A poll about the pledge for ya

[ElFenix]

if "God" in the pledge meant the exact same thing as "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence (that is, the source of all your Rights as a Human Being), would you object to it?

 

[b0mbrman]

I think I'd be happier if the pledge were:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under God,indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

...and if the word constitution were added or substituted in somewhere.

[Edit] Of course, the bold parts are the ones I like

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I think I'd be happier if the pledge were:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under God,indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

...and if the word constitution were added or substituted in somewhere.

[Edit] Of course, the bold parts are the ones I like

That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I think I'd be happier if the pledge were:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under God,indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

...and if the word constitution were added or substituted in somewhere.

[Edit] Of course, the bold parts are the ones I like

That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag.

1) Where does he say that?

2) Do you know what allegiance means Dan? Is it really pathetic if someone doesn't choose to pledge allegiance to a flag?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I think I'd be happier if the pledge were:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under God,indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

...and if the word constitution were added or substituted in somewhere.

[Edit] Of course, the bold parts are the ones I like

That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag.

1) Where does he say that?

2) Do you know what allegiance means Dan? Is it really pathetic if someone doesn't choose to pledge allegiance to a flag?

Well, Gaard. Perhaps if you read his post, you would see that he disliked the part of the pledge that states "to the flag of the United States of America."

And yes, it is pathetic.

 

[ScottyB]

I think it should be taken out. It wasn't in there until the anti-communism freaks stuck it in.

Also I don't understand the obsession with the flag. It's a freaking piece of cloth, not our nation. It's like people want to be pirates or something.

 

[Gaard]

Well, Gaard. Perhaps if you read his post, you would see that he disliked the part of the pledge that states "to the flag of the United States of America."

Actually I did read it. What I think you are doing is what heartsurgeon calls a typical liberal tactic of making an assertion of fact.

Perhaps you might want to change "That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag" to "That is pathetic...you don't even like the part where it says 'to the flag of the United States of America' ".

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I think I'd be happier if the pledge were:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under God,indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

...and if the word constitution were added or substituted in somewhere.

[Edit] Of course, the bold parts are the ones I like

That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag.

1) Where does he say that?

2) Do you know what allegiance means Dan? Is it really pathetic if someone doesn't choose to pledge allegiance to a flag?

Well, Gaard. Perhaps if you read his post, you would see that he disliked the part of the pledge that states "to the flag of the United States of America."

And yes, it is pathetic.

Typical "if you don't agree with the government you're a terrorist" type response. I feel sorry for you.


"Under God" wasn't even in the original pledge so I don't see why people would put a huge fuss about it being removed...then again I don't really care, but I don't think kids in schools today should be *forced* to say any form of the pledge, with or without "under God."

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Well, Gaard. Perhaps if you read his post, you would see that he disliked the part of the pledge that states "to the flag of the United States of America."

Actually I did read it. What I think you are doing is what heartsurgeon calls a typical liberal tactic of making an assertion of fact.

Perhaps you might want to change "That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag" to "That is pathetic...you don't even like the part where it says 'to the flag of the United States of America' ".

...which means he has a problem pledging his allegiance to his flag.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I think I'd be happier if the pledge were:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under God,indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

...and if the word constitution were added or substituted in somewhere.

[Edit] Of course, the bold parts are the ones I like

That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag.

1) Where does he say that?

2) Do you know what allegiance means Dan? Is it really pathetic if someone doesn't choose to pledge allegiance to a flag?

Well, Gaard. Perhaps if you read his post, you would see that he disliked the part of the pledge that states "to the flag of the United States of America."

And yes, it is pathetic.

Typical "if you don't agree with the government you're a terrorist" type response. I feel sorry for you.


"Under God" wasn't even in the original pledge so I don't see why people would put a huge fuss about it being removed...then again I don't really care, but I don't think kids in schools today should be *forced* to say any form of the pledge, with or without "under God."

Terrorist? Nope. Pathetic? Yes.

 

[Genesys]

eh, ive grown up saying it in its current form [with the under God part added in] and when I recite it as it was originally written, it just seems rather odd to me.

anyway, im fine with it either way.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

What's funny is that most of the people that want 'under god' to be kept in the Pledge are conservative. If they were truly conservative, they would be outraged that is was added in the first place (therefore, calling for its removal).

Liberals, on the other hand, wouldn't care either way (stereotypically saying that liberals are for large gov't and that religion in gov't is a blessing because it controls the masses).

