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A little-known bit of law on the First Amendment

Craig234

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We pretty much all think we know about areas of the first amendment that are not in question, apart from the areas that are. We're wrong about part of this.

Re-reading some of Howard Zinn's history on this, I'd like to post a summary of the story I think it's good for people to know about. Learn from history.

It goes back to a law passed a century ago in 1917, when the US, fresh after starting its more internationally aggressive approach with war against Spain and the Philippines around 1900, faced entry into WWI which the public and President had opposed, but then Wilson changed his mind, which is its own story.

Anyway, this law said it was a crime for a US citizen to "willfully cause or attempt to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty in the military or naval forces of the United States or shall willfully obstruct the recruiting or enlistment service of the U.S." while the US was at war, with a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.

Zinn writes, "This was quickly interpreted by the government as a basis for prosecuting anyone who criticized, in speech or writing, the entrance of the nation into the European war, or who criticized the recently enacted conscription law. Two months after the Espionage Act was passed, a Socialist named Charles Scheneck was arrested in Philadelphia for distributing 15,000 leaflets denouncing the draft and the war. Conscription, the leafleats said, was 'a monstrous deed against humanity in the interests of the financiers of Wall Street...'" He was convicted under this law and sentenced to six months in prison.

He appealed on the basis of the first amendment protecting his free speech, and the Supreme Court took the case. In fact, legendary champion of 'free speech' Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, known as a liberal, wrote the decision for a unanimous court - saying the first amendment did not protect him.

In fact, this was the famous ruling everyone knows for the 'shouting fire in a theatre' exception to the protection, but which almost know one realizes was this crippling:

The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a crowded theatre and causing a panic... The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.

So, the court unanimously equated speaking in opposition to entering a war, or to a draft, with shouting fire dishonestly and creating a risk to the public.

But the story doesn't end there about that case.

In the election, Wilson had as one opponent Eugene Debs, the Socialist candidate when that party was looking good to a lot of Americans. Debs made a speech praising socialism and criticizing the war: "Wars throughout history have been waged for conquest and plunder... And that is war in a nutshell. The master class has always declared the wars; the subject class has always fought the battles."

For this, Debs was indicted under the law, saying he "attempted to cause and incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny and refusal of duty in the military forces of the U. S. and with intent so to do delivered to an assembly of people a public speech." So saying the US should not enter a war was not the right of a citizen under the first amendment.

He was convicted and sentenced to ten year in prison. The sentencing judge said he was sentencing one of those "who would strike the sword from the hand of this nation while she is engaged in defending herself against a foreign and brutal power." This case also went to the Supreme Court.

Again the ruling was unanimous and written by Oliver Wendell Holmes. It was against the First Amendment protecting Debs' speech.

Debs had made "the usual contrasts between capitalists and laboring men... with the implication running through it all that the working men are not concerned in the war."

Holmes said this meant that his speech would obstruct recruiting for the war.

About 2,000 people were prosecuted under the law and 900 sent to prison.

Another case: Socialist leader Kate Richard O'Hare - before women had the right to vote - was sentenced to five years in prison for saying that "the women of the United States were nothing more nor less than brood sows, to raise children to get into the army and be made into fertilizer."

A filmmaker was arrested for making a movie, "The Spirit of '76", about the American Revolution, because the film showed British atrocities against the US; the judge explained his guilt by saying that the film tended "to question the good faith of our ally, Great Britain." He was sentenced to tn years.

Zinn notes the poetic name of the case: "U. S. vs. Spirit of '76".

The final shocking fact is that the law remains on the books. There's nothing, as I understand it, but 'prosecutorial discretion' preventing you from prosecution for similar speech today. Zinn doesn't mention any reversal of the rulings. He notes that Kennedy even tried to extend the law to speech by Americans overseas, for use against journalists writing against the Vietnam policy in ways he thought could undermine it (in one of the dark examples of Kennedy error I think he came to regret).

In 1940, under FDR and Democrats by the way, another law, the Smith Act, was passed which extended the law to peacetime speech.

