A good read on the Wen Ho Lee investigation...especially for those that constantly say "Clinton sold Nuke secrets"

[Pennstate]

Here


SOme of you folks need to be more critical of what you read.

 

[brxndxn]

That presents no evidence against the statement "Clinton sold Nuke secrets" ..

In fact, it doesn't even explain why or attempt to prove Lee's innocence.

What happened to him that was so bad?

The article seems to say he was innocent just because his friends say he's not the type of guy to do those things...

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

PS, where you been. Haven't seen you for months!!

 

[Pennstate]

brxndxn


It's apparrent that you didn't read the whole 9-page long article, or else you wouldn't be asking those questions


Hamburgerpimp

self-imposed exile to clear my head

 

[shopbruin]

<< That presents no evidence against the statement &quot;Clinton sold Nuke secrets&quot; ..

In fact, it doesn't even explain why or attempt to prove Lee's innocence.

What happened to him that was so bad?

The article seems to say he was innocent just because his friends say he's not the type of guy to do those things... >>



you need to read more than just the first page.

he did not pass nuclear secrets onto china. he was innocent. he pleaded guilty to one count of illegally downloading data.

the guy said in the article that he was prosecuted to show that the adminstration was tough on chinese spying. they went after a guy that did absolutely none of that though.

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

Well, nothing has changed here, except a few regulars are gone. Some weird sh1t. Oyeah, GirlFriday is really a girl.

 

[OS]

<< In fact, it doesn't even explain why or attempt to prove Lee's innocence. >>



Maybe you should read past page 2




<< What happened to him that was so bad? >>



See above response




<< The article seems to say he was innocent just because his friends say he's not the type of guy to do those things... >>



See above response

 

[Pennstate]

The biggest threat to democracy is apathy. brxndxn's post is a prime example

 

[OS]

Dear god, I'm appalled at what I just read.

 

[Amused]

<< Here


SOme of you folks need to be more critical of what you read. >>



Uh huh. And &quot;The Nation&quot; is known for it's fair and balanced reporting???

It's about as far left as a publication can get.

Who needs to be more critical of what they read???

 

[etech]

Pennstate, do you believe that only one case was the reason for the allegations the Clinton sold nuclear secrets

 

[classy]

<< Pennstate, do you believe that only one case was the reason for the allegations the Clinton sold nuclear secrets >>

etech

Let me guess etech, you minion, you have literally dozens lined up to say he did I guess? This is so stupid. Its funny how dumb some people are. What would he exactly gain by the way by doing this? A lot of accusing but no proof of any kind of motive. He was the President of the most powerful country in the world. What would he gain by selling secrets? Nothing. And if it was done during his administration, he surely didn't know about it. But now lets talk about Reagan for minute. And Bush Sr. Those two clowns literally should have been put in jail for what they done. They would have been put in there if Bush hadn't won the presidency and literally pardoned everyone invloved before they could even be questioned. The GOP garbage hypocrisy just stinks to high heaven. God the GOP sucks.

 

[Linflas]

<<

<< Pennstate, do you believe that only one case was the reason for the allegations the Clinton sold nuclear secrets >>

etech

Let me guess etech, you minion, you have literally dozens lined up to say he did I guess? This is so stupid. Its funny how dumb some people are. What would he exactly gain by the way by doing this? >>


Lots of dollars into the coffers of the democratic party for starters.


<< A lot of accusing but no proof of any kind of motive. He was the President of the most powerful country in the world. What would he gain by selling secrets? Nothing. >>


Once again dollars into the coffers of the democratic party.


<< And if it was done during his administration, he surely didn't know about it. >>


No doubt since he really knew nothing that was going on according to him and his defenders. Pretty ignorant of everything going on around him for the brilliant people he and Hillary are always portrayed as.


<< But now lets talk about Reagan for minute. And Bush Sr. Those two clowns literally should have been put in jail for what they done. They would have been put in there if Bush hadn't won the presidency and literally pardoned everyone invloved before they could even be questioned. The GOP garbage hypocrisy just stinks to high heaven. God the GOP sucks. >>


I assume the above refers to the Iran-Contra mess. Funny how the same people that hated the endless Ken Starr investigation loved the endless Lawrence Walsh investigation.

