A possible deprogramming path out of the Trump Cult insanity i

Moonbeam

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Trump, it seems hurt her feelings instead of making her feel special. It’s his fault, she discovers that she unappreciated and made to feel worthless. Hehe. Time to get even.
 
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Trump, it seems hurt her feelings instead of making her feel special. It’s his fault, she discovers that she unappreciated and made to feel worthless. Hehe. Time to get even.
I read this the other day and couldn’t shake the feeling that she stays with him for as long as he is useful to her and then dumps him the moment is lost his value.
However I have to note that is exactly what the former President does too.
Either way, I don’t give a fuck about her feelz. I can still laugh at her because of the shitty behavior she displays.
 
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Deprogramming could work, if it didn't take so long to do correctly, and if there weren't so many of them.

I mean, Ginni Thomas was actually in a full blow cult before and was "deprogrammed". Only to now apparently be up to her neck in this one. She's so gone that her current cult actually wants to outlaw her own marriage and she's like "yeah, lets go".
 
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A possible deprogramming path out of the Trump Cult insanity

First, as a general rule it is humans that are insane. No need for qualifiers there.
You are merely quipping over one instance of it, there are many.

Knowing its inherent quality is vital to understanding how it functions, its root causes, and potential solutions.

All I see from your post, is a suggestion that we encourage them to fight amongst themselves. Desantis appears primed to do just that. OTOH, I do not think anything is "over" or "won" should the orange monkey be deposed in the minds of the cult. For they will ever be cultists looking for tomorrow's lord and savior. Trump is a passing fad for them. Sure they'll die for him today, but the second he appears weak (to them) they'll drop him as fast as he drops cabinets. Having them evolve and reform under an actually capable leader may pose an even greater danger to us in the long run.

Which is to say... human nature is a hydra. Cutting off one head may feel euphoric for a moment.... until the next one bites you.

Given how humans behave.... an actual solution might be to dance upon the razor's edge... with our own fascism. We are heading there already... but it might also be the only way. To defeat a cult... you must be a greater cult. Americans must be #American, they must feel it, they must breath it. Bonus points if we manage to maintain an appreciation for education, for truths and sciences along the way. Because those things ARE NOT inherent for us. We must push them on each generation, or lose them just as fast. The risk I see is our own religious fervor to smite our enemies and dance upon their bones. To revel in our own madness. It is intoxicating, and almost certainly what our opposition to them will become.

How we come back from that... I don't know. I strongly suggest not losing it in the first place. For if we lose ourselves, then I fear the notion of our society, of civilization, was more of a spark than an enduring flame. Our notion that human rights existed may not be something we value over the rotting corpses of our enemy. And it would be a bloody shame to dispense with the MAGA only for us to turn that corrupted power against ourselves. Yet I see the desire to do that, all the time. Democrats are not good enough if they do not tow the line. Check all the boxes. Vitriol and hatred and not reserved for MAGA. They are freely given to anyone sufficiently different.

In the midst of our fight, we must never endorse such evil acts. We must preserve who we are, what we stand for. Because surrendering it is ALL too easy.

Note, under no circumstance do I believe coexistence with MAGA is possible. For how is that not a foregone conclusion?
I merely "pray" for who we are, who we become, after.
 

WelshBloke

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"...said that former President Donald Trump being rude to her made her question for the "first time" what kind of person he is."

What the fuck?! She's not noticed before this that one of Trumps defining characteristics is his rudeness to people? It's not like he or his supporters would argue that he isn't ether, they see it as a strength.
 

Moonbeam

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First, as a general rule it is humans that are insane. No need for qualifiers there.
You are merely quipping over one instance of it, there are many.

Knowing its inherent quality is vital to understanding how it functions, its root causes, and potential solutions.

