A newbie overclocker - that's me.

VIAN

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Ok, I know that you can increase bus speed and multipliers, but how does voltage help? Is there anything else I'm missing?

In case of memory, is there any way to overclock it? What does increasing the voltage do to the memory? Can you explain the ratios 5:4 and 1:1? Is there anything else I'm missing?
 

kyparrish

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in it's simplest form, increasing voltage to a component increases the power it has to work with (be careful, because this also increases heat which is bad for components)

so, if you increase voltage to your cpu, theoretically, you can run it at a faster speed (to an extent), since it has more power...the same goes for your Ram

as far as the ratios go, it just shows how fast the cpu and memory run in relation to each other....for example, at a 5:4 ratio, cpu bus speed can be running at 200mhz, while the ram is only running at 160mhz (a 5:4 ratio)

as far as the amd chips go, they show the best performance at a 1:1 (synchronous) ratio, where the cpu bus and the memory run at the same speed...lots of people with P4's however, find that it is beneficial to run their ram at a 5:4 ratio so that the cpu can run as fast as possible, even at the cost of the ram not running as fast. I believe the reason for this is that P4's have a MUCH higher memory bandwidth than Athlon's, but perhaps someone with a P4 can explain that better

/me goes back to my 1:1 mobile barton @ 11.5x204
 

VIAN

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how do you overclock the RAM, in the BIOS I see bus overclocking and the multiplier and RAM voltage and CPU voltage, but where can I really Overclock the RAM? Will increasing the voltage help with memory timings or will it actually make it worse?

Thanks for the help.
 

Jeff7181

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CPU's are made up of transistors. Transistors are electrical switches, they're either on or off. Whether they're on or off depends on voltage differentials... higher voltage is on, lower voltage is off. When the length of time between on and off is only billionths of a second, the on off signal isn't as clear. Higher voltage makes that signal more clear.

When the speed of a CPU is increased, it also requires more current, which doesn't directly have anything to do with voltage, but if you're getting to the point where you're stressing the componants that deliver power to the CPU, your voltage will drop because of the extra current draw. Increasing voltage may fix that problem, but not completely since the componant delivering the power still can't provide enough wattage (volts x amps).

Then there's current leakage. As I understand it, current leaks all the time, there's no way around it. For this example, lets think of it in terms of amps per clock cycle per second. If you increase the clock cycles per second, you'll have more current leakage per second because there's less time between clock cycles for the voltage to stabilize which confuses the CPU because there's no clear on/off signal since so much current is leaking. So you increase the voltage in order to make that signal clear again. As we know, voltage is electrical pressure. Increasing the pressure increases the amount of leakage as well, but not enough to offset the benefit of the clearer signal provided by the extra voltage.

Increasing voltage to the memory does the same thing, since RAM operates at a certain frequency as well, and increasing that frequency (overclocking the RAM) decreases the clarity of the signal, so increasing the voltage also increases the signal clarity.
There's also another way to overclock RAM... with the timings. I can't remember what each specification means exactly, but basically, lower timings are better (with the exception of nForce2 motherboards that prefer a tRAS setting of 11 because of the design of the memory controller), and the numbers represent clock cycles. For example... I belive the CAS latency you see advertised is actually called the CAS to RAS latency, which is the number of clock cycles required between accessing a column, and then accessing a row. You see half numbers, like 2.5, because DDR RAM transmits data twice per clock cycles, so, 2 clock cycles pass, where 4 wait states occurr because there's no data to transmit yet, then another wait state occurrs because there still isn't any data to transmit, but half way through the 3rd clock cycle, data can be transmitted on the falling side of that 3rd clock cycle.

Memory ratios are the relationship between the FSB speed and the RAM speed. FSB:RAM
Also, it should be stated that P4's have higher memory bandwidth than Athlon XP's Because an Athlon64 FX has about the same memory bandwidth as a P4. The reason running the P4's RAM slower than the FSB doesn't hurt performance is because the P4 at it's current speeds doesn't need a full 6.4 GB/s of memory bandwidth, which is what a dual channel 800 Mhz FSB Pentium 4 has at it's disposal. If you look back at the 533 Mhz bus P4's, you'll see that the 533 Mhz bus has about 4.2 GB/s of bandwidth on the FSB... and back before the P4's had dual memory channels, PC3200 RAM, which has 3.2 GB/s bandwidth wasn't enough to feed the Pentium 4's 533 Mhz bus. That's why overclocking the FSB and RAM of the 533 Mhz bus P4 made such a huge difference in performance, it was severely starved for memory bandwidth.

Hopefully I explained that clear enough that you now understand the purpose of increasing the voltage. If not, sorry, that's the best I can explain it =)

*EDIT* Increasing voltage to the RAM won't necessarily help you run lower timings. I stress that now because I have Mushkin PC3500 Level 1 RAM running 218 Mhz @ 2-3-3-11 on 2.6 volts. It's perfectly stable. Increasing the voltage to 2.7 volts causes Prime 95 to error immediately, and 3DMark crashes to the desktop. So... increasing the voltage to the RAM won't always help... and this is why overclocking is not an exact science. It takes some trial and error... as well as knowledge of what to try, and how to determine where the error is.

(sorry for the many edits, I keep thinking of things I want to ad, lol)
 

VIAN

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Thanks, that helped.

For some reason, overclocking the RAM will only work with 2-3-3-6. If I mess with the memory timings, such as making them higher, the computer will stall. I have the single-channel version of the board, no dual-channel is available.

Anyway, this is where I'm finally at with my Thoroughbred B.

Original Specs.

AMD AXP 2700+ 2158MHz@166x13
PCMark2002:
CPU - 6489
Memory - 4111

Sisandra reported CPU being a bit quicker than the 2800 Barton.

New Overclocked Specs.

AMD AXP 2185MHz@190x11.5

Sisandra reported CPU being quicker than the 3000+, but slower than the 3200+, sometimes performing similar. Maybe this would be classified as a 3100+.