 

[classy]

<< Lots of dollars into the coffers of the democratic party for starters. >>



He was already elected and in office. He didn't need any money. You can do better than that, can't you? Funny how you don't deny that Reagan and Bush senior, not the drunk jr., should have been put in jail. They didn't just get accused of selling secrets, those morons just gave the terrorists the whole finished product.

 

[Linflas]

<<

<< Lots of dollars into the coffers of the democratic party for starters. >>



He was already elected and in office. He didn't need any money. You can do better than that, can't you? Funny how you don't deny that Reagan and Bush senior, not the drunk jr., should have been put in jail. They didn't just get accused of selling secrets, those morons just gave the terrorists the whole finished product. >>


He was in office yet could not get anything through congress since both sides were under Republican control. Furthermore all this took place when he was running for election for his second term so the &quot;elected and in office&quot; do not matter. As for Iran-Contra I think Reagan let his desire to win the release of hostages outweigh good judgement but that is hardly a jailable offense. As to the Contra half there was never a direct link established to either Reagan or Bush therefore once again no jail time is indicated.

 

[classy]

<< As for Iran-Contra I think Reagan let his desire to win the release of hostages outweigh good judgement but that is hardly a jailable offense. >>



What are you smoking? Thats like having a hostage situation at a bank. And the two robbers say give us a tank and we'll let the people go. lol You are clueless. You have no understanding whatsoever of what Reagan and Bush did when they did that.

 

[etech]

NY Times
A study we recently completed shows that the Commerce Department approved more than $15 billion worth of strategically sensitive exports to China in the last decade. Although supposedly intended for civilian purposes, the department's records show that much of this &quot;dual-use&quot; equipment went directly to nuclear-missile and military sites, the vertebrae of China's strategic backbone.

More than half of the $15 billion in exports consisted of computers. China had been denied access to high-performance computers until President Clinton loosened computer controls in 1996, after strenuous lobbying by his political supporters in Silicon Valley. Then a flood of computer exports began.

In all, the military and strategic value of what China got from the Commerce Department was at least as great as what it may have gotten from spies......

fas.org/news/china
TEXT: &quot;THE WASHINGTON POST,&quot; FOR ITS PART, WONDERS ABOUT
POSSIBLE ULTERIOR MOTIVES OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION FOR BEING
SO SLOW TO RESPOND.

VOICE: THIS WAS SERIOUS STUFF. IT REFLECTED A FAILURE OF
SECURITY ... NO LESS DISMAYING IS THE ATTITUDE THE
CLINTON TEAM SEEMS TO HAVE TAKEN BEFORE A BELATEDLY
ENERGIZED GOVERNMENT FINALLY ... CAUGHT ON TO THE SCOPE
OF THE SPYING AND STARTED PUTTING BASIC SECURITY REFORMS
INTO PLACE. ... WAS THE AMERICAN RESPONSE DUE TO [:] A
WISH FOR A PRE-ELECTORAL BURIAL OF CHARGES THAT OFFICIAL
CHINESE HAD SENT FUNDS TO THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN IN 1996?
TO A DESIRE NOT TO INTERFERE WITH AMERICAN HIGH-TECH
EXPORTS? TO AN INTENT TO PROTECT THE FAVORED CLINTON
POLICY OF 'ENGAGEMENT' WITH CHINA?

Just for your edification Classy &quot;He was already elected and in office. He didn't need any money.

afpc.org
The chief of Chinese military intelligence secretly directed funds from Beijing to help reelect President Clinton in 1996, former Democratic Party fundraiser Johnny Chung has told federal investigators, the Los Angeles Times reports. Chung, a Taiwan-born American, says he met three times with the intelligence official, General Ji Shengde, who ordered a $300,000 deposit transferred into the Torrance, California businessman's bank account to subsidize campaign donations intended for the Clinton-Gore campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

Key aspects of Chung's testimony have been corroborated by financial records in the United States and Hong Kong, according to law enforcement sources. The disclosure corroborates earlier findings by a Senate investigation headed by Senator Fred Thompson that the highest echelon of China's intelligence apparatus was involved in a covert plan to influence the U.S. election. As head of the Qinghaobu intelligence wing of the general staff of the PLA, Ji's responsibilities also include military intelligence in Hong Kong.

 

[KingHam]

It's all in the Cox Report. Don't bother with those Pinkos over at the Nattion.

KingHam

 

[67gt500]

LOL

the nation.. the most unbiased source of news the world over... ahaha

The Cox report was a bipartisan investigation into the matters. It is the only source worth reading.. and the only source I will read.

