A profile of courage, not, or prudence and wise politics?

Greenman

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Oct 15, 1999
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Others need to fight back, others need to make sacrifices. If the situation is so dire why doesn't he step up to the plate?
 

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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Others need to fight back, others need to make sacrifices. If the situation is so dire why doesn't he step up to the plate?

What the fuck do you think he’s doing speaking out and offering encouragement to those that put the rule of law above profit and party?

Why are you so dumb?
 
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Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Looks like cowardliness to me

What do you think?
In what way?
My reading of the article lead me to believe they wanted Obama to call out Trump by name. Maybe call for more direct less lawful action, maybe violence.
What would be the purpose of such a move by a 63 year old former President?

If politics is not sufficient, do not look towards politicians for answers. For theirs is the experience of peace time. Of working in a civil and democratic institution. If that is no longer our nation today, if our institutions have fallen, then do not look to politicians. Look to the streets. Whoever gains a monopoly on violence is the alternative to a man like Barrack Obama.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Jun 30, 2004
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It's nice to see he hasn't been detained by ICE and sent to Kenya. If his latest remarks are somehow less than satisfying, I'm glad he's still "there".
 
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Moonbeam

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It's nice to see he hasn't been detained by ICE and sent to Kenya. If his latest remarks are somehow less than satisfying, I'm glad he's still "there".
You have to see it from my perspective. Obama was President because of me. I contacted him and told him to run against Hillary Clinton and he announced the next day. I thought this country needed a Black man with spectacular moral values would be great for the country. But his unwillingness to confront the low level filth that opposed him for the sake of maintaining that idealized image in my opinion went far too far in a dangerous direction and led to the rise of MEGA. Those pigs needed to be stomped into the ground when there numbers were small before they grew into a plague.. The link tells me he still operates without full comprehension of where he went wrong. So I am personally miffed at him because he personally let me down. I should have asked Sanders to run. He would have been uninterested in his image and breathed fire on those who opposed him.

The issue is ancient. To be or not to be that is the question. Whether it is nobler of the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or by opposing end them.
 

BonzaiDuck

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You have to see it from my perspective. Obama was President because of me. I contacted him and told him to run against Hillary Clinton and he announced the next day. I thought this country needed a Black man with spectacular moral values would be great for the country. But his unwillingness to confront the low level filth that opposed him for the sake of maintaining that idealized image in my opinion went far too far in a dangerous direction and led to the rise of MEGA. Those pigs needed to be stomped into the ground when there numbers were small before they grew into a plague.. The link tells me he still operates without full comprehension of where he went wrong. So I am personally miffed at him because he personally let me down. I should have asked Sanders to run. He would have been uninterested in his image and breathed fire on those who opposed him.

The issue is ancient. To be or not to be that is the question. Whether it is nobler of the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or by opposing end them.
I'm glad we get what we get from Obama. He was president for 8 years, and opposed at every turn by the GOP. He was determined to keep his administration squeaky clean to avoid scandal and the sort of trouble that Trump unfairly escapes given his abject criminality and authoritarian ambitions.

It aged him.

Anyway, I didn't vote for him because I thought we needed a black man. I voted for him because he rated highly in my regard and quickly earned my respect and hope. Every day he appeared on TV to address the public, I felt comfortable and secure. His tenure in the White House, however, really made me aware of the racism afoot in the GOP. Trump and the birther frenzy made it more evident.

How do you think I feel now? I'll tell you. I think my country is slipping away from me. That's how I feel.
 

Moonbeam

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I'm glad we get what we get from Obama. He was president for 8 years, and opposed at every turn by the GOP. He was determined to keep his administration squeaky clean to avoid scandal and the sort of trouble that Trump unfairly escapes given his abject criminality and authoritarian ambitions.

It aged him.

Anyway, I didn't vote for him because I thought we needed a black man. I voted for him because he rated highly in my regard and quickly earned my respect and hope. Every day he appeared on TV to address the public, I felt comfortable and secure. His tenure in the White House, however, really made me aware of the racism afoot in the GOP. Trump and the birther frenzy made it more evident.

How do you think I feel now? I'll tell you. I think my country is slipping away from me. That's how I feel.
Well, first off as the touchy-feely person you accuse me of being I should point out that just as you said above thinking, my country is slipping away from me is thinking and not feeling at all. The actual feeling I think is rage. But be that as it may, those thoughts, you called feelings point, in my opinion, to something quite definitely real, but perhaps not quite in the way you expressed it. The question your words present to my conscious intention regarding the nature of loss. Is it a fact that your country is slipping away or is it something else?

We both live in a similar world. We both experience a sense that that change in a negative direction. We both feel a kind of emotional despair. But while you attribute it to external reality I am not so sure. Is the actual change in the country or is it in our heads? Is it that so many people in our country have become degenerates for want of a better term, or is it that they were always that way and what has been lost is our naivety, that what has really changed is the level to which that degenerate condition has been given permission to manifest itself.

Did the world go bad or did you just wake up to that fact? For me it is an important question that affects how I orient my consciousness toward or away from blame and toward whom I should really claim is at fault.

My opinion is that I was and likely remain largely asleep. The wold is the mess it is in because that is my inner condition. I am asleep and do not know how to awaken so I can help no one else. And to avoid that awareness I blame everybody else.

I am, I think, capable of having sech suspicions because the level of naivety required not to have them got severely damaged long ago. Owing to my relentless examination of everything I held sacred I ended up destroying everything my ego held dear, the belief my ego was actually made of.

Now I think the country is far sicker than even I was able to see and in some sense therefore the direction we are headed in is good news.

The release of the monsters of the Id that Trump has uncaged are, like the opening Pandora’s Box the unleashing of disaster, and will put an end to an entitled grossly egotistical, violent and world meddling force of evil, the real country that is slipping away. We have lost our souls and our way. We either turn around or go under, so good news no matter what happens.