A Must See Documentary on Iraq

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Source:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCul...0804/CUL20080421c.html

Trailer:
http://www.brothersatwarmovie.com/

'Brothers at War' Film Shows, Courage, Honor and Horror of War
By Kevin Mooney
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
April 21, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - Before President Bush's troop surge strategy kicked in last May, the road between Ramadi and Fallujah in Iraq's Anbar Province frequently crackled with gunfire, especially in 2006, as terrorists ambushed Iraqi soldiers who were fighting alongside U.S. troops.

Since then, Anbar has been transformed from an al Qaeda stronghold into a platform for effective counter-insurgency. Images from some of the battles to secure the area are presented in the new movie, "Brothers at War."

The soon-to-be released documentary was directed, produced and narrated by Jake Rademacher. The movie chronicles his two trips across Iraq, one with an intelligence-gathering unit and the other with four U.S. combat units at the height of the insurgency in 2005 and 2006.

The film will debut May 16 at the GI Film Festival in Washington, D.C.

Rademacher told Cybercast News Service he had a personal stake in the project because his two younger brothers were serving in Iraq and he wanted to bridge the gap between his own experience and theirs.

The separation between Rademacher and his brothers reflects the separation between Americans at home and soldiers serving abroad, the filmmaker said.

Rademacher said he hopes "Brothers at War" gives average Americans a better understanding of soldiers serving their country in Iraq, just as it fostered a deeper understanding between him and his brothers.

On his first trip to Iraq, the filmmaker embedded with his brother Isaac's unit in Mosul, in the northern part of the country. Capt. Isaac Rademacher is a West Point graduate and the second in command of an elite Long Range Surveillance Company.

The first part of "Brothers at War" focuses on some of the intelligence-gathering operations that took place a few miles beyond the Syrian border. It was there that Jake Rademacher, along with his brother, observed insurgents from Jordan and Saudi Arabia crossing the border.

Even with the advantage of U.S. technology, there is no substitute for the human element, Capt. Isaac Rademacher explained. "Nothing beats human eyes looking at a key piece of terrain," Isaac says in the film.

The American soldiers responsible for gathering intelligence near the Syrian border work in teams of three of four in the desert where they look for insurgents trying to make their way through "ratlines" (desert paths) that lead into Iraq. "We're not here to blow anything up," Sgt. Ben Fischer said in the film. "Our purpose is to confirm or deny insurgent activity."

After returning from his first Iraq trip, Jake Rademacher was urged by his youngest brother, 19-year-old Corp. Joseph Rademacher, to look beyond the intelligence-gathering aspects of the war -- to the actual fighting that was taking place. Corp. Joseph Rademacher, a battle-tested combat veteran, is a sniper with the 82nd Airborne.

During his second trip to Iraq, Jake Rademacher did as Joseph suggested, and at one point, he was caught in an ambush in Al Jazirah on the road to Fallujah. An improvised explosive device (IED) tore into a military vehicle just a few feet from his position and terrorists opened fire.

"There is a difference in the way gunfire sounds depending upon how close it is to you," Jake Rademacher said. "If it's crackling type sound that means it's coming in high." When a second round of gunfire came in, Rademacher began to hear a "zip-zip" type sound. "When you hear that sound, you know they're aiming at you," he said.

The ambush provided some of the most compelling footage presented on screen.

There were only two American advisors serving alongside about 30 Iraqis when the battle took place, and they absorbed the brunt of the attack. Several Iraqi soldiers were wounded, including one who lost part of his jaw.

"I allowed the camera to capture everything." Rademacher said. "It was tough and it is one of the most graphic parts of the film, but I thought it was important to present the entire experience. The whole point here is to show a close-up personal view of the conflict."

The film shows that even before the troop surge went into effect, U.S. soldiers already were working closely with Iraqis who were willing to stand up and take their country back from al Qaeda and other foreign insurgents. The strong, personal bond that exists between American advisors and Iraqi soldiers is an important dynamic that is often missed in media coverage of the conflict, Rademacher said.

In his testimony before the House and Senate earlier this month, Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq, mentioned the expansion of Iraqi security forces and the emergence of a concerned citizens movement that includes both Sunni and Shia people.

There are more than 540,000 people now serving with the Iraqi Security Forces and more than 90,000 citizens working with U.S. forces to help stabilize the country and re-build the infrastructure, according to Petraeus.

While his documentary is largely apolitical, Rademacher captures on film how innovative and durable the American soldier is in contrast to what is often portrayed in most media coverage, he said.

In the movie, Rademacher also mixes with U.S. sniper-shooters from the Pennsylvania National Guard: Cpl. Frank McCann and Cpl. Brandon "Mongo" Phillips, who are on the prowl in Habbaniyah where foreign insurgents sometimes take refuge in mosques.

