A perfect article for this forum: "Blinded by Bush-Hatred"

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Now we have the same kind of Tossers here at AT spewing their nonsense like it's the party line...

I hope you mean on both sides... look around.

Most definately

 

[naddicott]

I don't blame Bush for the current economy (I don't particulary think Clinton's policies had much causal linkage for better or worse either), but a large portion of the American public seems to enjoy pinning economic hard times on an easily identifiable scapegoat. If the economy isn't visibly improving by election time 2004, I won't be shocked (or saddened) to Bush see fail in his re-election bid.

My primary vote deciding issue is a candidate's environmental policies. On that count I can fairly pin the responsibility for misguided US environmental policies on the Bush administration, and it would take a minor miracle (and many 180 degree policy turns) for him to earn my vote.

[edit: grammar and clarity]

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Now we have the same kind of Tossers here at AT spewing their nonsense like it's the party line...

I hope you mean on both sides... look around.

Most definately

Yup. The article finished with..

Perhaps the most disheartening development of the war -- at home, anyway -- is the number of liberals who have allowed Bush-hatred to take the place of thinking. Speaking with otherwise perceptive people, I have seen the same intellectual tics come up time and time again: If Bush is for it, I'm against it. If Bush says it, it must be a lie. Their opposition to Bush has made liberals embrace principles --

and then a few posts down we get a bunch of pointless knee-jerk spew from the always-charming Dari regarding Clinton that is essentially exactly what Chait was talking about....just applied to a different Pres. Mention anything that happened from 1992-2000 and it will always boil down to a blowjob.

There were and are just as many pathological Clinton-haters as there are Bush-haters now. And so the world turns.

 

[SuperTool]

I think the author is blinded by Bush-admiration. If Saddams weapons were such a huge threat that we had to go to war to find them, then we need to show what we found and explain how it was such a huge threat that it was worth undermining NATO, UN, and the global alliance against terrorism over, and wasting billions of US dollars on war, and keeping a sanctions regime on the Iraqi civilian economy for 12 years.
I know it's shocking to Bush-lovers that people expect a truthful explanation that holds water when this country is taken to war.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: etech


jaeger66, Unemployment is around 6% now. I would like to see more of your reasoning that it "is on a run not seen in nearly 60 years" I lived through the stagnation and inflation of the 70's and 80's. The 90's low unemployment was an aberation in history due to a the large gains of companies moving to computers.

Employment change in net payroll has been negative for 22 straight months, which hasn't happened since 1946.

Can you tell me why President Bush is blamed for high unemployment at 6 % when.

Canada's April Jobless Rate Jumps to 7.5 Pct

French Unemployment Climbs to 9.3 Percent

German unemployment on the rise, again - to 10.7 percent

Euro-Zone Unemployment Rises in March - rose to 8.7 %


If you are going to blame a leader of a country for unemployment it looks as if President Bush should be praised for the lower than other countries numbers.

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put words in my mouth, I never blamed anyone. But he has also done nothing to help, and giving tax cuts to Warren Buffett isn't the answer.

 

[Fencer128]

Unemployment in the UK is at its lowest level since the 1970's

Here is the link.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: etech


jaeger66, Unemployment is around 6% now. I would like to see more of your reasoning that it "is on a run not seen in nearly 60 years" I lived through the stagnation and inflation of the 70's and 80's. The 90's low unemployment was an aberation in history due to a the large gains of companies moving to computers.

Employment change in net payroll has been negative for 22 straight months, which hasn't happened since 1946.

Can you tell me why President Bush is blamed for high unemployment at 6 % when.

Canada's April Jobless Rate Jumps to 7.5 Pct

French Unemployment Climbs to 9.3 Percent

German unemployment on the rise, again - to 10.7 percent

Euro-Zone Unemployment Rises in March - rose to 8.7 %


If you are going to blame a leader of a country for unemployment it looks as if President Bush should be praised for the lower than other countries numbers.

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put words in my mouth, I never blamed anyone. But he has also done nothing to help, and giving tax cuts to Warren Buffett isn't the answer.

You are correct and I apologize, you did not directly blame the President for unemployment in your first post.

If tax cuts aren't the answer what is?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: etech


jaeger66, Unemployment is around 6% now. I would like to see more of your reasoning that it "is on a run not seen in nearly 60 years" I lived through the stagnation and inflation of the 70's and 80's. The 90's low unemployment was an aberation in history due to a the large gains of companies moving to computers.

Employment change in net payroll has been negative for 22 straight months, which hasn't happened since 1946.

Can you tell me why President Bush is blamed for high unemployment at 6 % when.

