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A New Poverty Draft: Military Contractors Target Latin America For New Recruits

BBond

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A New Poverty Draft: Military Contractors Target Latin America For New Recruits

With the situation in Iraq becoming more and more deadly and the resistance gaining increasing popular support inside the country, the Bush administration has begun sending thousands more US troops to Baghdad. But many question how many more troops the administration can afford to send, or more important, how many soldiers it can send. The US military is facing an unprecedented crisis in recruiting numbers and new enlistments. Meanwhile, new Pentagon statistics show that more than 5,000 soldiers have now been charged with desertion from bases in the U.S. and overseas since the invasion of Iraq in early 2003.

In some circles, there is talk of a return to the draft, though most analysts say that is unlikely in the near future. But it is not just the military that is facing difficulty in recruiting people to deploy to Iraq. Private contractors are also facing a serious personnel crisis, particularly given the danger of the situation and the fact that kidnappings and beheadings have become a regular part of the reality in occupied Iraq. Now, private US corporations have begun recruiting outside of the country. In recent months companies like Halliburton have launched ad campaigns and recruiting drives in several Latin American countries, promising huge salaries for fighting age men and women to serve in Iraq. Among the countries being targeted are El Salvador, Colombia and Nicaragua.

 
Those companies need private security.

Many ex-military are in the Latinn Countries due to "retirement" and cost of living. Also, this keeps them out of the media sights.

They (contractors) are not looking for cheap labor, they are looking for experienced people to help secure their projects.

The title of the article is misleading and biased.
 
These aren't retired Amerians they are recruiting. They are recruiting Latin Americans at ~1/5 the salary of Americans. Serious recruiting problems in the U.S. both for the military and the "contractors" are making this next step in the back door draft necessary.

 
How awful, they are offering jobs to people in poor countries at rates that are attractive to those people.

Shameful. We should outlaw companies from hiring people altogether, that would prevent this kind of predatory crap for sure!

:::ROLL:::

Jason
 
The companies are offering pay for a service. The people are free to chose to accept that offer or not.

How is this a draft?
 
Originally posted by: Centinel
The companies are offering pay for a service. The people are free to chose to accept that offer or not.

How is this a draft?

It's a draft because they are going to Latin American countries, recruiting former military, and using them as mercenaries to hide the need for a draft.

Add to this stop loss and extending tours and you have a back door draft.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Centinel
The companies are offering pay for a service. The people are free to chose to accept that offer or not.

How is this a draft?

It's a draft because they are going to Latin American countries, recruiting former military, and using them as mercenaries to hide the need for a draft.

Add to this stop loss and extending tours and you have a back door draft.

uh you're really reaching there man. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Centinel
The companies are offering pay for a service. The people are free to chose to accept that offer or not.

How is this a draft?

It's a draft because they are going to Latin American countries, recruiting former military, and using them as mercenaries to hide the need for a draft.

Add to this stop loss and extending tours and you have a back door draft.

uh you're really reaching there man. 🙂

Uh yeah, I'm gonna have to agree. In a draft, you don't get the option to say "no thanks!" and walk away.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Centinel
The companies are offering pay for a service. The people are free to chose to accept that offer or not.

How is this a draft?

It's a draft because they are going to Latin American countries, recruiting former military, and using them as mercenaries to hide the need for a draft.

Add to this stop loss and extending tours and you have a back door draft.

uh you're really reaching there man. 🙂

No reach. Instead of going into Iraq with the 500,000 troops the Pentagon brass said were necessary, the Bush administration and Rumsfeld went in with far too few. Their fantasy Iraqi flower brigade turned out to be a guerilla war that they are unprepared for because they don't have the troops to secure Iraq. They've lost over a full division in KIA and WIA and they don't DARE institute a draft although they clearly need to to replace the losses they are suffering. Instead of a draft they are rotating the same troops in and out of Iraq like revolving door and using "contractors" to fill in the blanks. Now they can't get enough people to work in Iraq for the contractors so they're going to Latin America to enlist the former military thugs trained at places like the School of the Americas.

It's a back door draft. Period. If they didn't take all these outrageous measures to fill the ranks they'd be drafting U.S. kids right out of high school, just like Nam. And that's what I'm predicting will ultimately take place. I wonder how many Americans will support Bush once their kids are being drafter for duty in Iraq?

 
So let me get this right:

If you offer something to someone, and they are free to take it or leave it, that is against their will?

Umm..i'm not getting the logic here.

Maybe it's just me.
 
Contractors are not asking for combatants. The article states that they are looking for ex-military experience.

Twisting words that the article twists does not show the point. Nothing is being stated regarding the draft, that is just the authors of the article trying to strech the facts to create interesting headline for the article.
 
Originally posted by: Centinel
So let me get this right:

If you offer something to someone, and they are free to take it or leave it, that is against their will?

Umm..i'm not getting the logic here.

Maybe it's just me.

When you can't fulfill your recruitment quotas at home and you enlist foreign nationals to fill the gap that's a back door draft. We're not talking about outsourcing computer jobs here. We're outsourcing our military.



 
But how is that a draft?

A draft, by definition, is recruiting civilians for military service against their will, for the good of the nation.

These people are being offered salaries, and then the decision of whether or not to take it.

How is this a draft?
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Jason's resonse is as incorrect as yours, so I'm not surprised.

And in what sense is it incorrect? As I recall from the Vietnam draft, soldiers weren't given a CHOICE. These people in South America ARE. That's a WORLD of difference. Your definition is *beyond* a stretch.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: Centinel
But how is that a draft?

A draft, by definition, is recruiting civilians for military service against their will, for the good of the nation.

