Hey guys after spending every waking moment on IGN and trying to watch every live feed possible from E3 on the next gen console I noticed that they support HDTV and that its one of the key selling points for the consoles. Now when it comes to tv i'm an absolute newb, but is HDTV only regular tv but at a higher resolution? And is it possible to get HDTV on my computer monitor? Because that way when these next gen consoles hit the shelves I won't have to worry about buying a HDTV and could just use my monitor, thats only if its a resolution issue.
A newb's question about HDTV
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It is a new standard of television that not only inclused better resolution but native 5.1 surround sound in the feed. A tv must say HDTV ready/compatible not EDTV or progressive scan capable (because there is a standard definition progressive scan at around 480P. 480 lines of progressive video (480 lines per frame). 480p60 refers to 60 frames per second; 480p30 refers to 30 frames per second; and 480p24 refers to 24 frames per second (film source). Usually refers to 720 x 480 (or 704 x 480) resolution. A standard digital television is capable of this.
720p means that the resolution of the picture is 1,280 vertical pixels by 720 horizontal pixels and p stands for progressive scanning. Progressive scanning offers a smoother picture as 720 horizontal lines are scanned progressively or in succession in a vertical frame that is repeated 30 times a second (Google) Only HDTV
1080i means that the resolution of the picture is 1920 vertical pixels by 1080 horizontal pixels and i stands for interlaced scanning. Interlaced scanning is based on the principle that the screen shows every odd line at one scan of the screen and then all the even lines in a second scan (Google) Only HDTV
Both are possible depending on your monitor.
Most new HDTV's come with either 720P or 1080i capability (usually a separate tuner is necessary). Some very high end tv's (have 1080P capability but very expensive)
1080p means that the resolution of the picture is 1,920 vertical pixels by 1,080 horizontal pixels and p stands again for progressive scanning. This format works on the same principle as 720p; the only difference is that in this type there are more pixels and the resolution is better. (Google) Very rare indeed.
Good overview
If you have a fairly modern PC you should have no problem playing 720P (Anything over about 2000mghrtz (Intel or AMD equiv) with a decent video card (I am talking less than 9600 pro) but 1080i requires a little more horsepower (Anything over 3ghrtz (Intel and AMD equiv) with 32meg graphics card (9600pro and up)
Some download samples of 720P and 1080i
720p means that the resolution of the picture is 1,280 vertical pixels by 720 horizontal pixels and p stands for progressive scanning. Progressive scanning offers a smoother picture as 720 horizontal lines are scanned progressively or in succession in a vertical frame that is repeated 30 times a second (Google) Only HDTV
1080i means that the resolution of the picture is 1920 vertical pixels by 1080 horizontal pixels and i stands for interlaced scanning. Interlaced scanning is based on the principle that the screen shows every odd line at one scan of the screen and then all the even lines in a second scan (Google) Only HDTV
Both are possible depending on your monitor.
Most new HDTV's come with either 720P or 1080i capability (usually a separate tuner is necessary). Some very high end tv's (have 1080P capability but very expensive)
1080p means that the resolution of the picture is 1,920 vertical pixels by 1,080 horizontal pixels and p stands again for progressive scanning. This format works on the same principle as 720p; the only difference is that in this type there are more pixels and the resolution is better. (Google) Very rare indeed.
Good overview
If you have a fairly modern PC you should have no problem playing 720P (Anything over about 2000mghrtz (Intel or AMD equiv) with a decent video card (I am talking less than 9600 pro) but 1080i requires a little more horsepower (Anything over 3ghrtz (Intel and AMD equiv) with 32meg graphics card (9600pro and up)
Some download samples of 720P and 1080i
Well I have a P4 2.8c, a Radeon 9800 on a 19" LG Flatron 915FT monitor, now I would assume taht I could watch on a 720p but would be a bit worse if I watch a 1080i? Also to actually get HD into my computer I would need a catpure card, now would any capture card be good or do I need a special ie. a more exp one 
?
One of my friends has a cheap Radeon capture card and he ran Metal Gear Solid on it and it looked pretty bad, it was really pixely and he has the same comp I do. Now if he were to run a HD game on a next gen system would it be a lot clearer?
