A financial solution that has worked for us...

CrimsonChaos

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With so many economic threads going up recently, I thought I'd share share one of the financial strategies we use. This may or may not work for you, but I thought I'd share in case it may help someone out there who is struggling and searching for ideas. It has been excellent for us -- as it afford us nice things in life, while not dipping into our savings. Again, no single plan works for everyone, this is just an idea that has happened to work for us.

I'm sure we all know how to budget, but for the sake of simplicity, let's say you have your finances divided into just two categories: checking and savings. The checking account is obvious -- mortgage/rent, utilities, food, etc. This will always be pretty close to break-even as you intelligently budgeted your money and alot just enough money here. The savings account, however, is a little fuzzier. You put money into savings every month, but without directly specifying what you are saving for. It might be for some 'necessity' items -- such as a new roof, car repairs, or new clothes for the baby. Or it might be for 'luxury' items -- such as a new computer, new flat panel, or new gaming console.

Some people are able to save very well using the above system. But we found that we were often spending at least the same amount on luxury than we were actually saving. In other words we were spending half of our savings on luxury items -- this made for a rather slow-growing savings account. So, what if, instead, you had NO luxury monies to spend from your actual savings? You would have only checking + savings (necessity). But of course you cannot live life without any luxuries. You have to enjoy yourself to some extent.

So what we do is take lump sums of money that we save each year and invest it. The profit from investments is what we can spend on luxury items. If we earn nothing, we get no luxury (I know this sounds harsh, and you can tweak this part if you want). If we profit $10K in a year, then we get to spend $10K that year on luxury (though we don't have to).

The money that was initially invested is still considered part of savings (necessity). Therefore, if an emergency does arise, you still have those funds to tap into. And you can continually increase the amount you invest as you add more to the savings portion of your finances. Only the profit you earned is considered savings (luxury).

How much of your profit/luxury money you want to spend is entirely up to you. You might say you get to spend 1/3, 2/3, or even all of it. Or maybe it depends on how much profit you earned. Or maybe you want to save your smaller profits until you can afford a big ticket item.

But at least you are only spending profit, and not touching the actual money you saved. Things will be slow, at first, especially if you have a small amount to invest. And of course this plan requires that you learn about investments before you start throwing your money into things you don't understand. But I think if you take the time to research your investments, and have the discipline to follow this plan, you will find yourself in a much more solvent situation in the long run.

This is just an idea - let's hear your thoughts or even your own personal strategies.

Cliffs:
- Invest savings
- Keep initial investments as savings nest-egg (necessity)
- Use profit-only for luxury items

Edit: Please realize I am NOT talking about your RETIREMENT accounts - this is about your every-day savings accounts. Retirement accounts are another topic entirely.
 

bonkers325

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you also stand to lose money if you invest incorrectly. you'd need a decent sum of money to accrue $10k in interest after taxes (at savings account rates)
 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: bonkers325
you also stand to lose money if you invest incorrectly. you'd need a decent sum of money to accrue $10k in interest after taxes (at savings account rates)

Yes, good point that I forgot to touch on -- if you lose money from your initial savings, you would use future profits to subsidize your previous losses. In other words, you would have to forfeit some of your future luxury monies to balance out what you lost previously from your initial savings investment.
 

kranky

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Kudos for you for sharing your method. I think the most important thing from your post is that you found the system that worked for you. Too many people either throw up their hands and say "I'm just not good with money" or they force themselves to use a system that just doesn't suit their needs.

Like you, everyone needs to come up with the method that suits their needs and budget, and is a match for their financial temperament, and make a commit to be disciplined about it.

Our method is as plain vanilla as there could be. Long-term investments go into 401k and IRAs. Every payday money is transferred from checking to savings. We maintain 6 months' expenses plus our "car payment " plus our vacation fund in savings. Our cars are paid for, so we set aside money every month towards eventual replacements so we can pay cash.

We don't spend a lot, so we don't really struggle to keep from buying too much. For some people, having the money in savings where it could be instantly transferred to checking would be too much temptation; for us, it's fine.
 

sjwaste

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I use a similar system, except I've moved away from investing for the time being, outside of retirement accounts.

Say I have a few beers one afternoon and decide that, man, I'd really like to upgrade the HTPC's storage or pick up a box of cigars. That's $100 right there. I can go ahead and do it if I also have and am willing to take another $100 out of my checking acct and put it into savings. That item just became $200, $100 for me, $100 for the vendor. If I don't have $200, then no purchase, as purchases can't come out of savings. It basically limits my discretionary spending on stupid shit by doubling the price, since I won't buy it if its not worth double to me (if the other 100 goes in savings, i might as well not have it any more as far as my brain is concerned).