In the summer of 1941, under this law, the offices of the Socialist Party were raided, and leaders were convicted under this law, under the basis that their doctrine said they believed in 'apply Marxist theories to social problems in the US'. The US Communist party was an enemy of the Socialist party and did not oppose the prosecution; after the war the Communist Party leaders were sent to prison under the same law.

Finally, you can look back further in history, and find laws before the Civil War in which Georgia and Louisiana passed laws with the death penalty for anyone distributing literature "exciting to insurrection" or that had "a tendency to produce discontent among the free population... or insurrection among the slaves."

Interestingly, in 1813 The Supreme Court ruled whether the first amendment provided protection for citizens' free speech from the state government as well as the federal, and Chief Justice Marshall ruled it did not. James Madison had proposed and amendment to not let the states interfere with certain rights including freedom of speech; the Senate voted no.

Zinn lists more I won't get into, such as ruling splitting hairs; the Supreme Court upheld the right of a union group in 1968 to distribute literature at one private shopping center, because it was available to the public; in 1972, it ruled against a group of protesters handing our literature at another private mall protesting the Vietnam War. The Court said the difference was that the first group's issue was about the mall, the second wasn't.

Hope this has been informative about less known bits of history of this right we pretty much all might have an exaggerated idea about.

Edit: I suspect there are probably cases that have updated the status for the law, I haven't checked much and welcome someone who is familiar with it to post any to update this.
 
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HamburgerBoy

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Zinn... seriously??

I personally have no clue who Zinn is, but how does his person detract from the validity of the information provided? Is he a pinko commie and therefore you infer a subliminal pinko commie undertone in the op in its general mention of 1st Amendment rights withheld from other pinko commies?
 

cubby1223

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Yea, I get the distinct feeling we're not being told the full, complete story of these individuals.
 

Tom

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Say the leader of a bank robbery gang tells his partners how to rob the bank.

Is that protected by the 1st Amendment ?

That is what these cases are about, it isn't always as simple as opposing a war, it's about instructing others how to act. And that's a difficult line to draw.
 

Woofmeister

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Howard Zinn isn't much of a lawyer. The law to which Craig234 refers (without identifying it by title) is the Espionage Act of 1917, the scope of which was drastically curtailed by the Supreme Court in the seminal case of Hartzel v. U.S. In Hartzel,the conviction of a Nazi sympathizer who wrote and mailed outrageously false articles arguing against the U.S. war effort during World War II was reversed on the basis that mere speech without a showing of specific intent to cause mutiny within the U.S. armed forces cannot be a crime under the First Amendment:
But the mere fact that such ideas are enunciated by a citizen is not enough by itself to warrant a finding of a criminal intent to violate Section 3 of the Espionage Act. Unless there is sufficient evidence from which a jury could infer beyond a reasonable doubt that he intended to bring about the specific consequences prohibited by the Act, an American citizen has the right to discuss these matters either by temperate reasoning or by immoderate and vicious invective without running afoul of the Espionage Act of 1917. Such evidence was not present in this case. The judgment of the court below is
REVERSED.
Craig and Professor Zinn will have to do better to show that we are actually living in a Police State.
 
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Double Trouble

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Yea, I get the distinct feeling we're not being told the full, complete story of these individuals.

Knowing that the author is Zinn, I'd agree. We're certainly not getting the full story, though I have no doubt neither party really wants to defend free speech. They just want to defend speech they agree with.
 
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Zinn's a great early read to break people out of their blindered history exposure, but it's important not to stop there. I'd strongly recommend reading him along with a right-historian (Johnson maybe), and then research any specific points of interest back to the primary sources so you can infer your own reality.
 
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Craig234 logic: There are people starving in Somalia right now. They would be happy to have a 1st Amendment interpreted in any way as long as they had as much food to eat as fat Americans did.
 

ProfJohn

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I personally have no clue who Zinn is, but how does his person detract from the validity of the information provided? Is he a pinko commie and therefore you infer a subliminal pinko commie undertone in the op in its general mention of 1st Amendment rights withheld from other pinko commies?
Zinn is a very left wing historian who looks at the world through left wing glasses...

