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A dire need of help upgrading thread

linkfreak

Junior Member
Ok, so I need to upgrade my computer as it is about 3 years old. My current proccesor is an AMD Sempron 3400+ on a Socket 939. My graphics card is an ATI Radeon XPRESS 200. My monitor is a 19" and has a native resolution of 1280x1024 at 60Hz.

I need to decide what to upgrade on my computer and I want it to be a bang for your buck upgrade. I can spend a good amount of money but I don't want to throw a figure around as to keep the "bang buckiness" the main focus 🙂 What I mean for bang for your buck, I don't want like "the best bang for your buck item" but it only gets you like 5 fps, I guess a um... performance bang for your buck? I am willing to sacrifice 5 frames for a significant savings in money. I want to be able to max or play at high settings on most games, I'm really tired of all of this low quality eye black-licorice. (opposite of candy 😛)

For graphics cards, I have been noticing the Geforce 8800GT, the Geforce GTX 260, and the HD 4800 series, (and maybe the new 4770 one). I just think that these cards are pretty good, I know next to nothing about Nvidia's 9xxx line, so feel free to bring those in.

Will my processor bottleneck these cards? And if so, which ones and by how much in terms of frames per second (as good a guess as you can get) or you can use another measurement method if you like. From my information, cpu's aren't THAT important for gaming, all I'm doing is gaming, no video decoding or photoshop for me =) So I think that I can just get a graphics card and be happy with it, but feel free to correct my ignorance.

Also are these cards to powerful for my monitors resolution, as in paying a big sum of money to go from an already super high frame count to an absurdly high one? I don't need the most frames I can get, just enough or alot to get a good gameplay feel.

I want to be able to max or close to max most games, but I don't want to spend money needlessly on a more powerful card if I don't need it.

If I don't need these cards then which ones do you guys reccomend that I should get?

Also, if my processor does bottleneck these cards by a SIGNIFICANT amount, if its only by like 5 frames then I will keep my current processor thank you very much =), which processor should I upgrade to?

I am thinking that I would like to go to duals or maybe tri's, but certainly not quads, all I do on my computer is gaming, I don't do any video editing or photoshop or anything like that, so I'm guessing that duals are the way to go? I was thinking about the E8400, but is that overkill? Is there another processor that is cheaper and will get the bottleneck out of the way?

I am pretty sure that I need to upgrade my PSU (which is at 250W right now) and my motherboard because I have the Socket 939 (old)

Please help me, I have like 150 tabs open on information on research I am doing on the subject, I am drowning in information, please send a PFD my way and please help me =(
 
That processor would be a SIGNIFICANT bottleneck for any real card. You could try to find one of the higher clocked X2's for socket 939 (rare and expensive) or upgrade to a new AM2+/AM3/775/1366. Since you didn't mention a budget at all I don't really know which route would be best to go. You need to give a number. $100? $200? more? less? Also your post read kind of vague, are you wanting to upgrade the whole computer or just a part or two? Honestly with such an old system It'd be hard to recommend anything but a new build
 
"I want to be able to max or close to max most games, but I don't want to spend money needlessly on a more powerful card if I don't need it."

Real quick.....

Motherboard: Gigabyte Ga-ma790xt-ud4p 126$ -...111$ after rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128378

CPU😛henom x3 720 2.8 119$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103649

Video card: HIS 4890 1gb 189$ ...179$ after rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814161276

PSU: Corsair 650tx 100$ ....90$ after rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817139005

This system will play most games near max quality without breaking the bank.
 
Just to coment on happy mediums list:
For that system a good 400 watt psu will be more than enough, though he would have to use a molex to pcie power cable. Something like the corsair 400 watts. Also I'd probably go with a DDR2 mainboard. DRR2 mem is cheap as chips nowdays.

OP, Full system upgrade would be the way to go. That sempron is quite slow by todays standards.
 
Originally posted by: happy medium
I listed a dual pci-e slot motherboard and gave him some room to crossfire his 4890's. Thats why I chose that psu.

My comments were just in regard to the op wanting to get performance on the cheap. Wouldn't call crossfire a real option considering that.

