A Matter of Concern *Updated*

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SlitheryDee

A little backstory first. My cousin is 19 years old and she has a 7 month old baby named Neveah. She's relatively immature for her age, dropped out of school long ago, has never held down a job, etc. She's currently living with her boyfriend's father and his sister although she's spent short periods living with my mother. When she got pregnant there was a time when she was considering abortion. The rest of the family, myself f you cincluded, eventually convinced her that this was a bad decision

My mother recently had a telephone conversation with my aunt (my cousin's mother). My cousin has been trying to get her mother to allow her to move back in with her for some time now, claiming that she can't stand being with the baby all the time and that the responibility was literally driving her out of her mind. A few nights ago she dropped a real bomb on my aunt, claiming that she would "Kill the baby before it's a year old". Obviously this distressed my aunt a great deal and she called my mother (who is a social worker). The general concensus is that this is probably just a rather extreme tactic that my cousin is using to get what she wants, and that she really doesn't mean to harm the child. However we also agree that such things should never be taken lightly. Crimes of the sort that she threatened do indeed happen all the time, and she may truly be at the end of her rope.

The decision we made was that my mother would go talk to her. She would basically give her an ultimatum to admit right then and there that she wasn't serious, or my mother would call the Office of Community Services and let them deal with her.

What does ATOT think of this situation? Did we decide to do the right thing? Is it enough? I dunno maybe this is a bit serious for these forums.

*Update*

There have been new developments. She's pregnant again, by the same father. She claims that it was an accident and that he was using protection.

2 condom malfunctions in less than a year? I'm not buying that one.

One theory going around is that was that she consented to have unprotected sex IN ORDER TO get pregnant so that she could seal the deal with what is apparently her main man. In other words, it's the old "keep a niggah" baby.

The initial problem was more or less worked out to our satisfaction, we took the action I described and got an acceptable reaction. (we believe it was just immaturity). This is a different matter entirely. After her previous troubles I have serious doubts about her ability to cope with this new situation.



 

AmerDoux

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19 is young and she probably has no experience dealing with infants/toddlers. Sounds like she is at the end of her rope and doesnt know how to express it or ask for help. She would benefit from a parenting class... maybe someone in your family could babysit on those nights so she could attend. Two birds in one stone; she gets time away from the baby and she learns some parenting skills. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Is she raising hte baby on her own or is the boyfriend helping?

Raising a child is work for the first year. 100% work!

The first 6 months are simply a nightmare. You are a zombie no matter what you do. Even with married "mature" people, it's insane. She probably thought babies are cute .. thus I need one like most young mothers.

Anyways ....... my boy is almost 18 months old now and it's like night and day. He sleeps all night and plays all day at this point. It gets better and I am having fun with the young one now. I don't even consider it work.

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Oh and I had a change in thought. If your family convinced her to keep the baby (vs abortion) and she is having a hard time dealing with the baby ... you better start helping out because in a quite serious way ... her headaches are your doing. You hold as much responsibility as the mother that birthed the child.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: astrocase
Can you have post partum depression for 7 months?

yes.


and as others said do not take the threat lightly!
 

astrocase

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Well I would take the threat seriously. I'm all for the parenting class solution. If she's not willing to do that then I'd take a more drastic approach.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: astrocase
Well I would take the threat seriously. I'm all for the parenting class solution. If she's not willing to do that then I'd take a more drastic approach.

i think every new parent should take a parenting class. I took one and a class called "boot camp for daddies" wich i suggest for all new fathers.
 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Is she raising hte baby on her own or is the boyfriend helping?

Raising a child is work for the first year. 100% work!

The first 6 months are simply a nightmare. You are a zombie no matter what you do. Even with married "mature" people, it's insane. She probably thought babies are cute .. thus I need one like most young mothers.

Anyways ....... my boy is almost 18 months old now and it's like night and day. He sleeps all night and plays all day at this point. It gets better and I am having fun with the young one now. I don't even consider it work.