It works well because it can limit you fast on things that aren't cheap, you'll run out of money. But it also hits the economist in me by doubling the price and making me wonder if it's worth that much. Certain things are exempt, mostly things that are good for me -- for instance, I dropped a couple hundred bucks on cheap hockey pads so I can play, because otherwise I won't exercise. Or buying my sister a Macbook for her 21st and getting a 4.0 her first semester of college, hey it was a refurb!

It's a system that you have to keep honest with, since there's no one to stop you from cheating but yourself, but it works for me.

Oh, and I should add, when the next paycheck gets direct deposited, anything unspent from the last one is swept into savings. For me, it means I save a lot more because the double-price factor keeps me from buying in the first place, at least long enough so that the "statute of limitations" on that parcel of money runs.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: kranky
Kudos for you for sharing your method. I think the most important thing from your post is that you found the system that worked for you. Too many people either throw up their hands and say "I'm just not good with money" or they force themselves to use a system that just doesn't suit their needs.

Like you, everyone needs to come up with the method that suits their needs and budget, and is a match for their financial temperament, and make a commit to be disciplined about it.

Our method is as plain vanilla as there could be. Long-term investments go into 401k and IRAs. Every payday money is transferred from checking to savings. We maintain 6 months' expenses plus our "car payment " plus our vacation fund in savings. Our cars are paid for, so we set aside money every month towards eventual replacements so we can pay cash.

We don't spend a lot, so we don't really struggle to keep from buying too much. For some people, having the money in savings where it could be instantly transferred to checking would be too much temptation; for us, it's fine.

Do you use an interest-bearing checking account? My checking account doesn't pay any interest. I have fiddled with the idea of either:

1. having all money deposited into savings and moving it over into checking as necessary to cover bills as they come up, thus taking maximum advantage of the float and earning interest on the balance

OR

2. Just using a checking account that pays interest, such as ING's electric orange

I did some sims in Excel and found that I would only be earning about ~$6/month in extra interest if I did #1, which doesn't seem like it would be worth the hassle to me.
 

JS80

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How about this solution: if you want more luxuries in life, go out and be more ambitious and make more money.
 

kranky

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Special K, our checking account pays 2% (National City Bank). I agree that you would be doing a lot of work for $6.
 

ponyo

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Even though I don't use it, I think Dave Ramsey's idea of budgeting via envelope is sound and useful for people struggling to budget and save.

I think paying cash for things help too. People think twice when they physically see the money coming out of their wallet. Also if they have to pay cash, they might not have enough money on them and have to go to the ATM or home to get the cash. That extra time and driving might change their mind and reduce impulse purchases.
 

divinemartyr

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Seriously if you want to budget use http://www.mvelopes.com. It's possibly the best easy-to-use money management tool on the market. Once you use it you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. It's not a system that only works for some people, it works for anyone willing to use it.

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xanis

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Originally posted by: Naustica
Even though I don't use it, I think Dave Ramsey's idea of budgeting via envelope is sound and useful for people struggling to budget and save.

I think paying cash for things help too. People think twice when they physically see the money coming out of their wallet. Also if they have to pay cash, they might not have enough money on them and have to go to the ATM or home to get the cash. That extra time and driving might change their mind and reduce impulse purchases.

So true. I pay for things in cash as much as possible. If I want to buy something big, I put away a little money from each paycheck into an envelope and put it aside. It hasn't failed me yet.
 

maddogchen

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i'm putting most of my savings in CDs or money market accounts since I'm saving up for a 20% downpayment on a home. less than 3 years to go at my current rate.

If I wasn't saving for a house, I would definitely be putting most of my savings minus my emergency fund into investments which probably be a tax efficient, low expense total market index fund. Luxury items are nice but I like living a simple life uncluttered with the need for expensive material possessions. Give me food, a computer and the internet and I'm content.
 

amdskip

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
i'm putting most of my savings in CDs or money market accounts since I'm saving up for a 20% downpayment on a home. less than 3 years to go at my current rate.

If I wasn't saving for a house, I would definitely be putting most of my savings minus my emergency fund into investments which probably be a tax efficient, low expense total market index fund. Luxury items are nice but I like living a simple life uncluttered with the need for expensive material possessions. Give me food, a computer and the internet and I'm content.
Kudos to you saving the 20%. I did the same for my house and I really do not believe most people should attempt to own a home without placing 20% down.