Canada's April Jobless Rate Jumps to 7.5 Pct

French Unemployment Climbs to 9.3 Percent

German unemployment on the rise, again - to 10.7 percent

Euro-Zone Unemployment Rises in March - rose to 8.7 %


If you are going to blame a leader of a country for unemployment it looks as if President Bush should be praised for the lower than other countries numbers.

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put words in my mouth, I never blamed anyone. But he has also done nothing to help, and giving tax cuts to Warren Buffett isn't the answer.

You are correct and I apologize, you did not directly blame the President for unemployment in your first post.

If tax cuts aren't the answer what is?

Time.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I dont know about anyone else...

My reasons for hating Bush is because he is doing a lousy job at HOME, NOT in Iraq. My reasons are that hes making tax cuts while running up a massive deficit, a economy in the dumps, the patriot act I and II, Ashcroft, Harvey Pitt, Cheney, I could go on.

And trust me it's not just the liberals bitching. 😉

I guess he should've done a Clinton---get a BJ while 3,000 Americans die, right? The fact is terrorists attacked this country and Bush is doing something about it. You may not like the methodology, but it's working. When clinton was in office, when terrorists killed americans, his only thoughts were on Ms. Goodhead.

Are we ever going to get over it? Ever? You completely disregard sMiLeYz's points and go off on your own rant. The least you could do is refrain from quoting him if you're not even going to respond to his (valid) comments.

Given choices:

a) sex-starved president goes to war under the false pretense of "national security" while the US economy is floundering like a beached whale
and
b) sexaholic Clinton "gets a BJ" while we are in our most prosperous period EVER

I choose (b).

Aside from Harvey Pitt, his methodology to prevent another catastrophe is being employed in the PATRIOT acts and Cheney (who provided the framework for how the US should operate in this century). As for the economy, no president can turn back the "burst" after 8 years of inflated "growth," egged on by questionable accounting. The current economic climate is here to stay for a another 2 years, minimum.

HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

OMFG DUDE

Questionable accounting?? You must have a selective memory-- ask yourself who was responsible for Enron?




A: One of Bush's best friends, Ken Lay

 

[Deadtrees]

The biggest problem is that America, and Mr. Bush is only seeing what's gained from the war.
Bush gathered together Americans while disjointing the world.
Country of democracy became a dictator of the world.
Internally, Bush could be a good presidents. Externally, he's one of the worst since you know who.

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: DeadtreesExternally, he's one of the worst since you know who.

Of course you are referring to Bush Sr., his daddy?

 

[LunarRay]

The unemployment rate does not depict the actual unemployed only those who are still collecting on the twenty six weeks available. The actual rate is much higher... sources vary so I'll not quote one over the next.

Ever notice that Greenspan says we'll lower the rate 50 basis points and see what happens... it should cause X to increase and Y to moderate and Z should become zero... but, the economy is dynamic and a tweek here or there hardly ever makes the predicted happen... Is it possible the smartest brains in the Economic think tank can't figure out the macro affect of anything other than if you increase the debt you will pay more interest unless the rates go down... WE have smart bombs but not smart tweeks... or there are no smart tweeks... which is more likely...
Bush ain't to blame because he don't know how to fix it... if he did nothing at all what would occur... who knows for sure... so he does something... calculated to appease the greatest number of supporters and the job seeker... if unemployment goes down.. and it will because if less jobs are lost than people using up their allotment it goes down a poof Bush lowered unemployment... right...
Everyone won... reelect Bush...

 

[Nitemare]

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[modestninja]

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Can you tell me why President Bush is blamed for high unemployment at 6 % when.

Canada's April Jobless Rate Jumps to 7.5 Pct

French Unemployment Climbs to 9.3 Percent

German unemployment on the rise, again - to 10.7 percent

Euro-Zone Unemployment Rises in March - rose to 8.7 %


If you are going to blame a leader of a country for unemployment it looks as if President Bush should be praised for the lower than other countries numbers.
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Your referal to Canada's unemployment rate isn't a valid comparaison. Canada's unemployment rate is always higher that the US's because a lot more of the jobs in Canada are seasonal jobs, so people don't work for several months a year, thus raising overall unemployment.

The main problem I have with Bush is his stance on several issues:

He wants to make "useful" nuclear weapons (mini nukes to destroy bunkers and such).

His tax cuts leading to the largest deficit ever (about $140 Billion more than the previous record largest).

His horrible environmental policies.

The questionable judges that he has tried to appoint.

His continued overfunding of the military while people go without basica health care and education funding dwindles.

His "posturing" as a great military man (speech on the aircraft carrier) when he like Clinton didn't serve in the military.

I would continue, but my hands are getting sore and I'm getting too depressed.