A nice pic I took today - opinions?

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Hey, why don't you read the thread and respond to the response FilmCamera gave you earlier to your challenge?

I did and i have. If you follow those links MANY of them apply the same rules of which im speaking. The others are just sh!tty cliky, clicks. To me, this is a clear indication that FilmCamera doesnt even understand the basics. Can the rules be broken? Yes, but they are applied 99% of the time for a reason.

I don't see you addressing those example pics at all until this post.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Hey Homercles why don't you put up some of your award-winning follow-all-the-rules photos?

Hey n00b, why dont you read the thread before posting?

With a username like FilmCamera you are awfully dense about SIMPLE rules of composition. Many of the pics in your links above actually apply these simple rules, the others just suck.

Perhaps you should try reading.

I actually posted that comment before your other post was listed.

I know that those photos are not the greatest photos in the world, but no they do not follow all the "rules" and you should read the satire one as it has photos from some quite famous photogs.

Hey n00b, you dont get it do you? The OP posted a sh!tty clicky, click masquerading as a quality photo that could have been signifcantly improved by following the simpliest rules. That is my tenent and has been since post #1. Can the simple rules be broken, of course you dope (however based on your links i doubt you even understand the BASICS). Should the rules have been broken with the OPs sh!tty clicky, click? No. There is a reason that rules are used 99% of the time. So n00b, how about some links to your astonishing clicky, clicks where you break the simple rules?

Disclaimer: I am not, nor will I ever be a photographer

So your argument is that the OP sucks at photography and shouldn't have posted his pic (which was not bad IMO) because it broke a rule he wasn't even aware of? If the OP wants to post a pic, he damn well can. The fact that you don't like it doesn't give you permission to go on a "I AM TEH SH!T" trip and rub it in the OP's face. A quality photo is in the eye of the beholder, not some Junior High textbook.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Hey Homercles why don't you put up some of your award-winning follow-all-the-rules photos?

Hey n00b, why dont you read the thread before posting?

With a username like FilmCamera you are awfully dense about SIMPLE rules of composition. Many of the pics in your links above actually apply these simple rules, the others just suck.

Perhaps you should try reading.

I actually posted that comment before your other post was listed.

I know that those photos are not the greatest photos in the world, but no they do not follow all the "rules" and you should read the satire one as it has photos from some quite famous photogs.

Hey n00b, you dont get it do you? The OP posted a sh!tty clicky, click masquerading as a quality photo that could have been signifcantly improved by following the simpliest rules. That is my tenent and has been since post #1. Can the simple rules be broken, of course you dope (however based on your links i doubt you even understand the BASICS). Should the rules have been broken with the OPs sh!tty clicky, click? No. There is a reason that rules are used 99% of the time. So n00b, how about some links to your astonishing clicky, clicks where you break the simple rules?

My whole point was that you are a freaking jerk. I think you've made that quite clear yourself.

When I shoot landscapes I don't even give any rules any consideration. I shoot solely based off of what I think looks good. Sure they can fit rules but I don't actively think about it when shooting. Here's an example of one of my photos:

http://picsorban.com/upload/yosemitefalls.jpg

Hmm, nice pic. Too bad you apply the SIMPLE rules and fail at reading my request. How about one that is "astounding" while splitting the horizon?

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Someone's going for dumbest poster award

Go try taking some photos and come back, than tell us about it Dont you realize that what makes someone special is DIFFERING from the others? You wont make it anywhere if you keep following your "rules"... The brilliant photos are those that were supposed to be done in X way, but the photographer was smart enough to do it in Y and pull a masterpiece

 

[Kirby]

A correct and polite response to the OP would be such, "Hey, good effort. You may want to try such and such or whatever." You don't have to be fvcking prick.

 

[irishScott]

Homercies is doing the equivalent of telling a bunch of guys playing pick up football that they are doing it wrong because he read a kiddie league playbook.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Hey Homercles why don't you put up some of your award-winning follow-all-the-rules photos?

Hey n00b, why dont you read the thread before posting?

With a username like FilmCamera you are awfully dense about SIMPLE rules of composition. Many of the pics in your links above actually apply these simple rules, the others just suck.

