a few questions for socialist/communists

[Shad0hawK]

do you think that in your class should take all grades of all students and average them out and that everyone should pass no matter who did the most or least work, or do you think you should keep your grade that you worked for and if another student fails it is his responsibility and not yours?

after graduation, should the person who did the least amount of/and/or quality work get the best job available beause he needs it more than other people who would do the job better? should a person who cannot or will not do thier job properly be dismissed? what if they do not want to work at all?

what effect would this have on the quality of work done overall? what effect would it have on cost of production? what effect does cost of production have on the consumer?

name one modern country where the end result of socialism/communism has proven beneficial overall to the welfare of the people and give historical evidence.



think them through!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
do you think that in your class should take all grades of all students and average them out and that everyone should pass no matter who did the most or least work, or do you think you should keep your grade that you worked for and if another student fails it is his responsibility and not yours?

after graduation, should the person who did the least amount of/and/or quality work get the best job available beause he needs it more than other people who would do the job better? should a person who cannot or will not do thier job properly be dismissed? what if they do not want to work at all?

what effect would this have on the quality of work done overall? what effect would it have on cost of production? what effect does cost of production have on the consumer?

name one modern country where the end result of socialism/communism has proven beneficial overall to the welfare of the people and give historical evidence.



think them through!

Well I know I don't want your grade. Your little diatribe contains grammatical and spelling mistakes as well as conclusions based on hypothetical conjectures that can't be pre-established.

 

[Corn]

I dunno Moonie, it sounds pretty darn utopian to me.

Imagine, no longer would our children have to endure the sickness of competition and grades. Instead they can bask in their medocraty, spending their time reflecting on their self-hatred, all day, every day. All you need is love Moonie, that's all that matters. Give it a try sometime!

 

[Czar]

wohooooo a flame post

 

[Quixotic]

you know you're in trouble when you're a junior member and you already have an elite member with the visage of a mad lunatic clown flaming ya

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
do you think that in your class should take all grades of all students and average them out and that everyone should pass no matter who did the most or least work, or do you think you should keep your grade that you worked for and if another student fails it is his responsibility and not yours?

after graduation, should the person who did the least amount of/and/or quality work get the best job available beause he needs it more than other people who would do the job better? should a person who cannot or will not do thier job properly be dismissed? what if they do not want to work at all?

what effect would this have on the quality of work done overall? what effect would it have on cost of production? what effect does cost of production have on the consumer?

name one modern country where the end result of socialism/communism has proven beneficial overall to the welfare of the people and give historical evidence.



think them through!

you are the living prove that you have no idea what socialism is

 

[sandorski]

I think the problem with this question is in how it doesn't reflect the way Communist societies functioned. Most of the Soviet Bloc nations would take the most qualified for a task and put them into that task. They didn't just randomly choose who would be a Doctor or who would sweep the streets. I'm really not sure what the point of this thread is.

BTW, I'm neither a Communist or Socialist.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not a socialist or communist, but perhaps the originator of the thread might explain why he felt Scrooge was right?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
do you think that in your class should take all grades of all students and average them out and that everyone should pass no matter who did the most or least work, or do you think you should keep your grade that you worked for and if another student fails it is his responsibility and not yours?

after graduation, should the person who did the least amount of/and/or quality work get the best job available beause he needs it more than other people who would do the job better? should a person who cannot or will not do thier job properly be dismissed? what if they do not want to work at all?

what effect would this have on the quality of work done overall? what effect would it have on cost of production? what effect does cost of production have on the consumer?

name one modern country where the end result of socialism/communism has proven beneficial overall to the welfare of the people and give historical evidence.



think them through!

I'm not either, but I can tell you haven't a clue what either is. G'day

 

[AvesPKS]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
do you think that in your class should take all grades of all students and average them out and that everyone should pass no matter who did the most or least work, or do you think you should keep your grade that you worked for and if another student fails it is his responsibility and not yours?

after graduation, should the person who did the least amount of/and/or quality work get the best job available beause he needs it more than other people who would do the job better? should a person who cannot or will not do thier job properly be dismissed? what if they do not want to work at all?

what effect would this have on the quality of work done overall? what effect would it have on cost of production? what effect does cost of production have on the consumer?

name one modern country where the end result of socialism/communism has proven beneficial overall to the welfare of the people and give historical evidence.



think them through!

Well I know I don't want your grade. Your little diatribe contains grammatical and spelling mistakes as well as conclusions based on hypothetical conjectures that can't be pre-established.

Hehe...this from the king of spelling error...I've never (at least I don't think, correct me if I'm wrong) used your "grammatical and spelling mistakes" as a source to rebutt your point...

