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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Where does armed revolution against a lawful democratically-elected government align with conservative principles regarding law and order? Particularly when that lawfully elected government is also a conservative government?
The cynical part of me says that the reason that conservatives bring up the 2a when conservative government officials are undermining Constitutional rights is because they support what's happening but are afraid to say so.
Because we all know that the conservatives would support that government in the name of 'law and order' against an armed revolution.
Probably the same place it does with liberal principals. From my experience, most normal-joe folks are neutral-good, they tend to align with the rules when it benefits them, or at least when it's not too inconvenient. I'm fairly sure the chances of a given person 'overthrowing' a dictator in the US being of a specific political alignment is fairly close to the actual split of political parties, a few nutters notwithstanding.
 

Moonbeam

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I'm saying that holding a 'free speech' rally in order to beat up people because you disagree with their speech is today's right wing way of doing things.
I got that part. I just wanted to emphasize the fact that most people might think there's a logic to the way things are done and that's how come they are done that way. I just wanted to suggest that far from being logical, things are often done in a ass backward way that people who fall into such patterns may easily miss.

For many with the philosophy, I yam what I yam and dats what I yam they can wake up one day and find they are worshiping an orange potato.
 

UNCjigga

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Dead when it hits the supreme court.

Maybe, maybe not. Between this bill, Obamacare provisions and new anti-abortion measures being considered, it seems like conservatives are going to be throwing anything and everything at SCOTUS to see what sticks.
 

Vic

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I got that part. I just wanted to emphasize the fact that most people might think there's a logic to the way things are done and that's how come they are done that way. I just wanted to suggest that far from being logical, things are often done in a ass backward way that people who fall into such patterns may easily miss.

For many with the philosophy, I yam what I yam and dats what I yam they can wake up one day and find they are worshiping an orange potato.
IMO the problem here lies with believing that one is a 'patriot' or a 'freedom fighter' because one believes in and fights for one's own freedoms, to the point of suppressing the freedoms of others. This is delusional. Even the most tyrannical dictator believes in and fights for his own freedoms. In fact, that's usually why they became a dictator.
 

Aikouka

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IMO the problem here lies with believing that one is a 'patriot' or a 'freedom fighter' because one believes in and fights for one's own freedoms, to the point of suppressing the freedoms of others. This is delusional. Even the most tyrannical dictator believes in and fights for his own freedoms. In fact, that's usually why they became a dictator.

The way I see it, I don't think people look at it from the standpoint that they're suppressing their fellow Americans. Keep in mind that the constant rhetoric of the "leader" of the Republican party is that the mainstream media is the enemy. So, in the eyes of some, they're not trying to suppress their fellow Americans, but rather trying to stop "the enemy".
 

Vic

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The way I see it, I don't think people look at it from the standpoint that they're suppressing their fellow Americans. Keep in mind that the constant rhetoric of the "leader" of the Republican party is that the mainstream media is the enemy. So, in the eyes of some, they're not trying to suppress their fellow Americans, but rather trying to stop "the enemy".
'The enemy' that happens to be their fellow American citizens whose only 'crime' is disagreeing with them.
 
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Moonbeam

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The way I see it, I don't think people look at it from the standpoint that they're suppressing their fellow Americans. Keep in mind that the constant rhetoric of the "leader" of the Republican party is that the mainstream media is the enemy. So, in the eyes of some, they're not trying to suppress their fellow Americans, but rather trying to stop "the enemy".
'The enemy' that happens to be their fellow American citizens whose only 'crime' is disagreeing with them.
Which brings us to what I believe is the issue, authoritarian concepts of good and evil based on certainty of conviction.

The authoritarian on the left or the right is convinced he or she knows what evil is, what evil deserves and who is actually evil and based entirely on unconsciously held assumptions programmed into the individual at a time before he or she could reason. The result is a war between various robotic mechanical programs to weed out other robotic mechanical programs deemed heretical and of course, anybody not running such a program.

And all of this tells us that this wheel of Karma will run endlessly until the consciousness of the mechanical nature of human psychology reaches sufficient critical mass to finally do something real about the issue, the conscious deprogramming of humanity. The alternative to me looks like extinction.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Which brings us to what I believe is the issue, authoritarian concepts of good and evil based on certainty of conviction.

The authoritarian on the left or the right is convinced he or she knows what evil is, what evil deserves and who is actually evil and based entirely on unconsciously held assumptions programmed into the individual at a time before he or she could reason. The result is a war between various robotic mechanical programs to weed out other robotic mechanical programs deemed heretical and of course, anybody not running such a program.

And all of this tells us that this wheel of Karma will run endlessly until the consciousness of the mechanical nature of human psychology reaches sufficient critical mass to finally do something real about the issue, the conscious deprogramming of humanity. The alternative to me looks like extinction.

Well, we're seeking extinction in ways far more effective than any other in the history of the planet, so we're already ahead as a species on that score.

I resist violence but my dark humor side wonders if it may come to those not seeking complete obliteration of life to adopt a different position than we'd normally advocate.

 
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Hayabusa Rider

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