay it first. By paying the fine, you are essentially pleading guilty and will severly limit your options.

Don't know about other states but in CA you are required to make bail (pay the fine) before you can request to contest the ticket. If you are found not guilty then they will refund the bail.
 

Clair de Lune

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Originally posted by: jtvang125
Originally posted by: akshatp
Dont pay it first. By paying the fine, you are essentially pleading guilty and will severly limit your options.

Don't know about other states but in CA you are required to make bail (pay the fine) before you can request to contest the ticket. If you are found not guilty then they will refund the bail.

That's pretty shitty. Damn.
 

CRXican

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Originally posted by: jtvang125
Originally posted by: akshatp
Dont pay it first. By paying the fine, you are essentially pleading guilty and will severly limit your options.

Don't know about other states but in CA you are required to make bail (pay the fine) before you can request to contest the ticket. If you are found not guilty then they will refund the bail.

That's correct and it's called Trial by Declaration.

Fight it in writing. Start with this:

STATEMENT OF FACTS

Defendant's Name: Simone De Beauvoir
Case No.: S780824

I respectfully submit this written declaration to the Court pursuant to CVC 40902. I plead Not Guilty to the charge of violating CVC 22350.

The facts of my case are as follows: While driving on Sorrento Valley Road on 10-21-99, I was stopped by a SDPD Officer (I.D.#1234) and was charged with violating CVC 22350. The Officer has alleged that I was driving 62mph in a 45mph zone based on Radar evidence. I believe that I was driving approximately 50-55mph at the time of my stop and that my speed was quite safe for the prevailing conditions.

The Basic Speed Law, CVC 22350 states: "No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property."

At the time of my stop, the road was dry and clear with light traffic. On my citation, the officer marks that the traffic was "light." No persons or property were put at risk. As such, the Officer does not make a credible case that I was in violation of the Basic Speed Law.

Further, I believe that the posted speed of 45mph on Sorrento Valley Road is artificially low, reflecting an out-of-date traffic and engineering survey and, as such, may constitute an illegal Speed Trap pursuant to CVC 40802(a)(2) which defines an illegal radar speed trap as:"A particular section of a highway with a...speed limit that is provided by this code...[which] limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within five years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involves the use of radar or any other electronic device that measures the speed of moving objects." If the traffic survey on Sorento valley Road is more than five years old, the officer's use of radar to determine my speed was illegal.

When using radar evidence, the prosecution is required to prove that the use of radar is not an illegal speed trap. Speed Trap Evidence 40803(b) states: "In any prosecution under this code of a charge involving the speed of a vehicle, where enforcement involves the use of radar or other electronic devices which measure the speed of moving objects, the prosecution shall establish, as part of its prima facie case, that the evidence or testimony presented is not based upon a speed trap as defined in paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 40802."

If the prosecution does not attach proof with its written declaration (a certified copy of the speed survey) to establish as part of its prima facie case, that Sorrento Valley Road is not an illegal Speed Trap, as they are required to do pursuant to CVC 40803(b), I trust the Court will rule the radar evidence inadmissible and dismiss my case pursuant to CVC 40805.

CVC 40805, Admission of Speed Trap Evidence, states:"Every court shall be without jurisdiction to render a judgement of conviction against any person for violation of this code involving the speed of a vehicle if the court admits any evidence or testimony secured in violation of, or which is inadmissible under this article."

I trust in the Court's fairness and ask that my citation be dismissed in the interest of justice.

If the court does not find in my favor in this case, I request a fine reduction and a Court assignment to attend traffic school.

I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the foregoing is true and correct.

Date:

Simone De Beauvoir, Defendant in Pro Per


 

Baked

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You will lose. The cop who wrote you the ticket will show up in court 100% of the time and make you wish you'd paid the fine.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: Baked
You will lose. The cop who wrote you the ticket will show up in court 100% of the time and make you wish you'd paid the fine.

I've beaten 2 tickets by using Trial by Declaration.

I never found out why they found in my favor, I simply received a "Not Guilty" in the mail.

Of course, as always, I wasn't guilty in either case...it must have been someone else...:roll:



Oh yeah...obligatory ATOT respones:

"Learn to drive you fucking loser!" :p
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Baked
You will lose. The cop who wrote you the ticket will show up in court 100% of the time and make you wish you'd paid the fine.

I've beaten 2 tickets by using Trial by Declaration.

This. My brother just got his 2nd ticket dropped because the cop did not write his side of the story in on time. From now on, this is the way I am going.
 

LS21

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Originally posted by: Baked
You will lose. The cop who wrote you the ticket will show up in court 100% of the time and make you wish you'd paid the fine.

having attended court like 4 or 5 times now (ive lost track), cop probably shows up 50% of the time (watching other attendees summoned).

for me, its been 0%, which means ive gotten off free

if they show up, and youre found guilty, the only thing in addition that you would pay (as if you were to pay the ticket directly) is the court fee...

for example, on a 250$ ticket... court fee is 80$... with a 50% chance thats an EASY gamble to take .... if you have the time to go to court. i dont mind cuz i hvae a reason to get off work.
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: Baked
You will lose. The cop who wrote you the ticket will show up in court 100% of the time and make you wish you'd paid the fine.

I showed up at court-- so did the cop. I was caught going 78 in a 55 (sunday night, not a car on the road), I explained how it happened, plead guilty to the judge and asked her if she'd be willing to drop the points. After some ridiculing, she dropped the violation down to a "non-moving violation," I was refunded about $200 of the $275 I paid and nothing ever showed up on my insurance.

I went in expecting to pay every penny of my well-deserved fine, but simply to drop the points due to insurance hikes. I'd say do that, OP.
 
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