A MUST READ: The truth about Islam and Iran - LONG READ

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
The Iranians want to purchase it. I assume they'll be paying for it, right? Can I get a "duh"?

So we're going to supply them with all their uranium, but they're still going to pay for it? Fair enough, if that's the case. Quit being so condescending - try sticking to actually discussing the issues rather than focusing on making yourself look like you're on the playground.

Hunh? You're the one asking stupid and ridiculous questions. Or am I supposed to be of some mindset of yours that is assuming the US is some giant philanthropist that is willing to hand out supplies of uranium to whomever wants it?

Oh, you're engaging in some nuance? What did you mean by Iran striking us through military or terrorists attacks? Some sort of subliminal terrorist attack, perhaps?

Terrorist attacks aren't usually overt. How long did it take us to nail down who was really responsible for 9/11? Are we even sure yet that we know?

Uh...WOW! 9/11 was not overt? 19 terrorists undergoing flight training. FBI and CIA monitoring certain individuals. PDBs on threats of impending hijacked aircraft? Two of the world's tallest buildings being leveled and the Pentagon attacked?

That's not overt???

How about answering the question.

Why were we in Afghanistan? And drop your feigned superiority with this logical fallacy line. You are impressing no one with your little links dropped here and there.

Uh, we were in Afghanistan because of 9/11. What does that have to do with how we accomplished our goals there, which is what we were discussing?

You are the one implying we were inciting a revolution in Afghanistan and wanting to use that as basis for doing it elsewhere. You completely ignore the fact that we were retaliating for attacks on our homeland and it had NOTHING to do with wanting to incite a revolution.

You're not impressing anyone with your fallacies - you're just wasting time.

Uhh...ok. If you say so.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I think it is a great answer, you really told me off.

Now HOW is uranium more expensive to use as an energy source than oil? I missed your explanation, repeat it please.

I apologize when i am proven wrong, i think it is the right thing to do, not everyone is like me though.

You are a fundamentalist, you admitted it yourself.

First and foremost, I never admitted to being a fundamentalist, and I strongly doubt you want me to post the PM logs to prove it. Second, your concept of fundamentalism was, and probably still is, incorrect.

Maybe uranium can be used to produce power less expensively than oil. However, last I checked, Iran isn't exactly the world's uranium supplier, while they do supply a significant amount of oil. Therefore, them blowing millions or billions of dollars to develop and supply nuclear power rather than using existing oil facilities doesn't seem logical to me. If they were really interested in making more money, all they would have to do is drill more oil wells, which is a shade cheaper than developing nuclear technology.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
Hunh? You're the one asking stupid and ridiculous questions. Or am I supposed to be of some mindset of yours that is assuming the US is some giant philanthropist that is willing to hand out supplies of uranium to whomever wants it?

From what you said earlier, I assumed that giving it to them was Kerry's plan. If he meant that we would sell it to them, I would assume he would use the word 'sell' rather than 'supply,' but I might be wrong.

Uh...WOW! 9/11 was not overt? 19 terrorists undergoing flight training. FBI and CIA monitoring certain individuals. PDBs on threats of impending hijacked aircraft? Two of the world's tallest buildings being leveled and the Pentagon attacked?

That's not overt???

You're missing the boat here. The attack of 9/11 was overt - the organization, funding, and so on that backed it were not.

You are the one implying we were inciting a revolution in Afghanistan and wanting to use that as basis for doing it elsewhere. You completely ignore the fact that we were retaliating for attacks on our homeland and it had NOTHING to do with wanting to incite a revolution.

I didn't speak at all to the intentions of our actions - just how it was carried out, strawman.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Aimster

If you cannot prove what I said in this thread to be wrong then maybe you should stay out.

I don't think so. And us going in and establishing democratic countries in the Middle East, presumably by force is your suggestion, is NOT the right way to do it.

The world was established with wars.

The people of Iran want the U.S to attack them. The Iranians in the U.S want the U.S to attack them. Many agree with you that this is an Iranian problem and that the Iranians need to fix it themself.