They are assigned the task of surveying the terrain and targeting terrorists who move among civilians, and "Mongo" and McCann make it clear they have no qualms about taking out a foreign fighter who targets their fellow American soldiers.

"Brothers at War" is a production of Metanoia Films, a company established in 2005. The film is also sponsored and supported by actors Jon Voight and Gary Sinise.

This post is more of a heads-up than anything else. I believe that it's absolutely critical that anti-war folks and war supporters alike take this opportunity to look through the eyes of some of our soldiers in the field.

Even with youtube and the rest of the interwebz, it's not every day that some of you get to see what soldiers like myself see on the ground. This guy has taken the time and put forth to effort to show you that view from the ground -- WITHOUT any recognizable political agenda!!

So please, if you get a chance, go out and see it for yourself...
 
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I wonder if the entire thing is going to be just gunfire and effects throughout the entire thing. Because, according to my father, who fought on the front lines in Korea , the amount of action seen was actually pretty small. But the glorification of war and anti war protestors propoganda made it seem like the soldiers were under fire 24/7.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I wonder if the entire thing is going to be just gunfire and effects throughout the entire thing. Because, according to my father, who fought on the front lines in Korea , the amount of action seen was actually pretty small. But the glorification of war and anti war protestors propoganda made it seem like the soldiers were under fire 24/7.

Apples/Oranges for the most part.

In Korea, you knew where the front lines were. Soldiers went up, did their time on the lines, rotated out, relaxed, rinsed, repeat.

In Iraq, your ass can be blown to bits at any time of day at any place in the country, frequently with no warning. There's never really a chance to completely relax, and I think that's part of why so many soldiers have PTSD. You go there, see no action for 6 weeks, then you're walking down the street and 2 people get blown to juice and bone fragments across the street from you.

It's just a different war/engagement. The closest parallel we have is Vietnam, but even that has more differences than similarities.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I wonder if the entire thing is going to be just gunfire and effects throughout the entire thing. Because, according to my father, who fought on the front lines in Korea , the amount of action seen was actually pretty small. But the glorification of war and anti war protestors propoganda made it seem like the soldiers were under fire 24/7.
From the article, it sounds like only one firefight was captured during the filming near Fallujah.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here is another must-see documentary, from the perspective of a US soldier and Iraq veteran.
Actually looks interesting.

They have taken the anti-war message and wrapped it around a disabled vet in order to make the message more important.

Imagine if the "pro-war" people did the same thing. The outcry from the left would be enormous. They would be accused of exploiting the guy for political means. Just like they were accused of exploiting Pat Tilman or Jessica Lynch.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here is another must-see documentary, from the perspective of a US soldier and Iraq veteran.
Actually looks interesting.

They have taken the anti-war message and wrapped it around a disabled vet in order to make the message more important.

Imagine if the "pro-war" people did the same thing. The outcry from the left would be enormous. They would be accused of exploiting the guy for political means. Just like they were accused of exploiting Pat Tilman or Jessica Lynch.

Look the guy up, he's doing what he thinks is right, he wasn't picked up and used.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here is another must-see documentary, from the perspective of a US soldier and Iraq veteran.
Actually looks interesting.

They have taken the anti-war message and wrapped it around a disabled vet in order to make the message more important.

Imagine if the "pro-war" people did the same thing. The outcry from the left would be enormous. They would be accused of exploiting the guy for political means. Just like they were accused of exploiting Pat Tilman or Jessica Lynch.
Look the guy up, he's doing what he thinks is right, he wasn't picked up and used.
Word it anyway you like...

The people who are fighting in favor of the war weren't picked either nor do they feel they are being used. They are doing what they think is right.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here is another must-see documentary, from the perspective of a US soldier and Iraq veteran.
Actually looks interesting.

They have taken the anti-war message and wrapped it around a disabled vet in order to make the message more important.

Imagine if the "pro-war" people did the same thing. The outcry from the left would be enormous. They would be accused of exploiting the guy for political means. Just like they were accused of exploiting Pat Tilman or Jessica Lynch.
Look the guy up, he's doing what he thinks is right, he wasn't picked up and used.
Word it anyway you like...

The people who are fighting in favor of the war weren't picked either nor do they feel they are being used. They are doing what they think is right.

I never said they didn't. I think our soldiers are overwhelmingly good people who are serving our country in a way they feel is honorable.

What isn't fair, is to discount this soldier's opinion and say that he is being used by the 'left', when it's pretty clear he's got his own ideas, regrets, and opinions that he's trying to get out there. You can say he's wrong, but you have to tackle HIM and HIS points/info, not try to discount him because his views happen to coincide with some on the left.

Remember how many on the 'left' were all for going into Iraq, it's pretty convenient how many of them don't want to remember that.

When it comes to Iraq, it's not really about Right vs. Left, because some on the right were smart enough to know it was a bad move, and many on the left were too stupid to see that it was a mistake. It's stupid vs. smart, not right vs. left.
 

