A look at other capitalist healthcare systems

[Adn4n]

Originally posted by: Athena

Originally posted by: Patranus
Well this is America not Germany.

You are right; this is the US with a net trade deficit last year of almost $700 billion while the Germans, the largest exporter in the world, closed out the year with a net surplus of 177 EUR (250 USD). Could there be any truth to the idea that US corporations are disadvantaged when they compete with companies from countries with different health care financing models?

Did socialism built America into the only super power? How did socialism work out for the Soviet Union?

How did capitalistic hubris work out for the UK? After all in 1900, it was the financial, manufacturing, military and political leader of the world. Whatever got them there certainly didn't keep them in that position. Looking backward certainly won't keep us at the top of the heap either.

Thanks for addressing that for me. Furthermore, The USSR wasn't socialist, it was communist. There's quite a difference between the two, such as the former being democratic.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus
Just watched the video, really insightful

Taiwan was lucky, they let all the other countries experiment and they took the best ideas out of all of them.

I like how they looked at the US's market based approach and said, 'uh fuck that no' :laugh:

Not surprisingly, they said it most closely matched Medicare and Canada's system, much to the chagrin of conservatives here.

Yeah Taiwan is real lucky. Since switching to single payer in 1995 they are deficit spending, hitting 1 trillion this year. Real lucky. But deficit spending is the new cool thing to do, so it wont get much thought.

That deficit is astounding considering their revenues were 50.91 billion, expenditures were 54.7 billion and GDP was roughly 400 billion in 2008 :roll:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.cia.gov/library......tbook/geos/tw.html"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.cia.gov/library/pu...-factbook/geos/tw.html"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tw.html">https://www.cia.gov/l............os/tw.html</a></a></a>

Where the hell did you even get such a bullshit number

http://in.reuters.com/article/.../idINSEO17881120090116

TAIPEI, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Taiwan's parliament late on Thursday passed the central government's 2009 general budget, which will yield a shortfall of T$134.6 billion ($4 billion), the second deficit in a row but bigger than in 2008.

FYI, blackangst, the link you private msg'd me is about AMERICA's deficit :roll::roll::roll:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The US will have inherently higher health care costs for one real and insurmountable reason and that is population density. Having a lot of people in a limited area allows easier access. It's expensive to maintain facilities in rural areas, and there is a shortage of health care now. You might as well talk about how much Americans drive compared to other nations. We're in a huge country, and we are spread out therefore we have to go further. It's how it is. Lunar Ray touched on this, in that there are costs to maintaining any facility. The need to treatment doesn't go away because Arizona is less populated per square mile than Delaware.

People will find the cost savings not nearly as great as they wish. UHC may say that everyone has health care, but having someone to provide it is entirely another matter. There are a number of things which need to be addressed, but typically we look at the cost and number of people covered and dont bother to ask how to make it better.