?One of my friends has a cheap Radeon capture card and he ran Metal Gear Solid on it and it looked pretty bad, it was really pixely and he has the same comp I do. Now if he were to run a HD game on a next gen system would it be a lot clearer?
I don't know as much about trying to capture HDTV to your computer from a tuner feed. I would assume that the HDTV tuner would need to have DVI out or your Computer video capture care would need HDTV inputs (or DCHI or DVI) (I think that is it, I am tired so it has to do). Your 19 inch LCD should definitely do 720P. Put chanding the native resolution can have disturbing effects on your screen so you mave have to watch the video in a box. Download a video from the site I linked to and let me know how it goes on your screen. Remember, you need a tuner to get HDTV, so make sure to research the tuner you get, unless you get it from a Satellite company, and determine what outputs each company has that would allow you to capture it on you computer.
Actually its a CRT, and I just watched a clip on 720p and it looked gorgeous, so if i could find a capture card that could capture that and display it on my monitor I would be set.
Microsoft has a lot of free demo content in WMV-HD format.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/window...ent_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/window...ent_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx
hehe thats the same link that micheal just posted, i've tried them and they look amzing but could i get that from a next gen console if I use any run of the millcapture card?
You can think of gaming on TV vs HDTV and detail gained in terms of resolution.
What would Doom3 look like playing in a 1600x1200 window? Make it widescreen and that's essentially 1080i.
What would Doom3 look like playing in a 1024x768 window? Make it widescreen and that's essentially 720p.
What would Doom3 look like playing in a 640x480 window? That's essentially standard TV (with half the screen updating at a time).
Remember, you're going from 2 million pixels of detail, down to 921,600 pixels and then down to 337,920 with each step. (I'm ignoring the progressive vs interlaced debate here for ease of discussion).
Watching normal TV on your monitor in full screen just upsizes that 704x480 image (low resolution) to fit your (higher) screen resolution. It looks blocky and ugly because it's very hard to "add detail" / smooth / deinterlace with the resolution change for realtime video.
Watching HDTV on your monitor looks great in fullscreen because it's much easier to downscale a higher resolution to the lower resolution of your monitor. You're seeing the full amount of detail your monitor can show. Get a nice HDTV display and you're seeing the full amount of detail in the video too. (That's in part why the Dell 2405FPW is such an awesome monitor.)
As for TV watching, odds are your local TV stations are broadcasting free OTA HDTV in your area right now (and probably have been for a couple of years now). There are a bunch of HDTV capture cards for the computer with different strengths and weaknesses. The commons ones can be as expensive as $300 (for a USB solution) to as little as $90 (in PCI with MCE). For OTA, the tuner just plugs into a normal antenna like any other TV viewing device. HDTV from a cable box/satellite can be a bit trickier.
What would Doom3 look like playing in a 1600x1200 window? Make it widescreen and that's essentially 1080i.
What would Doom3 look like playing in a 1024x768 window? Make it widescreen and that's essentially 720p.
What would Doom3 look like playing in a 640x480 window? That's essentially standard TV (with half the screen updating at a time).
Remember, you're going from 2 million pixels of detail, down to 921,600 pixels and then down to 337,920 with each step. (I'm ignoring the progressive vs interlaced debate here for ease of discussion).
Watching normal TV on your monitor in full screen just upsizes that 704x480 image (low resolution) to fit your (higher) screen resolution. It looks blocky and ugly because it's very hard to "add detail" / smooth / deinterlace with the resolution change for realtime video.
Watching HDTV on your monitor looks great in fullscreen because it's much easier to downscale a higher resolution to the lower resolution of your monitor. You're seeing the full amount of detail your monitor can show. Get a nice HDTV display and you're seeing the full amount of detail in the video too. (That's in part why the Dell 2405FPW is such an awesome monitor.)
As for TV watching, odds are your local TV stations are broadcasting free OTA HDTV in your area right now (and probably have been for a couple of years now). There are a bunch of HDTV capture cards for the computer with different strengths and weaknesses. The commons ones can be as expensive as $300 (for a USB solution) to as little as $90 (in PCI with MCE). For OTA, the tuner just plugs into a normal antenna like any other TV viewing device. HDTV from a cable box/satellite can be a bit trickier.
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Well I fianally grasped the concept of HDTV, now all I want to focus on is getting a good capture card that will show me HDTV programming, any newegg links anyone ?
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