A Legal Question

Stg-Flame

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Alright, due to my house burning down in January, I am staying with a friend of mine. I am 20 and he is 19. He is renting this house from his parents, who actually own the house.

He has decided to attach himself to a bevy of highschoolers for his friends. Without any type of parental figure present, this house has become a hangout spot for 20+ underage high school students. They come and go as they please - no calls, no knocking on the door, no asking to come in. They just walk in, make themselves at home, do what they will, and then leave; but not before smoking weed here.

Here is the predicament:

I will be turning 21 on April 2nd. He works with a lot of older guys who occasionally buy him beer and his high school friends almost always show up with a full bag of weed. Now, I don't smoke anything and I only drink during social occasions, but with me being the oldest one in the household, and soon to be legal to buy alcohol, I am almost positive that the cops are going to show up due to the large number of teenagers coming and going, and they are going to charge me with providing alcohol to minors as well as the drug charges.

Now, I have spoken to my friend whom I'm staying with about this and he shrugged it off. Typical of him. He told me that if the cops show up and find the beer and drugs, he will just get a warning and (his words) "maybe if the cops are being assholes, I will get a small fine."

As you can see, he doesn't understand how the real world works and most likely won't fully comprehend it until he is sitting in jail awaiting to be prosecuted for the aforementioned crimes - most likely awaiting a prison sentence.

What I am wondering, is if there is anything I can do to help prove my innocence, should the cops come over. My room is right across a very small hallway to the room where they all smoke and the smell usually filters into my room. I have incense lit almost 24/7 to mask the smell for my own benefit, but if the cops come in here and smell incense, their instincts will tell them that I am hiding something. Also, more times than not, the kids leave the bedroom door open which fills the entire house full of smoke. Until it airs out, I don't leave my room. During this occasion where the house is being ventilated, you can actually see smoke coming out of the windows and screen-door - which is another big risk if someone called the fire department, the cops would show up as well.

Sorry for the long post, but I want to know if there are any type of precautionary measures I can take to vindicate myself as being innocent. And yes, I know moving out would be step one, but I don't have the money, nor the time since I have a full-time college schedule.

Any input on this is greatly appreciated.
 

jlee

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Dude, you need to move. Like...yesterday.

..do you have a job?
 

Stg-Flame

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I don't have a job a the moment. Nobody wants to work around my schedule of classes on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. I can get a Work Study at the college, but they only pay minimum wage and I would be working less than 20 hours a week.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
I don't have a job a the moment. Nobody wants to work around my schedule of classes on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. I can get a Work Study at the college, but they only pay minimum wage and I would be working less than 20 hours a week.

Eh, are you in a really smalll, po-dunk town? Otherwise, places are always looking for entry level grunts.

If you really want to work, you can look into working overnights depending on your school schedule. Otherwise, look for retail and food service.
 

BoomerD

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I can see nothing but good coming from this. You need to start demanding they bring their teenie girlfriends over for your...satisfaction if they want to keep using the place as a party-pad...:roll:


or MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF THERE BEFORE YOU GO TO JAIL!! As the person over 21 living there, YOU will get the biggest hit by the cops for whatever charge your state has for contributing to the delinquince of a minor/providing minors with drugs/alcohol/etc.
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
I don't have a job a the moment. Nobody wants to work around my schedule of classes on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. I can get a Work Study at the college, but they only pay minimum wage and I would be working less than 20 hours a week.

I must've missed the part where $0 > $(any)

:confused:



You could always stop at the PD on your way back from class, and invite a couple of officers to drop by at a convenient time...imagine the hilarity. :D
 

Stg-Flame

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
I don't have a job a the moment. Nobody wants to work around my schedule of classes on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. I can get a Work Study at the college, but they only pay minimum wage and I would be working less than 20 hours a week.

Eh, are you in a really smalll, po-dunk town? Otherwise, places are always looking for entry level grunts.

If you really want to work, you can look into working overnights depending on your school schedule. Otherwise, look for retail and food service.

Aztec New Mexico. Population less than 7 thousand. You can actually drive through Aztec in a few minutes and the only way you would know that you are in a town would be a Safe-Way grocery store near Highway 550.
 

Stg-Flame

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Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
I don't have a job a the moment. Nobody wants to work around my schedule of classes on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. I can get a Work Study at the college, but they only pay minimum wage and I would be working less than 20 hours a week.

I must've missed the part where $0 > $(any)

:confused:



You could always stop at the PD on your way back from class, and invite a couple of officers to drop by at a convenient time...imagine the hilarity. :D

I know what you are saying, but the thing with the Work Studies are that I must stay behind the tech counter unless I am helping someone. They do not allow desktop PCs to be at the tech desk, but they do allow laptops. I don't have the money to buy one, nor do I own one. So I would be making some money, but I wouldn't be getting any homework done.

At the moment, I am still behind in my work due to the time I had to take off of class from my house burning down.
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
I don't have a job a the moment. Nobody wants to work around my schedule of classes on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. I can get a Work Study at the college, but they only pay minimum wage and I would be working less than 20 hours a week.