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Oh and I had a change in thought. If your family convinced her to keep the baby (vs abortion) and she is having a hard time dealing with the baby ... you better start helping out because in a quite serious way ... her headaches are your doing. You hold as much responsibility as the mother that birthed the child.



The baby's father doesn't really help that much, his father (the baby's grandfather) is the person that she's living with currently. He is very supportive and cares a great deal for the baby, or so I hear. No one is really able to take her in except for him at this time, but I'm sure that we could help in some way. If it comes down to it I think we should push adoption over a potentially dangerous living situation, but I just don't know for sure when you could say that's the case.
 

Ronstang

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This is a perfect example of why abortion is necessary at times. Nice job convincing a child to have a child. People seem to be too stupid to not get pregnant when they shouldn't be and then the moralists think they are going to be mature and smart enough to take care of a child. Your cousin is immature but she also has the kind of pressure on her that is going to guarantee she never goes anywhere in life. One mistake that could have been corrected but instead let's pile on the problems. Having those mistake babies is much more important though.....because a life is a life afterall. When are you people going to understand that making kids have kids when they screw up and get pregnant usually ends up NEGATIVELY impacting many lives. The unwanted baby usually suffers the most growing up in a broken non-traditional family. No wonder this world is going to crap.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
This is a perfect example of why abortion is necessary at times. Nice job convincing a child to have a child. People seem to be too stupid to not get pregnant when they shouldn't be and then the moralists think they are going to be mature and smart enough to take care of a child. Your cousin is immature but she also has the kind of pressure on her that is going to guarantee she never goes anywhere in life. One mistake that could have been corrected but instead let's pile on the problems. Having those mistake babies is much more important though.....because a life is a life afterall. When are you people going to understand that making kids have kids when they screw up and get pregnant usually ends up NEGATIVELY impacting many lives. The unwanted baby usually suffers the most growing up in a broken non-traditional family. No wonder this world is going to crap.

Actually, I was thinking this is a perfect example of why ADOPTION is necessary at times.
 

uhohs

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
This is a perfect example of why adoption is necessary at times. Nice job convincing a child to have a child. People seem to be too stupid to not get pregnant when they shouldn't be and then the moralists think they are going to be mature and smart enough to take care of a child. Your cousin is immature but she also has the kind of pressure on her that is going to guarantee she never goes anywhere in life. One mistake that could have been corrected but instead let's pile on the problems. Having those mistake babies is much more important though.....because a life is a life afterall. When are you people going to understand that making kids have kids when they screw up and get pregnant usually ends up NEGATIVELY impacting many lives. The unwanted baby usually suffers the most growing up in a broken non-traditional family. No wonder this world is going to crap.

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Ronstang

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Ronstang
This is a perfect example of why abortion is necessary at times. Nice job convincing a child to have a child. People seem to be too stupid to not get pregnant when they shouldn't be and then the moralists think they are going to be mature and smart enough to take care of a child. Your cousin is immature but she also has the kind of pressure on her that is going to guarantee she never goes anywhere in life. One mistake that could have been corrected but instead let's pile on the problems. Having those mistake babies is much more important though.....because a life is a life afterall. When are you people going to understand that making kids have kids when they screw up and get pregnant usually ends up NEGATIVELY impacting many lives. The unwanted baby usually suffers the most growing up in a broken non-traditional family. No wonder this world is going to crap.

Actually, I was thinking this is a perfect example of why ADOPTION is necessary at times.

Ok, I agree on that point but there are only so many children that are going to be adopted. If you want to screw up and get pregnant when a child is not wanted then before you go the adoption route you should consider pre-adopting the child before you decide to have it. Lining up the adoptive parents first is a better choice.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: uhohs
Originally posted by: Ronstang
This is a perfect example of why adoption is necessary at times. Nice job convincing a child to have a child. People seem to be too stupid to not get pregnant when they shouldn't be and then the moralists think they are going to be mature and smart enough to take care of a child. Your cousin is immature but she also has the kind of pressure on her that is going to guarantee she never goes anywhere in life. One mistake that could have been corrected but instead let's pile on the problems. Having those mistake babies is much more important though.....because a life is a life afterall. When are you people going to understand that making kids have kids when they screw up and get pregnant usually ends up NEGATIVELY impacting many lives. The unwanted baby usually suffers the most growing up in a broken non-traditional family. No wonder this world is going to crap.

