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A.G. Gregg Abbot made it illegal for Texas companies to disclose dangerous chemicals

Oldgamer

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When reporters asked him, how are people to know what chemicals plants, companies, stores ect. have near their schools or neighborhoods, and his reply was, just go ask around. Talk to a Fire department, or ya know, something like that. "just go drive around".

Rick Perry says he is going to run for president again, and he and the Texas Republican officials have decided to deregulate hazardous materials and make it illegal and confidential (not public) any information of ANY hazardous materials that are being stored and how much. There use to be laws that required hazardous chemicals be accounted for, and made known to the public as well as tracking of said chemicals. That now has gone away at the stroke of Gregg Abbot and Rick Perry's pens.

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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/stat...ow-sees-challenges-over-data-on-chemicals.ece

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Attorney General Greg Abbott has decided previously that the state doesn't have to disclose what potentially dangerous chemicals plants around Texas store. But he now clarifies that ordinary Texans are free to ask the plants on their own. But those plants are not required to answer any public questions with regard to the chemicals they store and use.


FROM WIRE REPORTS
Published: 02 July 2014 08:35 PM

Updated: 02 July 2014 08:35 PM

AUSTIN — Attorney General Greg Abbott conceded Wednesday that getting information about dangerous chemicals in Texas is “challenging,” after earlier suggesting that people can easily learn whether they live near places that store potentially explosive substances.

Abbott, the Republican nominee for governor, has faced criticism from Democratic opponent Wendy Davis and open records advocates since his office ruled in May that locations of some facilities storing dangerous chemicals such as ammonium nitrate remain confidential.

A stockpile of ammonium nitrate fueled a massive explosion in West last year that killed 15 people and injured 200 others. The substance is widely used in agricultural fertilizers and is stored in facilities around Texas.

Speaking to reporters Tuesday, Abbott called the ruling by his office a “win-win” — saying people know where the places are if they “drive around” and then ask companies whether they have chemicals under federal right-to-know laws.

But Abbott said in an interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday that he now wants to make it simpler for the public to get the information.
“The fact is, I think the information is challenging to get the way that it is currently structured,” Abbott said.

Abbott is now proposing that local fire stations — and not the state — take the lead in giving the public information about dangerous chemical locations.
State health officials had long made those addresses available upon request. That began changing after the ruling from Abbott’s office that cited a decade-old law intended to prevent terrorism.

Fire stations are already required to receive federally-mandated reports from nearby facilities that store dangerous chemicals. Abbott said he believed fire stations were an easier and more obvious primary source of that information for the public than the Department of State Health Services.

Abbott told AP that he wasn’t aware that his office made the ruling until the decision began making headlines, but he defended it as the correct decision under the law.

“It’s truly a straightforward reading and analysis and application of the [Texas] Homeland Security Act. This is not a law or conclusion that I created,” Abbott said.

Davis spokesman Zac Petkanas dismissed Abbott’s proposal as a plan that would burden “hardworking firefighters” with requests previously handled by the state.

“Clearly, the backlash from parents over his decision to keep dangerous chemical locations secret has Greg Abbott scrambling and willing to say anything,” Petankas said.

Attention on the ruling mounted after Dallas television station WFAA tried to obtain information about a fertilizer plant in East Texas that caught fire in May.

Following the West tragedy, the state gave several media outlets a list of all facilities in Texas that store large quantities of ammonium nitrate.
 
I think this is part of Rick Perry's Texas miracle. Who needs zoning or gubmit regulations. Business can be trusted.
 
I think this is part of Rick Perry's Texas miracle. Who needs zoning or gubmit regulations. Business can be trusted.

LOL yes it is... I hope Rick tries to run again, and Mitt too.. because it will be amusing watching them fail again..
 
Republican Attorney General Greg Abbott, under fire for blocking public access to state records documenting the location of dangerous chemicals, said Texans still have a right to find out where the substances are stored — as long as they know which companies to ask.