Though you are right your options (bigger psu, DDR3 and dual pcie slot mainboard) would be more future proof. :thumbsup:
 
^^^Yeh but he did express a great wish to not spend more if a part isn't going to give him more performance. Thus, getting cheaper DDR2 would be in the spirit of his request. Another good option would be the cheaper Phenom II X2 550 or 545. With a single card like the HD4890, a Phenom II X2 would give him similar performance in most games (there are exceptions where the X3 would pull ahead significantly) as an X3: http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=10085&page=5
 
Yeah alright, since everyone seems to hate on my procesor (which I do quite happily as well 🙂 ) I will upgrade to a dual core, but I don't think I need a triple core, but if you guys honestly think I should then I will.

Which in turn means buying a new motherboard, I will comply with that.

Power supply and DDR2 I have no problem getting as well.

For the graphics card, wouldn't a 4890 be overkill for my monitor? It's a 19" 1280x1024 (everyone has a 24" =( I guess its not much a difference but oh well] I have seen videos of a 9600 GT and a 8800 GT and lesser 48xx's get more than enough frames per second.

As I said, I'm putting this in your hands, I don't trust my hands in this kind of stuff, they have indecesionism, or maybe thats just my brain ha 🙂.

Edit: Oh yeah, I don't care whether its AMD or Intel and ATI or Nvidia, I don't know if I already stated that. My budget is whatever it needs to be, but I don't want to go overboard, I don't plan on spending more than $1,000 on just upgrading that's for sure. It's my parent's money, and I consider my self a saver not a spender, so yeah haha. I wanted to build a whole system by myself thinking it would be fun last year but I never got to it, but all I really need is a motherboard, graphics card, CPU, RAM, and PSU, you know gaming stuff. I think upgrading will be more cost effective then buying a new rig, because I don't need a new HD and whatnot.

You guys are helping me so much, please understand that whatever input you provide is greatly appreciated, I am lost on my own.

Double edit: Also I forgot, ATI is releasing there 5xxx line of graphics cards in september (supposedly from what I heard) I can't find any new about it on the amd website. Should I wait for these cards to come out? Are they going to be more expensive(thus maybe better) than the 48xx line? I heard they were supposed to redefine and blah blah blah. So another question that I hope you kind men and women can answer for me =)
 
If you wanna save a few more dollars just get the duel core Amd 550 a 4870 512mb and a Corsair 550 watt. But in 2 years you'll be doing it all again. With the system I listed you'll be good for 2 years and only need a video card upgrade.(for 530.00$$)

With a ddr2 motherboard, a dual core Amd 550, low end psu, and low end video card, be ready to upgrade your whole system again in 1/2 years. Price this system vs the one I listed a few post back.

Spend the little extra now and save yourself the headache.

AM3 (140watt cpu) motherboard good for 3 years
x3 720 cpu ready for multithreaded games (future)
4890 @ 1280X1024 good for 2+ years
Corsair 650 watt good for a good while.
ddr3 memory good for a while..

 
I've heard that DDR3 isn't "mature" and has "high timings" or something of the sort. I honestly respect and may abide by your suggestion but I'm just a little cautious as to the memory, I know for sure I know nothing about it, when I look on newegg for memory there's so many types and mumbo jumbo haha. But sure, I had this computer for 3 years, why not invest and make your build last for another 3 =). Also, I have a 52" HD LCD T.V. how would your build fair on that? I'm only saying that because my monitor is relatively small (19") and it would be kind of cool to have a bigger one but then I think of my T.V, ha! Biggest monitor around 🙂 Would be kind of cool to play on that. Well happy medium thank you so much for your input, you have set my mind at ease (a little bit anyhow) anyone else is free to post their opinions.

Thanks again!

Another edit sorry: Ok, how does that proccesor fair on overclocking? Because my plan if I get that would be to overclock that and then since most games nowadays only take advantage of 2 cores it will be really good, but then when I upgrade my grahpics card or another part (as you have said in 2-3 years) I can get a quad core as people say "in the future most games will take advantage of 4 cores) is this plan advisable?
 
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