Perhaps you should try reading.

I actually posted that comment before your other post was listed.

I know that those photos are not the greatest photos in the world, but no they do not follow all the "rules" and you should read the satire one as it has photos from some quite famous photogs.

Hey n00b, you dont get it do you? The OP posted a sh!tty clicky, click masquerading as a quality photo that could have been signifcantly improved by following the simpliest rules. That is my tenent and has been since post #1. Can the simple rules be broken, of course you dope (however based on your links i doubt you even understand the BASICS). Should the rules have been broken with the OPs sh!tty clicky, click? No. There is a reason that rules are used 99% of the time. So n00b, how about some links to your astonishing clicky, clicks where you break the simple rules?

My whole point was that you are a freaking jerk. I think you've made that quite clear yourself.

When I shoot landscapes I don't even give any rules any consideration. I shoot solely based off of what I think looks good. Sure they can fit rules but I don't actively think about it when shooting. Here's an example of one of my photos:

http://picsorban.com/upload/yosemitefalls.jpg

QFT

If it looks good who gives a crap about your rules... Nice photo btw

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Hey, why don't you read the thread and respond to the response FilmCamera gave you earlier to your challenge?

I did and i have. If you follow those links MANY of them apply the same rules of which im speaking. The others are just sh!tty cliky, clicks. To me, this is a clear indication that FilmCamera doesnt even understand the basics. Can the rules be broken? Yes, but they are applied 99% of the time for a reason.

I don't see you addressing those example pics at all until this post.

It was a short sentence. See my first post page 3.

With a username like FilmCamera you are awfully dense about SIMPLE rules of composition. Many of the pics in your links above actually apply these simple rules, the others just suck.

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Hey Homercles why don't you put up some of your award-winning follow-all-the-rules photos?

Hey n00b, why dont you read the thread before posting?

With a username like FilmCamera you are awfully dense about SIMPLE rules of composition. Many of the pics in your links above actually apply these simple rules, the others just suck.

Perhaps you should try reading.

I actually posted that comment before your other post was listed.

I know that those photos are not the greatest photos in the world, but no they do not follow all the "rules" and you should read the satire one as it has photos from some quite famous photogs.

Hey n00b, you dont get it do you? The OP posted a sh!tty clicky, click masquerading as a quality photo that could have been signifcantly improved by following the simpliest rules. That is my tenent and has been since post #1. Can the simple rules be broken, of course you dope (however based on your links i doubt you even understand the BASICS). Should the rules have been broken with the OPs sh!tty clicky, click? No. There is a reason that rules are used 99% of the time. So n00b, how about some links to your astonishing clicky, clicks where you break the simple rules?

My whole point was that you are a freaking jerk. I think you've made that quite clear yourself.

When I shoot landscapes I don't even give any rules any consideration. I shoot solely based off of what I think looks good. Sure they can fit rules but I don't actively think about it when shooting. Here's an example of one of my photos:

http://picsorban.com/upload/yosemitefalls.jpg

QFT

If it looks good who gives a crap about your rules... Nice photo btw

I think he gave a crap about the "rules" homer was talking about...just unconsciously as any good picture maker should.

 

[FilmCamera]

Well here's one with the subject centered mostly:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0220_480.jpg

How about this one:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0974_480.jpg

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0091_480.jpg

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0428_480.jpg

 

[PHiuR]

Homer, why don't you look at my photo...it breaks all the rules, center subject, glare in window...lemme know what you think

several post ^

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
QFT

If it looks good who gives a crap about your rules... Nice photo btw

Agreed, i really like this pic. BUT the damn rules are applied. See my post above. What is so hard for people to understand about this? Yea for stupidity. :thumbsup:

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Well here's one with the subject centered mostly:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0220_480.jpg

How about this one:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0974_480.jpg

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0091_480.jpg

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0428_480.jpg

nice photos, better use of the flare than the OPs picture.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Well here's one with the subject centered mostly:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0220_480.jpg

How about this one:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0974_480.jpg

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0091_480.jpg

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0428_480.jpg

WOW, did you take those pics?
They aproach fuzzybunny quality.
Outstanding work.