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You didn't fix anything....you inserted your OPINION, and that is all it is. Adoption is not always possible, especially when the child mother is also a drug abuser. You moralists and religious people need to spend more time preventing children from having children instead of forcing your opinion on them once they are in trouble.
 

sunase

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Wow, the family argued her into keeping the baby when she wasn't ready for one and now they won't help take care of it. Oo
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Ronstang
This is a perfect example of why abortion is necessary at times. Nice job convincing a child to have a child. People seem to be too stupid to not get pregnant when they shouldn't be and then the moralists think they are going to be mature and smart enough to take care of a child. Your cousin is immature but she also has the kind of pressure on her that is going to guarantee she never goes anywhere in life. One mistake that could have been corrected but instead let's pile on the problems. Having those mistake babies is much more important though.....because a life is a life afterall. When are you people going to understand that making kids have kids when they screw up and get pregnant usually ends up NEGATIVELY impacting many lives. The unwanted baby usually suffers the most growing up in a broken non-traditional family. No wonder this world is going to crap.

Actually, I was thinking this is a perfect example of why ADOPTION is necessary at times.

Ok, I agree on that point but there are only so many children that are going to be adopted. If you want to screw up and get pregnant when a child is not wanted then before you go the adoption route you should consider pre-adopting the child before you decide to have it. Lining up the adoptive parents first is a better choice.

Actually, there are lots of kids to be adopted and there is demand for them. Part of the reason you see people wanting to be parents travelling overseas to adopt kids from foreign countries is because it is such a pain in the arse to find a kid in the USA.

What shocks me though is the attitude of the rest of the family. They obviously knew the girl wasn't responsible but have done nothing to help. Somebody needs to help the baby until the mother can get her head on straight (if ever).
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: sunase
Wow, the family argued her into keeping the baby when she wasn't ready for one and now they won't help take care of it. Oo


That often ends up being the case or they do help take care of it yet the family is destroyed through the process. Nothing like growing up without a traditional mother and father in a normal situation. No wonder there are so many messed up kids these days.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Actually, there are lots of kids to be adopted and there is demand for them. Part of the reason you see people wanting to be parents travelling overseas to adopt kids from foreign countries is because it is such a pain in the arse to find a kid in the USA.

Then set up the adoption before you decide to force a child to carry a child to term. Even the experience of carrying a child to term can destroy a young girl's life.....but I know, I know....the mass of cells that MIGHT grow into a life is more important that the girl's.
 

Amplifier

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What's the difference between a dead baby and a rubber ducky?

SlitheryDee's cousin doesn't leave her rubber ducky in the tub.
 

Treyshadow

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I believe you acted appropriately.

Any harm that came to the baby because you didn't act would result in lots of mental trauma for all that is involved both directly or indirectly.

A newborn is a tough situation for almost anyone. Most don't realize the dependency they have. We have a 9 week old little girl and even at age 30, sometimes I want to put her back in her mom (just for a few hours of good sleep). She is healthy and happy, but we have more than sufficient incomes, and spend lots of time with her. My wife just went back to work, and we have a nanny here during the day taking care of 1 child. Still we miss her, and come home for lunch almost everyday of the week, so you can see the dependency goes both ways.

If she feels the need to disconnect from the child for a few minutes, someone needs to assist. Comments like that sound like she is 19, realizing the fact that she can't "go to the bar" or "the club" when she wants, or at all. That is pretty awaking for someone of that age. Luckily at 30, no more club hopping for me. Just spectator sports. Oh, and the baby really gets in the way of gaming sessions. Truly I didn't game for 6 weeks after the baby arrived.
 

leegroves86

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Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...