A new form of Obamacare!

[Hayabusa Rider]

He's going to save the internet!

He knows best and so does his party.

Cue the apologists.

 

[theeedude]

Not seeing the Obamacare parallels here.

 

[nickqt]

He's going to save the internet!

He knows best and so does his party.

Cue the apologists.

I'll provide context, because I'm not a huge fan of Fox "News" reporting styles.

And I quote from the source linked to:

"The UK’s Cameron suggested earlier in the week he wants to outlaw certain forms of encryption, which could potentially lead to some of the world’s most popular messaging apps (like iMessage and WhatsApp) being banned in the UK. That speech had been ridiculed from all angles for the past few days, with various experts labeling it a nightmare for Internet security – on par with authoritarian regimes such as Russia and China – and economically devastating for the British information technology industry.

Meanwhile, the White House has proposed a huge expansion of penalties under the highly-controversial law that was used to prosecute Reddit co-founder and privacy rights advocate Aaron Swartz. If passed, the administration’s proposal could further criminalize mundane Internet activity – for example, potentially allowing for a ten-year jail sentence for sharing your HBO GO password – all to supposedly target foreign hackers that the law would likely never reach."

So, GB's Prime Minister has the idea of banning encryption. Not Evil communist fascist Muslim atheist Obama.

Gotcha.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not seeing the Obamacare parallels here.

Neither was the best way to approach its respective problems

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'll provide context, because I'm not a huge fan of Fox "News" reporting styles.

And I quote from the source linked to:

"The UK’s Cameron suggested earlier in the week he wants to outlaw certain forms of encryption, which could potentially lead to some of the world’s most popular messaging apps (like iMessage and WhatsApp) being banned in the UK. That speech had been ridiculed from all angles for the past few days, with various experts labeling it a nightmare for Internet security – on par with authoritarian regimes such as Russia and China – and economically devastating for the British information technology industry.

Meanwhile, the White House has proposed a huge expansion of penalties under the highly-controversial law that was used to prosecute Reddit co-founder and privacy rights advocate Aaron Swartz. If passed, the administration’s proposal could further criminalize mundane Internet activity – for example, potentially allowing for a ten-year jail sentence for sharing your HBO GO password – all to supposedly target foreign hackers that the law would likely never reach."

So, GB's Prime Minister has the idea of banning encryption. Not Evil communist fascist Muslim atheist Obama.

Gotcha.

I didn't know Obama was an evil communist fascist Muslim atheist. Thanks for sharing. Now give us an exact definition of "computer crime"? We all know how NSA snooping was never used against American citizens for non terrorist reasons because Obama not Cameron said so. Reality must be wrong because it was, but you are in good company because people believed Bush too.

Cameron is against encryption while Obama will support invasive legislation so you give him an automatic pass. Tell us this. If CISPA comes to his desk will he be as vocally against it as the pipeline and veto it? So far he isn't.

What will he do Mr. Apologist?

 

[theeedude]

Neither was the best way to approach its respective problems

Lame criterion. You channeling Ted Cruz with his "Obamacare for the Internet" line on net neutrality?

 

[Jaskalas]

The first post makes for a difficult discussion with its diversion and very little info, but something serious is going down re: freedom.

"Obama Sides with Cameron in Encryption Fight"

President Barack Obama said Friday that police and spies should not be locked out of encrypted smartphones and messaging apps, taking his first public stance in a simmering battle over private communications in the digital age.

Apple, Google and Facebook have introduced encrypted products in the past half year that the companies say they could not unscramble, even if faced with a search warrant. That’s prompted vocal complaints from spy chiefs, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and, this week, British Prime Minister David Cameron.

Obama’s comments came after two days of meetings with Cameron, and with the prime minister at his side.

“If we find evidence of a terrorist plot… and despite having a phone number, despite having a social media address or email address, we can’t penetrate that, that’s a problem,” Obama said. He said he believes Silicon Valley companies also want to solve the problem. “They’re patriots.”

Like his predecessor, President Obama fully believes that "Patriots" are the ones who limit freedoms. Like Russia and China before him, President Obama wants to outlaw encryption.