“You know where they are if you drive around,” Abbott told reporters Tuesday. “You can ask every facility whether or not they have chemicals or not. You can ask them if they do, and they can tell you, well, we do have chemicals or we don’t have chemicals, and if they do, they tell which ones they have.”

http://www.texastribune.org/2014/07/01/abbott-ask-chemical-plants-whats-inside/

I don't think he expected such a backlash, and now he is back tracking. But he signed legislation that said this information is to be confidential and not accessible to the public. Now he says, well, maybe people should just drive around and ask..lmao
 
Such information could be a target or shopping list for terrorists.

Surprised they don't cite that as a reason.
 
Such information could be a target or shopping list for terrorists.

Surprised they don't cite that as a reason.

Probably because every mother who wants to know if some plastic baby bottle contain some stupid chemical would be flagged as a terrorists.
Perhaps people should start sending in funny looking liquids/powders with a question mark on them to Greg Abbott house, maybe he'll get the message.
 
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Such information could be a target or shopping list for terrorists.

Surprised they don't cite that as a reason.
There are more terrorists in some areas of Gubernment these says than coming in from out of town.

😛

😉

Not to sound like Stewox, but ya know what I mean.

Probably most of his friends.
 
Come on now. These are companies.

They always do what's best for everyone, remember?

Regulation is just going to hurt people. Some non-management deaths here and there from explosions or exposure to toxins is a small price to pay to know that their smooth and profitable operations are not being hindered in any way.




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Apparently Abbott and Perry and other Republicans did this legal maneuvering right after the outcry of the West Texas fatal fertilizer plant blast.

There was nothing left of that neighborhood or town after the explosion:

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If you all recall the West Texas Fertilizer plant hadn't been inspected since it's last inspection in 1985. They were cited then for improper storage and numerous plant violations for the chemicals they had. Nothing was ever done about it. Texas cut back all the inspectors and killed off most of the regulations that would have prevented something like this.

Now they are doing it again, and trying to keep the public from knowing what kind of chemicals are being stored and how much near their schools, and neighborhoods.

This is just an all out effort to conceal the dirty deeds and gross violations that plants commit and to protect them from any accountability.

This isn't about terrorists or anything of the sort.

I imagine this sort of thing will happen again, and again, but nothing will ever really get done about it. People will die, property destroyed and the companies and plants will be sheltered and protected by people like Abbot and Perry.
 
Guess some in here have never heard of OSHA's Right To Know act. All companies must have available MSDS sheets on all chemicals on their premises and anyone that enters or lives near by can request to see said MSDS sheets.
 
Yeah this was covered on Rachel Maddow last night. One of the Koch kids had just given A.G. Gregg Abbot a donation of $25000 before the A.G. announcement. Not that the donation of $25000 had anything to do with A.G. Gregg Abbot, but we all know it did.

But... this is the kind of stuff that drives most people crazy. The corruption in government and especially in Texas. We hear it all the time. But the thing that drives people crazy is not the corruption, it is the voters that keep supporting and electing these people. A.G. Gregg Abbot is running for governor. Despite what Abbot did or does or no doubt will do for the Koch's, he will probably be elected regardless.
So what is worse? Hiding combustable chemicals? Dead victims from explosions? Corrupt elected officials? Or what I believe is the worst, the morons that keep electing them into office.
When people elect corrupt officials, is anyone really that surprised at the result?
And why is this news?
We can't do anything about it. Texans could, but they won't.
So if Texas schools and nursing homes blow up in a cloud of hellfire, we shouldn't care.
We can't do anything about it. They can, but they chose not to. So its no skin off our nose.
I guess if you live in Texas and are angry at all this, your only option is to leave the state.
 
Texas has no fire code at all. None from what I can tell. Someone please prove me wrong

Really? You can't do a simple google search?

http://www.sll.texas.gov/law-legislation/building-codes/
http://www.tdi.texas.gov/wind/dwnloads.html

Now Texas does not adopt the IFC for all its counties but it does adopt the IBC for all its counties which includes sections for 'fire code' including egress requirements, fire panel requirements, sprinkler requirements, detector requirements etc.