If you look through high school textbooks and elementary school textbooks in American history, you will find Andrew Jackson the frontiersman, soldier, democrat, man of the people — not Jackson the slaveholder, land speculator, executioner of dissident soldiers, exterminator of Indians.
Writing in the Washington Post Book World, reviewer Michael Kammen, a professor of American History, wrote:
I wish that I could pronounce Zinn's book a great success, but it is not. It is a synthesis of the radical and revisionist historiography of the past decade. . . Not only does the book read like a scissors and paste-pot job, but even less attractive, so much attention to historians, historiography and historical polemic leaves precious little space for the substance of history. . . . We do deserve a people's history; but not a simpleminded history, too often of fools, knaves and Robin Hoods. We need a judicious people's history because the people are entitled to have their history whole; not just those parts that will anger or embarrass them. . . . If that is asking for the moon, then we will cheerfully settle for balanced history.[
 
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Thump553

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Zinn is a johnny one note (like some of the regular posters here, both left and right) and extremely depressing to read. To read his history of the US is basically a leap from one instance of how we screwed over some group to the next such instance. Even Columbus was basically Satan incarnte in Zinn's eyes.

That said, there have been atrocious Supreme Court decisions in the US past, and some in the very recent past as well. Over time these rulings tend to get overturned by more logical minds, that is part of the beauty of our legal system. Sure such terrible decisions (like Dred Scott, Japanese-American internment in WWII, Citizens United, etc.) cause a lot of damage to our society and rights in the short term, but they are not written in stone. Our society can and does evolve and progress.
 

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I wonder then, if, the public reading of the Declaration of Independence would be illegal and a violation of this 1917 law?

I guess a case could be made that it is against this law. Seeing how the Declaration of Independence has no legal standing in our courts, I shall refrain from reading it in public. Lord, knows, I don't want to violate the law.
 

Craig234

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Zinn is a johnny one note (like some of the regular posters here, both left and right) and extremely depressing to read. To read his history of the US is basically a leap from one instance of how we screwed over some group to the next such instance. Even Columbus was basically Satan incarnte in Zinn's eyes.

Actually, Columbus and his backers, Spain, should be viewed as pretty horrible to anyone.

It sounds like an excess of the left when you first hear that - 'oh, blah blah, they weren't nice sailing around making an empire, some toes got stepped on, they're just criticizing anything 'imperialist' - but that's hardly the case. It's far worse. Zinn changed my opinion on the issue; he reported history including Columbus' diary and the reports of a Spanish religious man living there who witnessed what happened.

Basically, Columbus was out adventuring based on big promises of returns to his investors, bringing back gold. His own diary condemns his approach: he reports that upon first discovering land, a group of friendly natives was swimming out to meet his boat, and delivered gifts to his crew. On the first day, he writes that his crew showed swords to the natives to check their reaction and see if they had any familiarity with steel weapons; they didn't, and he then estimates how many Spanish troops will be needed to subjugate the population by force. What a charming thing for us to celebrate as our friendly exploration - not exactly the USS Enterprise.

From there, that's just what they did; determined and desperate to find gold he hoped was there, they enslaved the natives to look for it; IIRC: they'd tell the natives that if they brought an amount of gold, they'd be given a necklace; without that necklace, in 6 months, they could be killed. They were worked to a point of killing them. In not many years, the native population of the island was reduced over 90%.

There were anecdotes of the attitude - Spaniards saw a couple 12 year old boys with a parrot they liked; scratch 12 year old boys, they had a new parrot.

It was a terrible crime wiping out a society and creating tyranny, slavery, violence. It is absolutely the history people should understand, not the Disney version where a friendly Columbus landed and had a nice friendly visit with the natives. Zinn did a great service exposing the history so few are aware of. I don't celebrate Columbus Day any longer, as it's hardly some 'nice' exploration and discovery to celebrate.

That said, there have been atrocious Supreme Court decisions in the US past, and some in the very recent past as well. Over time these rulings tend to get overturned by more logical minds, that is part of the beauty of our legal system. Sure such terrible decisions (like Dred Scott, Japanese-American internment in WWII, Citizens United, etc.) cause a lot of damage to our society and rights in the short term, but they are not written in stone. Our society can and does evolve and progress.