First he attacks whistle-blowers, now he wants it to be illegal to protect data. All who stand for these actions must be denounced and opposed. If America's two incumbent parties will not stand for us then it's time for a third party. It's time for Americans to stand against their own police state.

 

[master_shake_]

Patriot = Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism

an acronym for fuck you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Lame criterion. You channeling Ted Cruz with his "Obamacare for the Internet" line on net neutrality?

I forgot. What Obama does regarding privacy does not matter to you as long as he gets what he wants. I take it you are pro CISPA, because you can bet your ass that Obama will allow it to pass. Think not? I hope not. Considering his past actions and Bush era type lies on this issue. I'm not holding my breath. Just so you know I'm for net neutrality and if that means I'm against Ted Cruz then so be it. I wonder if the reverse is true regarding government spying and Obama's support thus far with you.

 

[schmuckley]

This is bad for everybody.
rerivacy

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is bad for everybody.
rerivacy

It's only bad if you aren't one of the politicians for it. Well that and the partisan hacks that will support them. I suppose that's the advantage of partisan atheists. They have no soul to sell so they come entirely free.

 

[schmuckley]

It's only bad if you aren't one of the politicians for it. Well that and the partisan hacks that will support them. I suppose that's the advantage of partisan atheists. They have no soul to sell so they come entirely free.

It's bad for the partisan hacks that support it, too.They just don't know it yet.

 

[nickqt]

I didn't know Obama was an evil communist fascist Muslim atheist. Thanks for sharing. Now give us an exact definition of "computer crime"? We all know how NSA snooping was never used against American citizens for non terrorist reasons because Obama not Cameron said so. Reality must be wrong because it was, but you are in good company because people believed Bush too.

Cameron is against encryption while Obama will support invasive legislation so you give him an automatic pass. Tell us this. If CISPA comes to his desk will he be as vocally against it as the pipeline and veto it? So far he isn't.

What will he do Mr. Apologist?

Right.

I must be an Obamabot and an apologist because I don't start with "Obama is going to make encryption illegal", because, like, you know, even the article you linked to doesn't say that.

So, first, be honest in what you say.

I'll defend the facts/evidence/reality even when I don't personally like those facts.

You go ahead and exaggerate and make stuff up to get attention. And then call me an apologist for simply stating the truth. I'm OK with that.

 

[theeedude]

I forgot. What Obama does regarding privacy does not matter to you as long as he gets what he wants. I take it you are pro CISPA, because you can bet your ass that Obama will allow it to pass. Think not? I hope not. Considering his past actions and Bush era type lies on this issue. I'm not holding my breath. Just so you know I'm for net neutrality and if that means I'm against Ted Cruz then so be it. I wonder if the reverse is true regarding government spying and Obama's support thus far with you.

I forgot, what does this have to do with Obamacare? That's right, nothing. You discredited your own argument with your lame thread title.

 

[schmuckley]

I forgot, what does this have to do with Obamacare? That's right, nothing. You discredited your own argument with your lame thread title.

That's true.This thread would blow up 20X if you had put "Obama plans to do away with encryption"

 

[nickqt]

That's true.This thread would blow up 20X if you had put "Obama plans to do away with encryption"

It would blow up because it would enrage the delusional who have been trained well to believe that Obama is the antichrist, regardless of the fact that the title that "Obama plans t do away with encryption" would also be false and either an outright lie, or a lie through misleading.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That's true.This thread would blow up 20X if you had put "Obama plans to do away with encryption"

What does Obama plans to do away with Egyptians, have to do with anything??

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It would blow up because it would enrage the delusional who have been trained well to believe that Obama is the antichrist, regardless of the fact that the title that "Obama plans t do away with encryption" would also be false and either an outright lie, or a lie through misleading.

Good thing the title doesn't say that Obama wants to do away with encryption then. Of course delusional could be an explanation for your lack of comprehension, but it could be illiteracy. I'm thinking both. If you could both read and understand you would see that Obama and Cameron are both being called out for their positions. Cameron was cited about encryption.