ProfJohn

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I wasn't attacking the guy for what he is doing.

I was pointing out that if the pro-war forces did the same they would be attacked for 'using' him etc etc.

You know if they took a bunch of disabled vets and made a movie in favor of the war the left would be all over them claiming exploitation. THAT was my point.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here is another must-see documentary, from the perspective of a US soldier and Iraq veteran.
Actually looks interesting.

They have taken the anti-war message and wrapped it around a disabled vet in order to make the message more important.

Imagine if the "pro-war" people did the same thing. The outcry from the left would be enormous. They would be accused of exploiting the guy for political means. Just like they were accused of exploiting Pat Tilman or Jessica Lynch.
Look the guy up, he's doing what he thinks is right, he wasn't picked up and used.
Word it anyway you like...

The people who are fighting in favor of the war weren't picked either nor do they feel they are being used. They are doing what they think is right.

I never said they didn't. I think our soldiers are overwhelmingly good people who are serving our country in a way they feel is honorable.

What isn't fair, is to discount this soldier's opinion and say that he is being used by the 'left', when it's pretty clear he's got his own ideas, regrets, and opinions that he's trying to get out there. You can say he's wrong, but you have to tackle HIM and HIS points/info, not try to discount him because his views happen to coincide with some on the left.

Remember how many on the 'left' were all for going into Iraq, it's pretty convenient how many of them don't want to remember that.

When it comes to Iraq, it's not really about Right vs. Left, because some on the right were smart enough to know it was a bad move, and many on the left were too stupid to see that it was a mistake. It's stupid vs. smart, not right vs. left.

:thumbsup:
 

Lemon law

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Oh come on, we just need a remake of the Green Berets. We all know that film helped win the Vietnam war.
 

palehorse

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I think the most important aspect of this particular documentary is that it was supposedly produced without any discernible political bias.

The only "agenda" seems to be the producer's own desire to see and understand what his brothers are going through on the ground in Iraq.

So maybe this is something you keyboard commandos and armchair Generals need to see...
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I wasn't attacking the guy for what he is doing.

I was pointing out that if the pro-war forces did the same they would be attacked for 'using' him etc etc.

You know if they took a bunch of disabled vets and made a movie in favor of the war the left would be all over them claiming exploitation. THAT was my point.
That's a great point from the land of make believe.

Originally posted by: Arkaign
I never said they didn't. I think our soldiers are overwhelmingly good people who are serving our country in a way they feel is honorable.

What isn't fair, is to discount this soldier's opinion and say that he is being used by the 'left', when it's pretty clear he's got his own ideas, regrets, and opinions that he's trying to get out there. You can say he's wrong, but you have to tackle HIM and HIS points/info, not try to discount him because his views happen to coincide with some on the left.

Remember how many on the 'left' were all for going into Iraq, it's pretty convenient how many of them don't want to remember that.

When it comes to Iraq, it's not really about Right vs. Left, because some on the right were smart enough to know it was a bad move, and many on the left were too stupid to see that it was a mistake. It's stupid vs. smart, not right vs. left.
:thumbsup: way up.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
So maybe this is something you keyboard commandos and armchair Generals need to see...

Anyone else see the irony here?
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
So maybe this is something you keyboard commandos and armchair Generals need to see...

Anyone else see the irony here?

how so?

Well I wouldn't expect you to see it.

Well, if you're implying that I fit into either category, then you obviously haven't been paying attention around here.

So come right out and say what you mean guy.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
So maybe this is something you keyboard commandos and armchair Generals need to see...

Anyone else see the irony here?

how so?

Well I wouldn't expect you to see it.

Well, if you're implying that I fit into either category, then you obviously haven't been paying attention around here.

So come right out and say what you mean guy.

He's not your guy, friend!
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
So maybe this is something you keyboard commandos and armchair Generals need to see...

Anyone else see the irony here?

how so?

Well I wouldn't expect you to see it.

Well, if you're implying that I fit into either category, then you obviously haven't been paying attention around here.

So come right out and say what you mean guy.

He's not your guy, friend!
I'm not your friend, buddeh! :D
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
So maybe this is something you keyboard commandos and armchair Generals need to see...

Anyone else see the irony here?

how so?

Well I wouldn't expect you to see it.

Well, if you're implying that I fit into either category, then you obviously haven't been paying attention around here.

So come right out and say what you mean guy.

You know exactly what I meant. I know you know, because you even defended yourself like the guilty party you are.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
So maybe this is something you keyboard commandos and armchair Generals need to see...

Anyone else see the irony here?

how so?

Well I wouldn't expect you to see it.

Well, if you're implying that I fit into either category, then you obviously haven't been paying attention around here.

So come right out and say what you mean guy.

You know exactly what I meant. I know you know, because you even defended yourself like the guilty party you are.
:confused:

If you're implying that I'm either of those things, then I know that you know that we know that you're a twit.