Do you disagree to the U.S invading Iran's airspace and broadcasting messages to the people to revolt? Once a revolt takes place are you also against the U.S attacking the part of the Iranian government that are against the uprising (Republican Guard, 20,000 strong).

The people of Iran want the US to attack them?????. I know many Iranians who don't want the US to invade Iran, even if they don't like the gov't they don't trust the US. Do you know what the US will do in Iran, they will install a puppet gov't to run the show. Look at Iraq for answers. I think you're one of those Iranians who support the Shah in L.A. right!, you guys are so lost.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I think it is a great answer, you really told me off.

Now HOW is uranium more expensive to use as an energy source than oil? I missed your explanation, repeat it please.

I apologize when i am proven wrong, i think it is the right thing to do, not everyone is like me though.

You are a fundamentalist, you admitted it yourself.

First and foremost, I never admitted to being a fundamentalist, and I strongly doubt you want me to post the PM logs to prove it. Second, your concept of fundamentalism was, and probably still is, incorrect.

Maybe uranium can be used to produce power less expensively than oil. However, last I checked, Iran isn't exactly the world's uranium supplier, while they do supply a significant amount of oil. Therefore, them blowing millions or billions of dollars to develop and supply nuclear power rather than using existing oil facilities doesn't seem logical to me. If they were really interested in making more money, all they would have to do is drill more oil wells, which is a shade cheaper than developing nuclear technology.

Did it ever occur to you that selling the oil that there is great demand for and importing cheap uranium would be more profitable?

No, of course not, and it never occured to you that if a heavily crowded country like Iran would only use fossile fuel sources they wouldn't be able to breathe, now did it?

If you want to discuss the PM's and what was in them i suggest you do so in PM, hence the term Private.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Hunh? You're the one asking stupid and ridiculous questions. Or am I supposed to be of some mindset of yours that is assuming the US is some giant philanthropist that is willing to hand out supplies of uranium to whomever wants it?

From what you said earlier, I assumed that giving it to them was Kerry's plan. If he meant that we would sell it to them, I would assume he would use the word 'sell' rather than 'supply,' but I might be wrong.

I'm sure you are. As you've been wrong on many other things. Your credibility is about nil.

Uh...WOW! 9/11 was not overt? 19 terrorists undergoing flight training. FBI and CIA monitoring certain individuals. PDBs on threats of impending hijacked aircraft? Two of the world's tallest buildings being leveled and the Pentagon attacked?

That's not overt???

You're missing the boat here. The attack of 9/11 was overt - the organization, funding, and so on that backed it were not.

So, you think the Iranian government is going to mirror Al Qaeda? Answer me this, then: Is there any aluminum foil left in the stores where you live?

You are the one implying we were inciting a revolution in Afghanistan and wanting to use that as basis for doing it elsewhere. You completely ignore the fact that we were retaliating for attacks on our homeland and it had NOTHING to do with wanting to incite a revolution.

I didn't speak at all to the intentions of our actions - just how it was carried out, strawman.

Ah, nice backpedaling. CsG would be proud.

 

[1luckymf]

You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

 

[CycloWizard]

Conjur: your entire post is a personal attack followed by a couple of strawmen. I will henceforth not attempt to argue against fallacy, as it accomplishes absolutely nothing. If you want to post in an intelligent manner, I'll address what you have to say.

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Did it ever occur to you that selling the oil that there is great demand for and importing cheap uranium would be more profitable?

No, of course not, and it never occured to you that if a heavily crowded country like Iran would only use fossile fuel sources they wouldn't be able to breathe, now did it?

If you want to discuss the PM's and what was in them i suggest you do so in PM, hence the term Private.

I would expect that if you look at the economics of it, spending billions on developing nuclear technology will not pay for itself.

If you don't want the content of PMs discussed in threads, maybe you should leave said content out of your personal attacks. Yourself and conjur have achieved a new low in this thread and the WMD thread. I know you're both capable of intelligent discussion, yet you result to strawmen and personal attacks rather than even mentioning the real issues at hand. You're managing to drag down the entire forum. Why not stick to the issues?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

 

[conjur]

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[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
After looking at your pictures, aimster, you're full of sh!t.

must be fakes taken by jews right?

get over it, not all ideologies are equal. to pretend such is to deny reason.

more fun from palestinian media watch http://www.pmw.org.il/

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Conjur: your entire post is a personal attack followed by a couple of strawmen. I will henceforth not attempt to argue against fallacy, as it accomplishes absolutely nothing. If you want to post in an intelligent manner, I'll address what you have to say.