For your conservative thinking process here's a quote which doesn't mention encryption being banned but other concerns. Did my thread title mention Obama and encryption. No. Did the headline I link to say Obama was wanting to ban encryption? No. Of course the administration wants to be able to defeat it at will, but that's not eliminating it.

You thought you were clever by mentioning things in the article, disregarding all of it except encryption and ended with

So, GB's Prime Minister has the idea of banning encryption. Not Evil communist fascist Muslim atheist Obama.

People here argue a good deal but mostly they aren't so stupid to fall for your nonsense. But less than a hundred posts and you seem to know how to troll, or attempt to.
Which hack were you before you were banned?

 

[nickqt]

Good thing the title doesn't say that Obama wants to do away with encryption then. Of course delusional could be an explanation for your lack of comprehension, but it could be illiteracy. I'm thinking both. If you could both read and understand you would see that Obama and Cameron are both being called out for their positions. Cameron was cited about encryption.

For your conservative thinking process here's a quote which doesn't mention encryption being banned but other concerns. Did my thread title mention Obama and encryption. No. Did the headline I link to say Obama was wanting to ban encryption? No. Of course the administration wants to be able to defeat it at will, but that's not eliminating it.

You thought you were clever by mentioning things in the article, disregarding all of it except encryption and ended with



People here argue a good deal but mostly they aren't so stupid to fall for your nonsense. But less than a hundred posts and you seem to know how to troll, or attempt to.
Which hack were you before you were banned?

Delusional conservative #3 accusing me of being a previously banned user, or a shill.

Keep it up, delusional conservatives! Nothing is easier than mocking a conservative by pointing out observable reality and laughing.

I do like the reference to Obamacare in the title though. Very, very relevant to the article linked. Oh wait.

 

[dank69]

Good thing the title doesn't say that Obama wants to do away with encryption then. Of course delusional could be an explanation for your lack of comprehension, but it could be illiteracy. I'm thinking both. If you could both read and understand you would see that Obama and Cameron are both being called out for their positions. Cameron was cited about encryption.

For your conservative thinking process here's a quote which doesn't mention encryption being banned but other concerns. Did my thread title mention Obama and encryption. No. Did the headline I link to say Obama was wanting to ban encryption? No. Of course the administration wants to be able to defeat it at will, but that's not eliminating it.

You thought you were clever by mentioning things in the article, disregarding all of it except encryption and ended with



People here argue a good deal but mostly they aren't so stupid to fall for your nonsense. But less than a hundred posts and you seem to know how to troll, or attempt to.
Which hack were you before you were banned?

Jesus Hay, you seem to be wound up tight again. You realize he didn't accuse you of putting that in your title, right? You realize he was responding to someone else talking about what would happen if you did put that in your title, right?

 

[Jaskalas]

"Obama plans t do away with encryption" would also be false and either an outright lie, or a lie through misleading.

Any encryption with a well-known built in back door is no encryption at all.
Such plans are the elimination of encryption and the President is expressly speaking of that.

You got any more !@#$ to shovel?

 

[werepossum]

Any encryption with a well-known built in back door is no encryption at all.
Such plans are the elimination of encryption and the President is expressly speaking of that.

You got any more !@#$ to shovel?

Yes, but I'm sure he also said that if you like your encryption you can keep it, right?

Obama's biggest problem is now going to be avoiding being trampled by Republicans trying to beat him to it.

 

[nickqt]

Any encryption with a well-known built in back door is no encryption at all.
Such plans are the elimination of encryption and the President is expressly speaking of that.

You got any more !@#$ to shovel?

Oh, so you're claiming that Obama wants encryption to be made illegal, which I caught a bunch of !@#$ about earlier because OP decided that obfuscating the issue with multiple irrelevant topics is a good way to attract attention.

And just like you're not likely to take a blog post from Michael Moore seriously, I'm going to go ahead and do the same for an opinion piece by the WSJ. In the opinion piece itself, the President never expressly speaks about encryption being made illegal.

Instead, he is pulling the "24" card and saying that if there is a terrorist attack/plan hidden behind encryption that cannot be broken, that it is a problem.

Keep shoveling that @#$%, indeed.