 

[Shad0hawK]

"Well I know I don't want your grade. Your little diatribe contains grammatical and spelling mistakes as well as conclusions based on hypothetical conjectures that can't be pre-established."


so i take it by the lack of response to what i am actually asking to instead focus on grammar there is no meaningful reply to (most of)what is said? as far as hypothetical conjectures that cannot be established" does the fact history shows us numerous failures of these philosophies in various nations throughout the 20th and 21st centuries somehow escape notice?


jus' look at all those grammatical errors! what a travesty! what a grand excuse to mostly ignore what is said because literary conventions were not adhered to!

 

[Czar]

Shad0hawK,
your post is a pointless ignorant flame, thats why people are not taking you seriously

 

[Shad0hawK]

you are the living prove that you have no idea what socialism is

socialism:
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

communism:
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively

my personal definition:
1. a ideaology that in over 100 years of application has consistantly demonstrated to be unworkable and a dismal failure of antean proportions.2. a political and economic theory that also inspires a condition known as "selective amnesia" in it's supporters, who can never seem to remember the many failures of said philosphy.

 

[Zebo]

You can't even define the terms of the debate. Go away, get an education then I might have a serious discussion with you. Right now you're trolling.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Czar
Shad0hawK,
your post is a pointless ignorant flame, thats why people are not taking you seriously

that is the excuse i usually get when people cannot logically and rationally defend thier beliefs or engage in open debate about them.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

you are the living prove that you have no idea what socialism is

socialism:
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

communism:
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively

my personal definition:
1. a ideaology that in over 100 years of application has consistantly demonstrated to be unworkable and a dismal failure of antean proportions.2. a political and economic theory that also inspires a condition known as "selective amnesia" in it's supporters, who can never seem to remember the many failures of said philosphy.

I see your 2 working brain cells enable you to use a dictionary.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Czar
Shad0hawK,
your post is a pointless ignorant flame, thats why people are not taking you seriously

that is the excuse i usually get when people cannot logically and rationally defend thier beliefs or engage in open debate about them.

Why are you even posing the question(s) if you've already made up your mind? Further, some people (myself not one of them) would argue that the U.S. has become at least partially socialist. What do you think about that?

 

[her209]

I know I would beat the sh1t outta the kids that are failing the class.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Czar
Shad0hawK,
your post is a pointless ignorant flame, thats why people are not taking you seriously

that is the excuse i usually get when people cannot logically and rationally defend thier beliefs or engage in open debate about them.

Why are you even posing the question(s) if you've already made up your mind? Further, some people (myself not one of them) would argue that the U.S. has become at least partially socialist. What do you think about that?

I think it sucks

It is quite apparent though that those here who support socialistic forms of gov'ts or gov't controls don't have a good answer to any of his questions and are attacking the poster instead of his post. If he is sooooooo wrong in his assessment - show him why his questions are wrong instead of just telling him he has no idea what he is talking about, or just ignore him. He may not know what he is talking about but that's no excuse for your shallow replies.
Meh - socialistic practices have their place but too many of these sorts of policies tend to strip individual rights and responsibility.

CkG

 

[Shad0hawK]

Why are you even posing the question(s) if you've already made up your mind? Further, some people (myself not one of them) would argue that the U.S. has become at least partially socialist. What do you think about that?

i think a great attempt is being made to turn us to socialism by the extreme left. as far as my mind being made up i am not a closed minded person, but when i ask legitimate questions that are only answered by personal attacks, i assume that those with the opposing viewpoint cannot rationally defend thier viewpoint and only have to ability to use their wit for insults rather than thinking on issues.

i have many valid points and questions.

if socialism is the superior philosophy, why has it never worked? (and yes it has been tried..many times)

if socialism is the superior economic philosophy, why are the top 3 performing economies capitalistic?

people like to talk about how bad the economy is in the state of california, and relatively speaking to it's past performance it is not as good as it was, but the GP of california still exceeds that of the nation of france... the GNP of the US is still the best in the world by a wide margin.

if everyone is equal in socialism, why is the gap between rich and poor much greater in socialistic economies than in the US?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Corn
I dunno Moonie, it sounds pretty darn utopian to me.

Imagine, no longer would our children have to endure the sickness of competition and grades. Instead they can bask in their medocraty, spending their time reflecting on their self-hatred, all day, every day. All you need is love Moonie, that's all that matters. Give it a try sometime!