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Did it ever occur to you that selling the oil that there is great demand for and importing cheap uranium would be more profitable?

No, of course not, and it never occured to you that if a heavily crowded country like Iran would only use fossile fuel sources they wouldn't be able to breathe, now did it?

If you want to discuss the PM's and what was in them i suggest you do so in PM, hence the term Private.

I would expect that if you look at the economics of it, spending billions on developing nuclear technology will not pay for itself.

If you don't want the content of PMs discussed in threads, maybe you should leave said content out of your personal attacks. Yourself and conjur have achieved a new low in this thread and the WMD thread. I know you're both capable of intelligent discussion, yet you result to strawmen and personal attacks rather than even mentioning the real issues at hand. You're managing to drag down the entire forum. Why not stick to the issues?

I did leave the PM's out of it, we had the discussion in a thread, i will search for it and link it if you need me to do it.

You know, economics for a country isn't about what you spend now, a future investment that will save money is most certainly a good investment, so no, oil isn't cheaper.

Both me and Conjur are happy to discuss but you offer nothing to discuss, you bring irrelevant things into the discussion and refuse to discuss what IS relevant.

Again, you are wrong about oil being cheaper.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Today some idiot told me to go home to Germany, and i was sitting here in Germany, wondering where to go.

Never mind the daft ones, they are just trying to excuse themselves for being stupid.

 

[rchiu]

Is it just me or the idea of invading some country, not because they are thereat to us, not because they started a war with us, but because they are not "democratic enough" just seemed wrong?

So OK, we go in and kill tens of thousand people and over throw the government. People of that country is just going to welcome us and learn our way of life? I mean you are really that naive to belief that after Iraq?

 

[1luckymf]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
I did leave the PM's out of it, we had the discussion in a thread, i will search for it and link it if you need me to do it.

You know, economics for a country isn't about what you spend now, a future investment that will save money is most certainly a good investment, so no, oil isn't cheaper.

Both me and Conjur are happy to discuss but you offer nothing to discuss, you bring irrelevant things into the discussion and refuse to discuss what IS relevant.

Again, you are wrong about oil being cheaper.

Sir, here's the problem: this thread is about Iran, and how the US foreign policy could affect its future. I posted my thoughts, discussed conjur's thoughts, and you come out of left field to microanalyze rather than discuss the issue at hand. If you have anything to say on the subject, feel free. Saying that I'm adding nothing to the discussion while you sit here and cyclically post that oil is cheaper than uranium is laughable at best.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
I did leave the PM's out of it, we had the discussion in a thread, i will search for it and link it if you need me to do it.

You know, economics for a country isn't about what you spend now, a future investment that will save money is most certainly a good investment, so no, oil isn't cheaper.

Both me and Conjur are happy to discuss but you offer nothing to discuss, you bring irrelevant things into the discussion and refuse to discuss what IS relevant.

Again, you are wrong about oil being cheaper.

Sir, here's the problem: this thread is about Iran, and how the US foreign policy could affect its future. I posted my thoughts, discussed conjur's thoughts, and you come out of left field to microanalyze rather than discuss the issue at hand. If you have anything to say on the subject, feel free. Saying that I'm adding nothing to the discussion while you sit here and cyclically post that oil is cheaper than uranium is laughable at best.

You will have to excuse me but i think YOU were the one who brought the argument into the discussion and quite frankly it IS relevant.

You see, if there is a REASON for Iran to develop nuclear power plants, for their economy and for their environment then HAVING nuclear power plants is something that should not be disallowed.

Somewhere you lost track of what was discussed in this thread, it has to do with nuclear power, the EU and the US and the rest of the world, about fuel sources and about threats.