Sorry, that's just logic getting in the way. I'll go away.

 

[Zephyr106]

He's not a terrorist, just an unpatriotic subversive element. Just like those Jews were in Germany.

Zephyr

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: ELP
What's funny is that most of the people that want 'under god' to be kept in the Pledge are conservative. If they were truly conservative, they would be outraged that is was added in the first place (therefore, calling for its removal).

Liberals, on the other hand, wouldn't care either way (stereotypically saying that liberals are for large gov't and that religion in gov't is a blessing because it controls the masses).

Sorry, that's just logic getting in the way. I'll go away.

how do you figure?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: ELP
What's funny is that most of the people that want 'under god' to be kept in the Pledge are conservative. If they were truly conservative, they would be outraged that is was added in the first place (therefore, calling for its removal).

Liberals, on the other hand, wouldn't care either way (stereotypically saying that liberals are for large gov't and that religion in gov't is a blessing because it controls the masses).

Sorry, that's just logic getting in the way. I'll go away.

how do you figure?

No, why aren't you figuring. What he said was very plain.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: ELP
What's funny is that most of the people that want 'under god' to be kept in the Pledge are conservative. If they were truly conservative, they would be outraged that is was added in the first place (therefore, calling for its removal).

Liberals, on the other hand, wouldn't care either way (stereotypically saying that liberals are for large gov't and that religion in gov't is a blessing because it controls the masses).

Sorry, that's just logic getting in the way. I'll go away.

how do you figure?

No, why aren't you figuring. What he said was very plain.

perhaps to other libs that use the same warped sense of logic.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I think I'd be happier if the pledge were:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under God,indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

...and if the word constitution were added or substituted in somewhere.

[Edit] Of course, the bold parts are the ones I like

That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag.

Sorry, the most important part is what it stands for.

It's a thing and in and of itself, it means nothing...Do you pledge allegiance to the liberty bell, statue of liberty, and the president's socks too?

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I think I'd be happier if the pledge were:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under God,indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

...and if the word constitution were added or substituted in somewhere.

[Edit] Of course, the bold parts are the ones I like

That is pathetic... you won't even pledge your allegiance to your own flag.

Sorry, the most important part is what it stands for.

It's a thing and in and of itself, it means nothing...Do you pledge allegiance to the liberty bell, statue of liberty, and the president's socks too?

but the flag is the symbol of the nation. it stands for the unification of the 50 states, and the unification of the people within those states. it has more meaning than the liberty bell, the statue of liberty, and the presidents socks.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: ELP
What's funny is that most of the people that want 'under god' to be kept in the Pledge are conservative. If they were truly conservative, they would be outraged that is was added in the first place (therefore, calling for its removal).

Liberals, on the other hand, wouldn't care either way (stereotypically saying that liberals are for large gov't and that religion in gov't is a blessing because it controls the masses).

Sorry, that's just logic getting in the way. I'll go away.

how do you figure?

No, why aren't you figuring. What he said was very plain.

Exactly, how much more plain can it be put? Conservatives side with tradition (keeping things the same). Why would they want the pledge changed from its original form in the first place? Meanwhile, liberals are supposedly all about big gov't. If you have religion in gov't you will get your ballooning gov't.

What else is there to explain.

perhaps to other libs that use the same warped sense of logic.

Hmmm... This statement reminds me of what was posted in another thread about conservatives blanketing anyone who doesn't agree with them as liberal. Son, if I'm a liberal, you have no I idea what you're talking about.

 

[b0mbrman]

but the flag is the symbol of the nation. it stands for the unification of the 50 states, and the unification of the people within those states. it has more meaning than the liberty bell, the statue of liberty, and the presidents socks.

Then I pledge allegiance to what it symbolizes and what it stands for and what it means...

 

[stormbv]

Why do we need, as a group, to define "God"? Insecurity?

lol...I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America...

LOL! Now that's funny

WTF would you pledge allegiance to a flag anyway?

 

[Moonbeam]

How is having to say the pledge for school children anything but brainwashing? Isn't it rather hideous to be pledging yourself to anything before you can comprehend it. No wonder people get the notion of my country right or wrong. Nope, not your country when it's wrong. It's the right of the people to alter or abolish it when it becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established. If you are going to pledge to somethng it should be the Truths that are self evident, them the republic that embodies them and then the flag as its symbol. The worship or devotion to anything but the highest truth is idolotry and leads to fanaticism and evil.