Eh, are you in a really smalll, po-dunk town? Otherwise, places are always looking for entry level grunts.

If you really want to work, you can look into working overnights depending on your school schedule. Otherwise, look for retail and food service.

Aztec New Mexico. Population less than 7 thousand. You can actually drive through Aztec in a few minutes and the only way you would know that you are in a town would be a Safe-Way grocery store near Highway 550.

Jobs are out there - you just need to look for them. How much time have you spent in the last week actively looking for employment?

I just looked at your city website...I could move out there and get a $2.25/hr raise...
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
I don't have a job a the moment. Nobody wants to work around my schedule of classes on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. I can get a Work Study at the college, but they only pay minimum wage and I would be working less than 20 hours a week.

I must've missed the part where $0 > $(any)

:confused:



You could always stop at the PD on your way back from class, and invite a couple of officers to drop by at a convenient time...imagine the hilarity. :D

I know what you are saying, but the thing with the Work Studies are that I must stay behind the tech counter unless I am helping someone. They do not allow desktop PCs to be at the tech desk, but they do allow laptops. I don't have the money to buy one, nor do I own one. So I would be making some money, but I wouldn't be getting any homework done.

At the moment, I am still behind in my work due to the time I had to take off of class from my house burning down.

Do you have any other friends you could stay with? Can you get housing assistance through the college?
 

jlee

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I just called Safeway in Aztec and spoke with..'Mike', I think. Wasn't paying much attention. He said they're hiring. 505-334-7334.

There you go. :)
 

AlienCraft

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The worse part will be when they boot you out of school for contributing to the delinqunecy of minors.
That Phone call home will be tense.

Some kid is GOING to get caught and then they will set your ass up to stay out of trouble.
I'll bet you make the local news.
 

Stg-Flame

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Thanks for going through all the trouble, but I have filled out an application for Safeway already. They said they only needed full-time people at the moment, but should any part-time positions open, he will consider me first. My brother worked there for four years - two of which were due to the managers cornering him and asking him to come back.

As for the other jobs, there are numerous positions along the Aztec - Bloomfield highway that I could get jobs with. At the moment, I need to focus on homework and getting caught back up since I am going to the college on a full scholarship, plus I am in the Honors Program.

Also, I still have $858 left in my bank account from a $1,000 scholarship I received to help out with expenses from the fire. I need to save every bit of money I can because getting the destroyed trailer out and a new one in is going to cost a lot of money. Some of which, I will have to contribute.

The living situation is pretty much set. Although I had a ton of friends during highschool, I lost contact with almost all of them. Most went to college, some went to work, others just got the hell out of dodge. Also, the college is a community college, so they don't have any dorms, but I think they own a set of apartments across the street. I am not completely sure as I heard from a classmate that they are horribly expensive.

Again, thanks for the help.
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Thanks for going through all the trouble, but I have filled out an application for Safeway already. They said they only needed full-time people at the moment, but should any part-time positions open, he will consider me first. My brother worked there for four years - two of which were due to the managers cornering him and asking him to come back.

As for the other jobs, there are numerous positions along the Aztec - Bloomfield highway that I could get jobs with. At the moment, I need to focus on homework and getting caught back up since I am going to the college on a full scholarship, plus I am in the Honors Program.

Also, I still have $858 left in my bank account from a $1,000 scholarship I received to help out with expenses from the fire. I need to save every bit of money I can because getting the destroyed trailer out and a new one in is going to cost a lot of money. Some of which, I will have to contribute.

The living situation is pretty much set. Although I had a ton of friends during highschool, I lost contact with almost all of them. Most went to college, some went to work, others just got the hell out of dodge. Also, the college is a community college, so they don't have any dorms, but I think they own a set of apartments across the street. I am not completely sure as I heard from a classmate that they are horribly expensive.

Again, thanks for the help.

You need to get out as soon as possible - an arrest might cost you your scholarship & honors classes..

Good luck with everything!
 

Orsorum

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Yeah, you need to get out of that situation ASAP. You will be held responsible as the oldest and the one legally permitted to buy alcohol. The roommate factor is a loser, too; if the roommate has no respect for your well-being then it's time to leave.
 

punchkin

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Yeah, you need to get out of that situation ASAP. You will be held responsible as the oldest and the one legally permitted to buy alcohol. The roommate factor is a loser, too; if the roommate has no respect for your well-being then it's time to leave.

You don't know that he "will" be held responsible. There would have to be at least SOME evidence against him. Unfortunately, that could be as little as perjured testimony.
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Yeah, you need to get out of that situation ASAP. You will be held responsible as the oldest and the one legally permitted to buy alcohol. The roommate factor is a loser, too; if the roommate has no respect for your well-being then it's time to leave.

You don't know that he "will" be held responsible. There would have to be at least SOME evidence against him. Unfortunately, that could be as little as perjured testimony.

A dozen teenagers all saying that he bought beer for them just might do it...I can't find much good in this situation..
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Yeah, you need to get out of that situation ASAP. You will be held responsible as the oldest and the one legally permitted to buy alcohol. The roommate factor is a loser, too; if the roommate has no respect for your well-being then it's time to leave.

