A great small business near us is closing

Exterous

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They had great products, reasonable prices and amazing customer service and had been around for 20 years so both my wife and I were saddened to see the "Store Closing" sale signs up today. We made a special trip in to visit. Its a small home specialty store that we've used quite a few times since we moved to the area. Talking to the owners its a mix of getting old, tired of working every saturday and increasing rent pressures. Our area has been going through a housing\property boom for a few years and we've noticed an increase in small businesses closing to be replaced by large chain\big box stores that, I am assuming, are more easily able to absorb the increased property cost(Starting with this one: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/today-is-a-sad-day.2484395/)

We were actually going to use them again in a month or two for a new home project but it seems like we'll have to use the big box stores and their much worse customer service. I'm pretty bummed to see them go
 

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Yeah it's always sad to see a small business go under. Between big box and online competition margins are tighter than ever so it's hard for smaller stores to compete. We have a local Ace that is in a similar situation ever since the Menards came to town several years ago. I would hate to see them go but I fear it's only a matter of time.
 

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Can someone explain the love for small businesses to me? The big box retailer has better selection, prices, and employs more people.

We hate big box retailers because....
 

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Can someone explain the love for small businesses to me? The big box retailer has better selection, prices, and employs more people.

We hate big box retailers because....

You typically find more knowledgeable not to mention more helpful people at mom and pop stores.

They tend to carry higher quality stuff since they don't buy huge quantities of a product and distribute across the country. Which also happens to be their down fall.

I mean I can go to my local lumber yard and get straight 2x4s. I can talk to an engineer there about LvL sizing and pickup siding that's not going to fade in a year.

I can go to my local electrical store and talk to someone that knows local codes. Get products Electrican's actually use.

At a big box store I have to hunt around for a human half the time and once found I get a 404 error half the time,

The local hardware stores were awesome but now extinct. They carried odd ball nuts, bolts, screws thst you just can't find in a big box store. I believe the quality was much better too.
 
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bbhaag

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Can someone explain the love for small businesses to me? The big box retailer has better selection, prices, and employs more people.

We hate big box retailers because....
I like the one on one personal attention I get from the employees an the fact that they are willing to help and usually give good advice. When I go into Menards most of the time the employees do not attempt to even make eye contact and usually ignore my presence. When I approach them with a question I usually get generic or bad advice.
While you're correct that bigger corporations do employ more people what is the cost on the back end to the community as a whole? Such as tax advantages that are usually given as an incentive but end up hurting the local community.
 

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We hate big box retailers because....
They eat shit. Whenever I need real tools for real work, homedepot fails, but I can get what I need from store that has a fraction of their floor space. It's amazing that they can take up so much room, and carry so little. My success rate is <50% looking for stuff more complicated than lightbulbs or common nails.
 

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Typically it's great to see nice people running these small businesses, but to the avg consumer, they're looking for the most affordable (doesn't always mean worst quality) product rather than the friendly faces. Some place like a hardware store will usually carry the same products, but at higher prices since they have to operate on larger margins. Even the internet is killing them, not just big-box stores.

The only reason I go to a local hardware store instead of Home Depot or Amazon is because I want it the same day and it's only a 2 minute drive. In some cases, I'll pay an extra few bucks for that. I also have a new favorite local jeweler because of their service, but they've made what - $31 off me in 2 months. Not exactly sustaining their business with my patronage. The best I can do for them is word of mouth. It's much easier for chains to survive since they have that built-in.
 
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Can someone explain the love for small businesses to me? The big box retailer has better selection, prices, and employs more people.

We hate big box retailers because....

The money I spend at Mom & Pop places stay within my community. Big box stores ship all the money to headquarters.
 

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Can someone explain the love for small businesses to me? The big box retailer has better selection, prices, and employs more people.

So thats going to vary by business and not every small business is a good one but in this case:

Better customer service. They were proactive about an order issue with a vendor, kept me informed throughout the process and had already come up with an alternative if I didn't want to wait for the vendor. Compare that to Lowes where I had to call them when my most recent online order never shipped. You would think there was a warehouse report or something when an order is pulled but then just sits there waiting to be shipped but nope - thats on me the customer to notice and then sit on hold for an hour while they figure out what happened

Better flexibility. The owner is right there if something out of the ordinary comes up so you can work out an issue. With lowes you need to work your way up through the supervisor to the asst manager to the store manager, if they're there or if they remember to call you back, and then maybe even corporate. The broad and sometimes draconian policies get in the way that they may not be able to bend or slavishly adhere to

Better selection. Not necessarily at the store level but they could order a huge array of stuff I can't get from the big box. Stacks and stacks of catalogs from vendors (many not open to the public) I could order from which leads to the next benefit

Knowledge. We talk to them about what we are looking for and, if they don't have it there, they know exactly what catalogs to pull to give us options and can give me information about the manufacturer. Way better than the questionable to useless online filters or the big box staff that received no product training (if you can find one who works in that area).

I mean I can go to my local lumber yard and get straight 2x4s.

Ugh - the 2x4s at Lowes and HD around here are terrible. But there is no lumber yard within a reasonable distance so I get to pick through all the warped and twisted ones to find an occasional straight one.

Typically it's great to see nice people running these small businesses, but to the avg consumer, they're looking for the most affordable (doesn't always mean worst quality) product rather than the friendly faces. Some place like a hardware store will usually carry the same products, but at higher prices since they have to operate on larger margins. Even the internet is killing them, not just big-box stores.

The only reason I go to a local hardware store instead of Home Depot or Amazon is because I want it the same day and it's only a 2 minute drive. In some cases, I'll pay an extra few bucks for that. I also have a new favorite local jeweler because of their service, but they've made what - $31 off me in 2 months. Not exactly sustaining their business with my patronage. The best I can do for them is word of mouth. It's much easier for chains to survive since they have that built-in.

Yeah I get those two points. It's the same reason Walmart has done so well and Spirit has grown so quickly. My wife and I did talk about how, while we always go buy stuff from them, it probably only paid for a week's worth of rent over the last 2.5 years (let alone power, wages etc)
 
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Ugh - the 2x4s at Lowes and HD around here are terrible. But there is no lumber yard within a reasonable distance so I get to pick through all the warped and twisted ones to find an occasional straight one.

They do have nice 2x4's, you're just not there early enough to get all the good ones. The real contractors take them all right when they open.
 

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Can someone explain the love for small businesses to me? The big box retailer has better selection, prices, and employs more people.

We hate big box retailers because....

3 or 4 trips to Lowes and Home Depot last week: "Yeah, talk to Michael...is Michael here?" Michael: "Yeah, I don't know anything about that, talk to Chris." Chris: Looks up the item on the website, directs me to an isle completely unrelated to the product I asked about. has no idea how to use it, so, no one gives advice.

I'm familiar with 2 or 3 specific people at each of my local Lowes or Home Depot that are knowledgeable and helpful, but other than that, it's a huge crapshoot. Good luck finding quality lumber.
 

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I don't have any local hardware shops in my neck of the woods. They have all been eaten up by ACE or Tru-value.

I find that Menard's has the best quality and selection of wood out of the big box places.