All I see from your post, is a suggestion that we encourage them to fight amongst themselves. Desantis appears primed to do just that. OTOH, I do not think anything is "over" or "won" should the orange monkey be deposed in the minds of the cult. For they will ever be cultists looking for tomorrow's lord and savior. Trump is a passing fad for them. Sure they'll die for him today, but the second he appears weak (to them) they'll drop him as fast as he drops cabinets. Having them evolve and reform under an actually capable leader may pose an even greater danger to us in the long run.

Which is to say... human nature is a hydra. Cutting off one head may feel euphoric for a moment.... until the next one bites you.

Given how humans behave.... an actual solution might be to dance upon the razor's edge... with our own fascism. We are heading there already... but it might also be the only way. To defeat a cult... you must be a greater cult. Americans must be #American, they must feel it, they must breath it. Bonus points if we manage to maintain an appreciation for education, for truths and sciences along the way. Because those things ARE NOT inherent for us. We must push them on each generation, or lose them just as fast. The risk I see is our own religious fervor to smite our enemies and dance upon their bones. To revel in our own madness. It is intoxicating, and almost certainly what our opposition to them will become.

How we come back from that... I don't know. I strongly suggest not losing it in the first place. For if we lose ourselves, then I fear the notion of our society, of civilization, was more of a spark than an enduring flame. Our notion that human rights existed may not be something we value over the rotting corpses of our enemy. And it would be a bloody shame to dispense with the MAGA only for us to turn that corrupted power against ourselves. Yet I see the desire to do that, all the time. Democrats are not good enough if they do not tow the line. Check all the boxes. Vitriol and hatred and not reserved for MAGA. They are freely given to anyone sufficiently different.

In the midst of our fight, we must never endorse such evil acts. We must preserve who we are, what we stand for. Because surrendering it is ALL too easy.

Note, under no circumstance do I believe coexistence with MAGA is possible. For how is that not a foregone conclusion?
I merely "pray" for who we are, who we become, after.
We differ in our views I think. What I think I see in your words is a hopelessness derived from the sense that humans are instinctively evil, condemned by their own human nature. I see that evil only as a result of the fact that language makes thought possible and thought is fear and division. I believe that enlightenment is the way back to our true nature the opening of the door to the joy of being. Humans are infinitely perfectible, in my opinion to the point where they cease to be of this world.

Your see people as they are not how they can become. A realization of the potential of human evolution might ease your despair. In every person there is the possibility of awakening. We are full of guilt but we have been forgiven, some say.
 

Moonbeam

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Posts like this are why you're a joke.
Isn't that his judgment call? Aren't you judging his call based on the idea either that there isn't some serious hate in this thread, that his opinion is animated by some serious hate itself, or that any serious hate that appeared in this thread is justified? Perhaps you disagree. At any rate, it seems to me that your reaction was directed at Greenman as a person rather than a request for clarification or an attack on his opinion rather than his person.

Is hatred justifiable? Are people programmed or are they intentionally evil? Does it matter to you or do you, as I suspect is true of too many conservatives, infected with entitlement? Fairness is normally a big deal for liberals.
 

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Another great example of what's wrong here. You have nothing but anger to add to the discussion. Such a childish position to take.

LOL, so you come in here to simp for a fucking idiot grifter and make a pathetic attempt to insult others and I have nothing to add?

There is no big brain take that defends someone like Owens. She’s literal garbage and the type of person actively lowering the public discourse for her own personal profit. Fuck her, and fuck you if you think she should be defended.
 

MrSquished

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LOL, so you come in here to simp for a fucking idiot grifter and make a pathetic attempt to insult others and I have nothing to add?

There is no big brain take that defends someone like Owens. She’s literal garbage and the type of person actively lowering the public discourse for her own personal profit. Fuck her, and fuck you if you think she should be defended.
He is who he says he is. Always scum.

If someone gets offended about Candice Owens now crying wolf about trump being mean after supporting his shittiness for so long, We see who they are. All no agreement is a fucking hypocritical piece of trash.

He's just going to keep proving it over and over again