So discussing how uranium is cheaper than oil is very much on topic in this thread, you keep claiming it isn't and i disagree with you.

It is not MY fault that you never stopped to think about your argument.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: conjur
There are extremists in any religion. That doesn't mean all followers of a religion are the same.

Muhammad Ali is a Muslim. Do you think he wants to cut peoples' hands off and enslave women?

You have got to be one of the most naive persons ever. See the pictures, read the news, open your eyes.

Islam is head and shoulders above other religions in terms of violence, cruelty, bigotry and (sic) backwardsness.

Tell me in what religion does this happen?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
There are extremists in any religion. That doesn't mean all followers of a religion are the same.

Muhammad Ali is a Muslim. Do you think he wants to cut peoples' hands off and enslave women?

You have got to be one of the most naive persons ever. See the pictures, read the news, open your eyes.

Islam is head and shoulders above other religions in terms of violence, cruelty, bigotry and (sic) backwardsness.

Tell me in what religion does this happen?

Well that is probably because of the poverty of some areas with large numbers of Muslims.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
There are extremists in any religion. That doesn't mean all followers of a religion are the same.

Muhammad Ali is a Muslim. Do you think he wants to cut peoples' hands off and enslave women?

You have got to be one of the most naive persons ever. See the pictures, read the news, open your eyes.

Islam is head and shoulders above other religions in terms of violence, cruelty, bigotry and (sic) backwardsness.

Tell me in what religion does this happen?

Well that is probably because of the poverty of some areas with large numbers of Muslims.

A large portion of India, which is mostly hindu, is in poverty, yet they dont do this. A great portion of Asia is in poverty, where does this happen??

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
There are extremists in any religion. That doesn't mean all followers of a religion are the same.

Muhammad Ali is a Muslim. Do you think he wants to cut peoples' hands off and enslave women?

You have got to be one of the most naive persons ever. See the pictures, read the news, open your eyes.

Islam is head and shoulders above other religions in terms of violence, cruelty, bigotry and (sic) backwardsness.

Tell me in what religion does this happen?

Well, remember that the religion is pretty much where christianity was during the crusades when it comes to age.

Crusades was probably the worst the christians ever did, but remember that Hitler claimed to do his work in the name of christ and so have many other sects and terrorists, the IRA is another example, if you need more examples i can probably give you a few more if you just let me translate the names into english.

I would rather define all of them as fundamentalists of religion and i would say that ALL of them are nutcases.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

My agenda? My parents might be from Iran as well as my family. I have family living in Iran. America comes before Iran. My kids will be born and raised here and if Iran is going to start something against the U.S then I am all for the U.S to show Iran a lesson or two. Why would I defend Iran over the United States? What makes you more of an American than me?

I am not going to gain anything with a free Iran. I have no connections there. The world will gain with a free Iran.

Yes you are damn right. If I had to go to fight for the U.S vs Iran I sure as hell would pick the United States. This is my country and I will defend it if I must. If I didn't like my country I wouldn't live here I would live in Iran and call that my country and raise my kids there.

 

[CycloWizard]

Klixxer, you're right about the costs of nuclear versus oil as a fuel - for Iran, it would be at least close to breaking even. My bad. :beer: This chart says it all (for the US - nuclear and oil would be closer for Iran, since Uranium would be more expensive and oil less so).

http://www.uic.com.au/graphics/UScost01.gif

Here's the overall discussion:
http://www.uic.com.au/nip08.htm

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
There are extremists in any religion. That doesn't mean all followers of a religion are the same.

Muhammad Ali is a Muslim. Do you think he wants to cut peoples' hands off and enslave women?

You have got to be one of the most naive persons ever. See the pictures, read the news, open your eyes.

Islam is head and shoulders above other religions in terms of violence, cruelty, bigotry and (sic) backwardsness.

Tell me in what religion does this happen?

Hmm...bigotry like Christians persecuting gays? Violence like Christians blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors? Cruelty like Christians preventing mosques from being built and vandalizing them and persecuting people of Middle Eastern descent out of fear and ignorance stoked by this administration?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
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Grow up, child.

Nice ad hominem.