Don't forget, Corn, that you already are infected with stalk rot. You see through the color of your disease. The opposite of freedom of competition and grades isn't medocratic it's more like meteoric. You are the carrot and stick mule that pulls the wagon of industry, but wild horses fly. All that matters is heart. Give it a try. And yes, the cure for stalk rot is love. That's why I sing to my plants.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Not a socialist or communist, but perhaps the originator of the thread might explain why he felt Scrooge was right?

i almost missed this one!

i do what i can to help my fellow man because it is in my heart to do so, scrooge did so after he had a change of heart as well, not because the political philosophy of a socialistic goverment forced him to with the threat of siezure of property and vacation time at a re-education camp.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
do you think that in your class should take all grades of all students and average them out and that everyone should pass no matter who did the most or least work, or do you think you should keep your grade that you worked for and if another student fails it is his responsibility and not yours?

after graduation, should the person who did the least amount of/and/or quality work get the best job available beause he needs it more than other people who would do the job better? should a person who cannot or will not do thier job properly be dismissed? what if they do not want to work at all?

what effect would this have on the quality of work done overall? what effect would it have on cost of production? what effect does cost of production have on the consumer?

name one modern country where the end result of socialism/communism has proven beneficial overall to the welfare of the people and give historical evidence.



think them through!

Well I know I don't want your grade. Your little diatribe contains grammatical and spelling mistakes as well as conclusions based on hypothetical conjectures that can't be pre-established.

Hehe...this from the king of spelling error...I've never (at least I don't think, correct me if I'm wrong) used your "grammatical and spelling mistakes" as a source to rebutt your point...

Hey, never mind this socialist stuff, what the hell's wrong with my grammar. And look here, I wasn't asking for or talking about grades like sparrow hawk was. Oh man, I'm outraged. My grammar's perfect I say.
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i do what i can to help my fellow man because it is in my heart to do so, scrooge did so after he had a change of heart as well, not because the political philosophy of a socialistic goverment forced him to with the threat of siezure of property and vacation time at a re-education camp.
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See in a communistic and socialist society they cut out the wait time for scrooge to grow up. It's horribly inefficient to wait eighty years for the ghosts to appear. Why wait when you wind up in the same place anyway. And all that wealth scrooge had could have been shared early on and his charity wouldn't have been needed. Plus he was only one convert out of millions of more of his kind. Deferred justice isn't justice.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Hey, never mind this socialist stuff, what the hell's wrong with my grammar. And look here, I wasn't asking for or talking about grades like sparrow hawk was. Oh man, I'm outraged. My grammar's perfect I say.

actually i was not asking for grades, perhaps something can be said for reading comprehension being important?

See in a communistic and socialist society they cut out the wait time for scrooge to grow up. It's horribly inefficient to wait eighty years for the ghosts to appear. Why wait when you wind up in the same place anyway. And all that wealth scrooge had could have been shared early on and his charity wouldn't have been needed. Plus he was only one convert out of millions of more of his kind. Deferred justice isn't justice.

i understand that is how the theory says it would work, so why has the threory never actually worked in the real world? if scrooge would have lived in a communistic/socialistic society he would have been as poor as everyone else and not in a position to help whether he wanted to or not. for example if he had been in france in the early 21st century he would have died from heatstroke while his leader(who is also his equal) would have been in nice cool canada.

my son really needs a car, i mean he really NEEDS a car... would you do your socialistic duty and buy him one? you owe it to him more than you do your own family, because taking care of your own family would be very selfish of you when so many other people need your help more!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
"Well I know I don't want your grade. Your little diatribe contains grammatical and spelling mistakes as well as conclusions based on hypothetical conjectures that can't be pre-established."


so i take it by the lack of response to what i am actually asking to instead focus on grammar there is no meaningful reply to (most of)what is said? as far as hypothetical conjectures that cannot be established" does the fact history shows us numerous failures of these philosophies in various nations throughout the 20th and 21st centuries somehow escape notice?


jus' look at all those grammatical errors! what a travesty! what a grand excuse to mostly ignore what is said because literary conventions were not adhered to!

OK OK:

do you think that in your class should take all grades of all students and average them out and that everyone should pass no matter who did the most or least work, or do you think you should keep your grade that you worked for and if another student fails it is his responsibility and not yours?
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No, I don't want my grade averaged with yours because it would bring yours up.
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after graduation, should the person who did the least amount of/and/or quality work get the best job available because he needs it more than other people who would do the job better?
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This is where you base your argument on a hypothetical that can't previously be known. We can't tell if the person who most needs the job will not also do the best job. Before people actually try to do something, we can't know who will do well and who not. If we did we would always chose the best person for the job.
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should a person who cannot or will not do their job properly be dismissed?
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Not if they're self employed.
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what if they do not want to work at all?
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Everybody whats to fulfill himself, and that comes through achievement.
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what effect would this have on the quality of work done overall? what effect would it have on cost of production? what effect does cost of production have on the consumer?
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If everybody were achieving their inner desire for achievement, the world would be a paradise.
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name one modern country where the end result of socialism/communism has proved beneficial overall to the welfare of the people and give historical evidence.
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Tibet and its history.
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think them through!
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This flippant remark is a product of cultural saturation in a sitcom college world. It makes me feel terrible because I can't think. The grammar I use is from a whole other place. Spelling errors have been fixed.