These people are being offered salaries, and then the decision of whether or not to take it.

How is this a draft?

Again, it is a back door draft, just like stop loss and extended tours, because it is done to forestall the draft.

Without rotating the same troops in and out of Iraq, extending tours, and recruiting foreign nationals for service in Iraq we would be forced to begin conscription. Therefore it is for all intents and purposes a draft.

The military offers salaries and possible recruits decide whether or not to take it. They are deciding not to take it. Bush won't institute a draft until there is absolutely no other option left. So they are using "creative" methods to fill the gap. A back door draft.

 
A draft is forcing people to serve.

They are not doing so, therefore it is not a draft, by defintion.

Why can you not understand this simple logical concept?

 
"democracynow.org", another loudmouthed leftist group, obtained the Latin American recruiting info from this Washington Post article.

As usual, old chap, your reasoning is flawed. One is free to either accept or reject such an offer. Just because you believe $36,000 is insufficient pay for services rendered does not necessarily mean an El Salvadoran thinks the same way.

Furthermore, American companies recruit Americans for similar tasks over there. Blackwater. . . . . Vinnell. . . . . .

Once again, you are dismissed.
 
Doing something to prevent the need for a draft is not the equivalent to instituting a draft, "back door" or otherwise.

A Draft is a bad thing because it is involuntary. This is not involuntary.

If they tripled soldier compensation in order to encourage greater enlistment, would that also be a back door draft?

If they cut military spending in order to cut back the deficit, would that be a back door tax?

You are right, this might show that the US military is a bit stretched, and that that stretching might (although I see it as unlikely) lead someday to a draft, this is not that yet.

To call it a draft is as much scaremongering as saying that "terrorists want to take away our freedoms."
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Centinel
So let me get this right:

If you offer something to someone, and they are free to take it or leave it, that is against their will?

Umm..i'm not getting the logic here.

Maybe it's just me.

When you can't fulfill your recruitment quotas at home and you enlist foreign nationals to fill the gap that's a back door draft. We're not talking about outsourcing computer jobs here. We're outsourcing our military.

That's STILL not a draft, backdoor or otherwise. You can certainly call it "Outsourcing" our military and that's fair enough, but so what? Again, it's *still* not a draft.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: burnedout
"democracynow.org", another loudmouthed leftist group, obtained the Latin American recruiting info from this Washington Post article.

As usual, old chap, your reasoning is flawed. One is free to either accept or reject such an offer. Just because you believe $36,000 is insufficient pay for services rendered does not necessarily mean an El Salvadoran thinks the same way.

Furthermore, American companies recruit Americans for similar tasks over there. Blackwater. . . . . Vinnell. . . . . .

Once again, you are dismissed.

Democracy Now! isnt' a "group." It is the largest public media collaboration in the U.S. It is seen on over 300 stations. I'll take their word over loudmouth rightist "groups" like Faux News and the right wing fascist Rupert Murdoch anyday. There is more hard news reported in the first 3 minutes of Democray Now! than a full year of Faux News.

Americans companies are having the same difficulty recruiting Americans that the military is having. I wonder what the problem could be? That's why they are recruiting mercenaries from Latin America now. Don't you see any problem with the U.S. using mercenaries in an unprovoked invasion because they can't get Americans to go? Or is using mercenaries to wage aggression suddenly OK now? I know the U.S. didn't like it when the mercenaries were Huns hired by the British. Have we become the oppressive empire Great Britain was in 1776?

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Centinel
But how is that a draft?

A draft, by definition, is recruiting civilians for military service against their will, for the good of the nation.

These people are being offered salaries, and then the decision of whether or not to take it.

How is this a draft?

Again, it is a back door draft, just like stop loss and extended tours, because it is done to forestall the draft.

Without rotating the same troops in and out of Iraq, extending tours, and recruiting foreign nationals for service in Iraq we would be forced to begin conscription. Therefore it is for all intents and purposes a draft.

The military offers salaries and possible recruits decide whether or not to take it. They are deciding not to take it. Bush won't institute a draft until there is absolutely no other option left. So they are using "creative" methods to fill the gap. A back door draft.

You went to a school where they didn't teach you that words actually MEAN things, didn't you? 🙂

Jason

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: burnedout
"democracynow.org", another loudmouthed leftist group, obtained the Latin American recruiting info from this Washington Post article.

As usual, old chap, your reasoning is flawed. One is free to either accept or reject such an offer. Just because you believe $36,000 is insufficient pay for services rendered does not necessarily mean an El Salvadoran thinks the same way.

Furthermore, American companies recruit Americans for similar tasks over there. Blackwater. . . . . Vinnell. . . . . .

Once again, you are dismissed.

Democracy Now! isnt' a "group." It is the largest public media collaboration in the U.S. It is seen on over 300 stations. I'll take their word over loudmouth rightist "groups" like Faux News and the right wing fascist Rupert Murdoch anyday. There is more hard news reported in the first 3 minutes of Democray Now! than a full year of Faux News.

Americans companies are having the same difficulty recruiting Americans that the military is having. I wonder what the problem could be? That's why they are recruiting mercenaries from Latin America now. Don't you see any problem with the U.S. using mercenaries in an unprovoked invasion because they can't get Americans to go? Or is using mercenaries to wage aggression suddenly OK now? I know the U.S. didn't like it when the mercenaries were Huns hired by the British. Have we become the oppressive empire Great Britain was in 1776?

The difference was that they British were recruiting mercenaries in an attempt to *take away* our freedoms. In this scenario we're trying to establish an environment where Iraqi's HAVE freedom for the first time.

Jason
 
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