 

[67gt500]

You are clueless. You have no understanding whatsoever of what Reagan and Bush did when they did that.

Nor do you Classy.

 

[67gt500]

He was already elected and in office. He didn't need any money.

So f'in far out in left field classy you haven't the slightest. The democratic party lost the house AND the senate in 94. THEY MOST CERTAINLY DID NEED THE MONEY to regain control in 98.

This is so stupid. Its funny how dumb some people are. What would he exactly gain by the way by doing this?
And if it was done during his administration, he surely didn't know about it.

Surely he didn't know about it? The self proclaimed man involved in every aspect of his presidency?


he surely didn't know about it.
he surely didn't know about it.
he surely didn't know about it.
he surely didn't know about it.
he surely didn't know about it.
he surely didn't know about it.


boy, I hope you are kidding.

 

[DefRef]

<yawn> Same old, same old....

Liberals saying that the conservatives sources are irrelevant and then throw up the shiboleth that Reagan and Bush Sr. were worse than anything that nice, persecuted Billy Clinton boy ever dreamed of doing.

BULLSH*T!!!:|

1. Clinton sold out the country for campaign buckage. (That USED TO be called treason in the old days when that sort of stuff mattered.)
2. Clinton's generation is full of pinko sympathizers who genuinely believe that the greatest threat to freedom and security in the world is the USA!!!:Q They believe that anything that can be done to undermine America's strengths and bolster the sworn enemies of America (Russia, China, North Korea) was for the betterment of all.
3. The reason the Left hates Reagan so much and smears and lies about him constantly is because he ended the Cold War and defeated the Soviet Union. Iran-Contra was only wrong because the proceeds were being used to fight the Communist Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
4. The Democrats used to vote against Contra funding at every turn and then fly down to apologize to Daniel Ortega for our bothering them. The Democrats WANTED as many Soviet satellites in the Western Hemisphere to threaten us.

Face it, the Democrats are mostly AMERICA-HATING, TOTALITARIAN WANNABES who envy the regimes of Stalin and Mao. The GOP may be a herd of moronic hypocrites, but they don't want to sell out their fellow countrymen for money or power.

Also, no one under the mid-30s should dare preach about the Reagan years. You only know the lies taught in schools and WEREN'T THERE YOURSELVES. I wouldn't tell a WWII vet what the War was like, so don't try to regurgitate your sophomore college programming as &quot;facts&quot;.

 

[Linflas]

DefRef Not all of Clintons generation believe this stuff. Some of the hardest hitting conservative/libertarian op-ed folks are former 60's leftwingers that grew up and realized that with all it's faults the US is a great country founded on noble ideas. David Horowitz and PJ O'Rourke come to mind immediately as examples of this. When I was in high school I passed out anti Vietnam war literature and help to pass out leaflets for the last big antiwar protest held in DC when the goal was to shut down the government for the day. Needless to say I have grown up and learned a lot since then and look back on the naive spoiled child I was with a bit of shame. I did join the US Navy when I was 18 and served my country for 4 years and in return received some of the benefits of that service under the old GI Bill. I will always be proud for the opportunity I had to serve and grateful for the benefits provided me.
As for Iran-Contra I feel Reagan allowed an unwise act to take place for the for a noble reason ie. freeing American hostages. As hindsight is always 20 20 I am sure he would have chosen a different course had he realized the end results. None the less Reagan is the best President we have had in my lifetime in my opinion and deserves all the credit the left tries to deny him regarding the fall of the Iron Curtain.

 

[DefRef]

Agreed. I was a bit strong in pasting all the baby boomers in one stroke. Horowitz has seen both sides and is trying to alert people about how dangerous the radical Left is. Problem is, no one's listening.

If Reagan erred, it was in service of trying to free hostages. Clinton's numerous lapses were purely based on greed and powermongering. The only people he was trying to help were himself and the enemies of America.

Unfortunately, today's youth are brainwashed into blindly supporting Leftist ideals. They don't even know why they spout the junk they do, but they do so at full-voice.

 

[67gt500]

Unfortunately, today's youth are brainwashed into blindly supporting Leftist ideals. They don't even know why they spout the junk they do, but they do so at full-voice.

Public education. We have communists teaching our children. How can we expect anything but this sort of behavior..?

A group of leftists organized into a unified body which praises tenure and denounces competition is slowly but surely forming this nation's future.