Well, it's hard to argue with that, and it's good news. I'm not sure what the relevance is to discussing both the law and the Supreme Court's interpretation of the first amendment at these times in history. As I said in an edit to the original post, I welcome updates I hope have happened in other cases, but Zinn reports decades of the law being on the books.

It's an important part of the history of the First Amendment.

It's a shock for people who remember the Vietnam War protests, and the draft protests, who think that's 'Americans exercising their first amendment rights', to learn that those activities were given a 20 year prison sentence by Congress that was upheld by the Supreme Court - unanimous and written by Oliver Wendell Holmes no less. It's interesting to understand the 'fire in a crowded theatre' ruling we've all heard was the same one that upheld that massive restriction of free speech.
 
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I don't think that we need Howard Zinn to tell us that Europeans were bloodthirsty barbarians who just wanted to murder the entire world for their own greed. I think that most people know this.
 

Craig234

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I wonder then, if, the public reading of the Declaration of Independence would be illegal and a violation of this 1917 law?

I guess a case could be made that it is against this law. Seeing how the Declaration of Independence has no legal standing in our courts, I shall refrain from reading it in public. Lord, knows, I don't want to violate the law.

FWIW, in the same chapter, Zinn reports on a free speech case where a Lieutenant in Vietnam wanted to pin a copy of the Declaration of Independence to the wall of his barracks; the commanded said it was not allowed and the military lawyers informed the Lieutenant he had no first amendment right to do so. He also recounts the history of how the court has said military people have first amendment rights - but they're restricted. In 1980, they said a base commander has the right to limit circulation of any written material on base.
 
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Zinn is a johnny one note (like some of the regular posters here, both left and right) and extremely depressing to read. To read his history of the US is basically a leap from one instance of how we screwed over some group to the next such instance. Even Columbus was basically Satan incarnte in Zinn's eyes.

That said, there have been atrocious Supreme Court decisions in the US past, and some in the very recent past as well. Over time these rulings tend to get overturned by more logical minds, that is part of the beauty of our legal system. Sure such terrible decisions (like Dred Scott, Japanese-American internment in WWII, Citizens United, etc.) cause a lot of damage to our society and rights in the short term, but they are not written in stone. Our society can and does evolve and progress.

That's because to any thinking, feeling human being, he was. But so were many/most people in his day, so that's not surprising.
 

a777pilot

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FWIW, in the same chapter, Zinn reports on a free speech case where a Lieutenant in Vietnam wanted to pin a copy of the Declaration of Independence to the wall of his barracks; the commanded said it was not allowed and the military lawyers informed the Lieutenant he had no first amendment right to do so. He also recounts the history of how the court has said military people have first amendment rights - but they're restricted. In 1980, they said a base commander has the right to limit circulation of any written material on base.

That's the military and freedoms such as are given civilians do not apply. You would think they would, but you would be wrong.
 

Craig234

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That's the military and freedoms such as are given civilians do not apply. You would think they would, but you would be wrong.

No, I wouldn't think that really, I'm not surprised and am not sure I really have any objection about posted material. It is the military.

But it does get sticky, especially in peacetime, and especially if the commander is indoctrinating soldiers himself - like the way in that same era they used to order masses of soldiers to attend speeches by the John Birch Society, and the soldiers are prevented from hearing or offering any other view. That gets abusive - and these are the people presumably 'serving to protect rights like free speech'.

That comes up today in debates about things like the armed forces radio network, with shows like Rush Limbaugh, deciding what shows with other views can be heard on it.
 

Woofmeister

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As I said in an edit to the original post, I welcome updates I hope have happened in other cases, but Zinn reports decades of the law being on the books.

Yes, but Zinn conveniently neglects to mention the whole line of cases dating back to 1942 which have interpreted the Espionage Act of 1917 in the most restrictive possible manner. Since he wrote A People's History of the United States in 1980, Zinn's either a very sloppy researcher or a polemicist who deliberately omits details that refute his thesis that the American Government is evil.
 

Tom

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Craig234 logic: There are people starving in Somalia right now. They would be happy to have a 1st Amendment interpreted in any way as long as they had as much food to eat as fat Americans did.

maybe stop having babies if you can't feed them ?

these donuts are delicious, btw.