You don't know that he "will" be held responsible. There would have to be at least SOME evidence against him. Unfortunately, that could be as little as perjured testimony.

A dozen teenagers all saying that he bought beer for them just might do it...I can't find much good in this situation..

Ding ding ding. In the dozens of interactions I had in college where I worked with police officers to enforce WA's alcohol rules, they, to a T, held those of legal age responsible if they were present. By opening up your residence to such an environment you are providing even if you don't buy the alcohol yourself.

Now if he stays away from his residence during the party times that's another matter, but I don't see that as an option.
 

punchkin

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Yeah, you need to get out of that situation ASAP. You will be held responsible as the oldest and the one legally permitted to buy alcohol. The roommate factor is a loser, too; if the roommate has no respect for your well-being then it's time to leave.

You don't know that he "will" be held responsible. There would have to be at least SOME evidence against him. Unfortunately, that could be as little as perjured testimony.

A dozen teenagers all saying that he bought beer for them just might do it...I can't find much good in this situation..

Ding ding ding. In the dozens of interactions I had in college where I worked with police officers to enforce WA's alcohol rules, they, to a T, held those of legal age responsible if they were present. By opening up your residence to such an environment you are providing even if you don't buy the alcohol yourself.

Now if he stays away from his residence during the party times that's another matter, but I don't see that as an option.

Nope, sorry. I must not have been clear. There's no such thing as just "holding someone responsible" because they're over 21.

 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Yeah, you need to get out of that situation ASAP. You will be held responsible as the oldest and the one legally permitted to buy alcohol. The roommate factor is a loser, too; if the roommate has no respect for your well-being then it's time to leave.

You don't know that he "will" be held responsible. There would have to be at least SOME evidence against him. Unfortunately, that could be as little as perjured testimony.

A dozen teenagers all saying that he bought beer for them just might do it...I can't find much good in this situation..

Ding ding ding. In the dozens of interactions I had in college where I worked with police officers to enforce WA's alcohol rules, they, to a T, held those of legal age responsible if they were present. By opening up your residence to such an environment you are providing even if you don't buy the alcohol yourself.

Now if he stays away from his residence during the party times that's another matter, but I don't see that as an option.

Nope, sorry. I must not have been clear. There's no such thing as just "holding someone responsible" because they're over 21.

At the very least, there's a good chance (since these are HS kids) he'd get hit with a charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor simply for allowing the kids to drink on the property.
 

punchkin

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Yeah, you need to get out of that situation ASAP. You will be held responsible as the oldest and the one legally permitted to buy alcohol. The roommate factor is a loser, too; if the roommate has no respect for your well-being then it's time to leave.

You don't know that he "will" be held responsible. There would have to be at least SOME evidence against him. Unfortunately, that could be as little as perjured testimony.

A dozen teenagers all saying that he bought beer for them just might do it...I can't find much good in this situation..

Ding ding ding. In the dozens of interactions I had in college where I worked with police officers to enforce WA's alcohol rules, they, to a T, held those of legal age responsible if they were present. By opening up your residence to such an environment you are providing even if you don't buy the alcohol yourself.

Now if he stays away from his residence during the party times that's another matter, but I don't see that as an option.

Nope, sorry. I must not have been clear. There's no such thing as just "holding someone responsible" because they're over 21.

At the very least, there's a good chance (since these are HS kids) he'd get hit with a charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor simply for allowing the kids to drink on the property.

... except that in this case, he's staying with his friend, who is renting from his friend's parents. He doesn't have legal control of anything, hence the problem.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Yeah, you need to get out of that situation ASAP. You will be held responsible as the oldest and the one legally permitted to buy alcohol. The roommate factor is a loser, too; if the roommate has no respect for your well-being then it's time to leave.

You don't know that he "will" be held responsible. There would have to be at least SOME evidence against him. Unfortunately, that could be as little as perjured testimony.

A dozen teenagers all saying that he bought beer for them just might do it...I can't find much good in this situation..

Ding ding ding. In the dozens of interactions I had in college where I worked with police officers to enforce WA's alcohol rules, they, to a T, held those of legal age responsible if they were present. By opening up your residence to such an environment you are providing even if you don't buy the alcohol yourself.

Now if he stays away from his residence during the party times that's another matter, but I don't see that as an option.

Nope, sorry. I must not have been clear. There's no such thing as just "holding someone responsible" because they're over 21.

At the very least, there's a good chance (since these are HS kids) he'd get hit with a charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor simply for allowing the kids to drink on the property.

... except that in this case, he's staying with his friend, who is renting from his friend's parents. He doesn't have legal control of anything, hence the problem.

Are you a lawyer? If so, you'd better send the OP your card so he can call you when things go to shit. ;)
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: punchkin
... except that in this case, he's staying with his friend, who is renting from his friend's parents. He doesn't have legal control of anything, hence the problem.

I hadn't considered that. You may be right.