I believe the biggest difference is the IFC goes more in depth for specific industries but it is in no way accurate to say 'Texas has no fire code at all'

Edit: FWIW there are quite a few states including Michigan that have not adopted the IFC at the state level
 
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Guess some in here have never heard of OSHA's Right To Know act. All companies must have available MSDS sheets on all chemicals on their premises and anyone that enters or lives near by can request to see said MSDS sheets.

This. Federal law trumps Texas "law". The specific law creating a community "right to know" is the Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act, as amended and is administered by EPA.

BTW, after over fifteen years of negotiation, meetings, hearings, and more meetings (in really nice resorts conference centers), the bureaucrats of the world have completely overhauled the MSDSs. After careful deliberation they decided to drop the M.
 
Yeah, we all vote GOP. 🙄

Also, the state definitely has not been gerrymandered to hell, keeping the status quo in place.

You could vote with your feet. In any case, the people of Texas have spoken, regulations bad. Also, governor is a statewide office, so gerrymandering is not an issue.
 
You could vote with your feet. In any case, the people of Texas have spoken, regulations bad. Also, governor is a statewide office, so gerrymandering is not an issue.

That's a great idea. Leave the state that has been my family's residence since it was a nation (and in which I own acreage) because I don't agree with a lot of the politics of the majority party?

Ever heard of change from within?
 
Texans voted for Republicans, so they are getting what they voted for.

Wrong, I am a Democrat and so is most of my family. I can tell you that the Republibullies, gerrymandered so much of Texas that it is very difficult to elect a Democrat now. If voting were based on the popular vote and not the gerrymandered votes, I guarantee you most of these 'clowns' in office would not have their jobs right now.
 
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You could vote with your feet. In any case, the people of Texas have spoken, regulations bad. Also, governor is a statewide office, so gerrymandering is not an issue.

Quote: "It would not directly affect any election which was held state-wide, such as for governor. But there are other ways it can matter, and it can matter a whole lot.

It has to do with the fact that our system is hierarchical and implements "winner take all". What that means is that at each level of hierarchy, the votes and influence of many voters are discarded completely when influencing the next level up.

Suppose that we have a state with five districts for state legislators. The districts are gerrymandered so that three of the districts have about 55% voters for party A and 45% for party B. The remaining two districts are 100% party B.

Party A would have three legislators but party B would only have 2, and A would be in control. But if you assume that all five districts have the same number of voters, then it turns out that party B actually has twice as many voters overall as party A.

If you arbitrarily assume 100 voters per district, it would mean that party A had 55+55+55+0+0 = 165 voters, while party B had 45+45+45+100+100 = 335 voters. But Party A would still have a legislative majority.

That, in general terms, is how gerrymandering works as it was practiced originally. You try to create a few districts which are extremely heavily dominated by your opposition, while creating a lot more where you expect your own party to have a small but sufficient majority. What that does is to dilute the value of the other side's voters. Your 55 voters in one district have the same influence as 100 of theirs in another, while their 45 voters in your district have no direct influence at all".

Link source on how gerrymandering can affect the Governorship
 
Guess some in here have never heard of OSHA's Right To Know act. All companies must have available MSDS sheets on all chemicals on their premises and anyone that enters or lives near by can request to see said MSDS sheets.

And if its a non descript building like some in Texas are, how is average citizen supposed to know who to contact?

I would think its the job of government to provide this kind of information to citizens not make them hunt for it and keep up with all OSHA regulations.

Also how did a school get flattened in an area properly zoned??
 
That's a great idea. Leave the state that has been my family's residence since it was a nation (and in which I own acreage) because I don't agree with a lot of the politics of the majority party?

Ever heard of change from within?

Do what you gotta do, but if there was a health risk to me and my family, I'd leave family history and acreage behind in a second.
 
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