 

[FilmCamera]

Originally posted by: PHiuR
I think he gave a crap about the "rules" homer was talking about...just unconsciously as any good picture maker should.

Yeah I'm not saying it doesn't follow the rules. I have just developed an eye for composition. But photographers can take photos that don't follow rules but still make good compositions. I believe it's less about rules and more about the end results. And the "rules" are just guidelines to help point you in the right direction or to help you develop a sense of what is a good composition and what isn't.

My whole gripe is that homercles was just such a jerk to the guy even though he is out there and trying and all. Very very few people just pickup a camera and immediately start taking good photos with excellent compositions. It takes practice. Anyone who wants to take photos and is trying should be encouraged as I think it is a most excellent endeavor. If everyone had just been a jerk to me about my work then I wouldn't be where I am today. Most photographers that I have spoken with are very critical of their own work, myself included. We don't need anyone else to come around and say "YOU SUCK YOU CLICKY CLICKY CLICKER!" Esepcially when that person has no field experience as a photographer. I don't even think that you can offer constructive criticism unless you have that experience. Reading books or websites to learn the basic "rules" of composition doesn't make you a photographer.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Well here's one with the subject centered mostly:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0220_480.jpg

Where is your horizon?

How about this one:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0974_480.jpg

Where is your horizon?

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0091_480.jpg

Where is your horizon?

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0428_480.jpg

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Where is your horizon?

Point me to the post where i said centering your subject violates simple rules. This entire thread i have been arguing that splitting the horizon is bad composition.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Hey, why don't you read the thread and respond to the response FilmCamera gave you earlier to your challenge?

I did and i have. If you follow those links MANY of them apply the same rules of which im speaking. The others are just sh!tty cliky, clicks. To me, this is a clear indication that FilmCamera doesnt even understand the basics. Can the rules be broken? Yes, but they are applied 99% of the time for a reason.

I don't see you addressing those example pics at all until this post.

It was a short sentence. See my first post page 3.

With a username like FilmCamera you are awfully dense about SIMPLE rules of composition. Many of the pics in your links above actually apply these simple rules, the others just suck.

I'm still on page one (including this post) :shiftyeyes;

 

[FilmCamera]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Well here's one with the subject centered mostly:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0220_480.jpg

How about this one:

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0974_480.jpg

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0091_480.jpg

http://www.mountainlight.com/AA-images/aa_0428_480.jpg

WOW, did you take those pics?
They aproach fuzzybunny quality.
Outstanding work.

No, go to the website. It's from Mountain Light Photography. The person who took these was Galen Rowell who is unfortunately no longer walking this world. He was one of the greatest landscape photographers of all time. I think that he did for color photos what Ansel Adams did for B&W. They are both some of the best and also inspire me in my work.

If you are ever in or near Bishop, CA on the eastern side of the sierras I highly recommend you stop by his gallery and take a look.

 

[FilmCamera]

Originally posted by: homercles337
Where is your horizon?

Point me to the post where i said centering your subject violates simple rules. This entire thread i have been arguing that splitting the horizon is bad composition.

Centering the subject does violate one of the "rules."


But fine...here:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5406/570/320/poi%20abell.jpg

If you had bothered to look through the stuff I linked you would have found that.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: PHiuR
Homer, why don't you look at my photo...it breaks all the rules, center subject, glare in window...lemme know what you think

several post ^

Yea, i saw it in this thread and your original post a couple weeks ago . I like it (and like your other photos in that thread), but you have to understand that im really focusing on landscape pics here. Also, i have said that rules are not hard, breaking them can result in great photos. However, i doubt i have EVER seen a landscape photo that was great while splitting the horizon.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337
Where is your horizon?

Point me to the post where i said centering your subject violates simple rules. This entire thread i have been arguing that splitting the horizon is bad composition.

Centering the subject does violate one of the "rules."


But fine...here:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5406/570/320/poi%20abell.jpg

If you had bothered to look through the stuff I linked you would have found that.

Yes, i saw that photo and it looks very amateurish. If i took that cliky, click i definately would not parade it as an example of composition.

 

[FilmCamera]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: PHiuR
Homer, why don't you look at my photo...it breaks all the rules, center subject, glare in window...lemme know what you think

several post ^

Yea, i saw it in this thread and your original post a couple weeks ago . I like it (and like your other photos in that thread), but you have to understand that im really focusing on landscape pics here. Also, i have said that rules are not hard, breaking them can result in great photos. However, i doubt i have EVER seen a landscape photo that was great while splitting the horizon.

http://picsorban.com/view.php?pic=dvlandscape.jpg

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
A correct and polite response to the OP would be such, "Hey, good effort. You may want to try such and such or whatever." You don't have to be fvcking prick.

Actually, harsh criticism does not bother me - so long as it is vulgar - which his wasn't. The only thing I don't understand is if he is a photographer himself (which he has said he is not). I am by no means a professional either, but I have taken over 45,000 images in less than 3 years. While I agree that many are 'snapshots' of my kid and such - I have several thousand pictures I have experimented with artistically.

My intention in the 1st photo did not have anything to do with the rule of thirds. I wanted to break the beauty of the sunset with the starkness and interjection of the tree. The metal building, I can clone that out later - almost inconsequential imo.

I am perfectly capable of framing a picture by someone else's guidelines.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/188331132/in/set-72157594380520179/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/187054480/in/set-72157594380513688/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/195275924/in/set-72157594380513688/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/128999916/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/186849274/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/183010489/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/181344223/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/207371662/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/195845259/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/episodic/226584408/

When I took the picture above - I was actually thinking of Emily Dickinson's poem, "I heard a fly buzz" - specifically the part where the sound of the fly interposed as her windows failed. I was thinking of the tree as the fly interposing my window.

O well, thanks for those that like it. Thanks for the criticism, even from the person everyone is arguing with.

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: PHiuR
I think he gave a crap about the "rules" homer was talking about...just unconsciously as any good picture maker should.

Yeah I'm not saying it doesn't follow the rules. I have just developed an eye for composition. But photographers can take photos that don't follow rules but still make good compositions. I believe it's less about rules and more about the end results. And the "rules" are just guidelines to help point you in the right direction or to help you develop a sense of what is a good composition and what isn't.

My whole gripe is that homercles was just such a jerk to the guy even though he is out there and trying and all. Very very few people just pickup a camera and immediately start taking good photos with excellent compositions. It takes practice. Anyone who wants to take photos and is trying should be encouraged as I think it is a most excellent endeavor. If everyone had just been a jerk to me about my work then I wouldn't be where I am today. Most photographers that I have spoken with are very critical of their own work, myself included. We don't need anyone else to come around and say "YOU SUCK YOU CLICKY CLICKY CLICKER!" Esepcially when that person has no field experience as a photographer. I don't even think that you can offer constructive criticism unless you have that experience. Reading books or websites to learn the basic "rules" of composition doesn't make you a photographer.

I agree with you that homer comes off as an asshole, but overall I think he's just trying to help.

We must learn the rules before we break them. We need to know why the rules are there in the first place. As you said people shouldn't offer criticism if they don't have experience/good examples. I agree, you should defintely take in information from someone who has excellent work that you, yourself look up to. Finally, yes, reading up on websites and books does not make you a photographer, perhaps thats why homer said he doesn't consider himself a photographer.

I don't mean to defend him in most of my posts, but it seems like everyone is attacking him because he didn't "take it easy" on OP. OP, just learn that any criticism even if it's rude and mean will you help become a better *"photographer"*

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: FilmCamera

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: PHiuR
Homer, why don't you look at my photo...it breaks all the rules, center subject, glare in window...lemme know what you think

several post ^

Yea, i saw it in this thread and your original post a couple weeks ago . I like it (and like your other photos in that thread), but you have to understand that im really focusing on landscape pics here. Also, i have said that rules are not hard, breaking them can result in great photos. However, i doubt i have EVER seen a landscape photo that was great while splitting the horizon.

http://picsorban.com/view.php?pic=dvlandscape.jpg

Please tell me you dont think that is a great pic. Please. Or else change your username.