A Deepening Rift Between Germany and Israel

[SandEagle]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/08/world/europe/08iht-letter08.html

"On Feb. 18, Germany did something unthinkable. It voted in favor of a U.N. Security Council resolution calling the Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territory illegal and demanding the immediate halt of all settlement activity. "

i dont get it, what's so 'unthinkable' about this? sounds like they did the right thing on calling them out on these illegal settlements.

Germany also just pulled out of NATO operations in Libya. YAY!

 

[JS80]

So replacing this:

with this:

is a bad thing?

 

[Matt1970]

So let me get this straight. Three countries declare war on Israel, Israel whooped um good in 6 days and took back land that was part of a peace settlement that the three countries broke. THAT is considered illegal land?

 

[SandEagle]

*yawn* another israel/palestine crapfest, nothing to see. just balancing out the pali/israeli threads here in P&N....dont care about either side one way or the other lulz

 

[JS80]

*yawn* another israel/palestine crapfest, nothing to see. just balancing out the pali/israeli threads here in P&N....dont care about either side one way or the other lulz

What is there to balance? For every Good thread, do you post Evil threads to "balance" it out?

 

[Infohawk]

*yawn* another israel/palestine crapfest, nothing to see. just balancing out the pali/israeli threads here in P&N....dont care about either side one way or the other lulz

You're calling your own post a crapfest? So you admit you're just posting to troll?

 

[Zebo]

Old habits die hard. Wonder if they started drawing up plans for gas showers again and incinerators.

 

[Zebo]

*yawn* another israel/palestine crapfest, nothing to see. just balancing out the pali/israeli threads here in P&N....dont care about either side one way or the other lulz

LOLZ so you admit trolling.

 

[Jhhnn]

So let me get this straight. Three countries declare war on Israel, Israel whooped um good in 6 days and took back land that was part of a peace settlement that the three countries broke. THAT is considered illegal land?

Funny what people believe. That's completely inaccurate. Israel attacked first in 1967, and occupied land that wasn't ever awarded to them by anybody, certainly not by the people already living there.

I didn't say that for your benefit, because I doubt that the truth will change your opinion in the slightest, but merely to interject some facts.

 

[BoT]

because everybody would usually be quick to call germany anti semitic
thats why it is "unthinkable"

 

[Zebo]

They are a leopard doesn't change his spots.

 

[Matt1970]

Funny what people believe. That's completely inaccurate. Israel attacked first in 1967, and occupied land that wasn't ever awarded to them by anybody, certainly not by the people already living there.

I didn't say that for your benefit, because I doubt that the truth will change your opinion in the slightest, but merely to interject some facts.

In May 1967, Nasser received false reports from the Soviet Union that Israel was massing on the Syrian border. Nasser began massing his troops in the Sinai Peninsula on Israel's border (May 16), expelled the UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai (May 19) and took up UNEF positions at Sharm el-Sheikh, overlooking the Straits of Tiran.[18][19] Israel reiterated declarations made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war, or justification for war.[20][21] Nasser declared the Straits closed to Israeli shipping on May 22–23. On May 30, Jordan and Egypt signed a defense pact. The following day, at Jordan's invitation, the Iraqi army began deploying troops and armored units in Jordan.[22] They were later reinforced by an Egyptian contingent. On June 1, Israel formed a National Unity Government by widening its cabinet, and on June 4 the decision was made to go to war. On the eve of the war, Egypt massed approximately 100,000 of its 160,000 troops in the Sinai. Syria's army had a total strength of 75,000 and amassed them along the Syrian border.

I don't think any country that had that much crap coming at them wouldn't strike first. You mass all your troops on my border, you just opened the whole can of whoop-ass.

"Facts" are a funny thing when people leave out very pertinent details. When you just claim Israel struck first, they look like the aggressors. When you mention that there were hundreds of thousands of enemy troops on their borders, it sure looks like self defense.

 

[Zebo]

Another thing about Germany is, as a democracy, they have to appease their growing Muslim population who wants Israel and jews wiped off the map.

As Europe becomes Muslim I fully expect all nations of Europe to turn on Israel. That's what nukes are for. Never again. Never again means never again unless you are prepared to leave this world too.

 

[DivideBYZero]

New title; "A Deepening Rift Between Everyone and Israel"

 

[KMFJD]

I seriously doubt Europe will become muslim any time soon

 

[Throckmorton]

I don't think the majority in Israel even supports the settlements...

 

[Jhhnn]

"Facts" are a funny thing when people leave out very pertinent details. When you just claim Israel struck first, they look like the aggressors. When you mention that there were hundreds of thousands of enemy troops on their borders, it sure looks like self defense.

Your unattributed quote carries no weight, and you conveniently forgot to defend your assertion that Israel "took back" territory that was theirs in the first place. That's not what happened. We both know it.

 

[Atreus21]

Your unattributed quote carries no weight, and you conveniently forgot to defend your assertion that Israel "took back" territory that was theirs in the first place. That's not what happened. We both know it.

Wikipedia. 6 day war.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Funny what people believe. That's completely inaccurate. Israel attacked first in 1967, and occupied land that wasn't ever awarded to them by anybody, certainly not by the people already living there.

I didn't say that for your benefit, because I doubt that the truth will change your opinion in the slightest, but merely to interject some facts.

Actually you are leaving out the reasons why??
If you believe its as simple as you state then you are in need of knowing the truth!!

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_sixday_whostarted.php

Who initiated hostilities in the Six Day War?
One of the frequently heard claims against Israel is that she started the Six Day War in1967, that Israel attacked peaceful Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq on June 5, 1967 and seized the Gaza Strip from Egypt, the “West Bank” from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria in an act of aggression.

The background to the Six Day War is quite different from the propagandistic claims of pro-Arab sources. Egypt and Israel’s other neighboring countries — all Arabs — took actions in a series of increasingly provocativeand threatening steps during May and early June of 1967, accompanied with rhetoric stating very clearly the intent to attack and destroy Israel. Attempts by Israel to negotiate, find United Nations support, or other international diplomatic resolution failed. The United Nations Emergency Forces (UNEF) stationed on the Egyptian-Israeli border were withdrawn without any discussion. A US plan to lift the blockcade of Israeli shipping found little support internationally.

Arab mobilization compelled Israel to mobilize its forces, 80 percent of which were reserve civilians. Israel feared slow economic strangulation because of the costs of long-term mobilization and the damage of the shipping blockcade. Israeli leaders feared the consequences of absorbing an Arab first strike against its civilian population, many of whom lived only miles from Arab-controlled territory. Incendiary Arab rhetoric threatening Israel’s annihilation terrified Israeli society and contributed to the pressures to go to war.

Faced with few choices, on June 4, 1967 the Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip. Despite an Israeli appeal to Jordan to stay out of the conflict, Jordan attacked Israel and thereby lost control of the West Bank and the eastern sector of Jerusalem. Israel went on to capture the Golan Heights from Syria by the time the war ended on June 10.

 

[Lemon law]

Actually, IMHO, JEDIY just stated why Israel attacked first. Namely because Israel could not continually deploy its civilian based reserve.

The flaw with the JEDIY excuse is that desperation against a basic embargo is not permissible reason for war, or the very economic embargo advocates against Iran and imposes on Gaza and the West Bank would be acts of war on the part of Israel. But as JediY always points out Israel stands for peace.

Nor does it ever seem to occur to anyone in Israel, when almost all of the international community calls for the end of Israeli settlement in disputed lands, maybe it time for Israel to alter its behavior.

But tell us about it all again JediY, all those many desperate and misunderstood Serial murders and bank robbers who just want to be left alone so they can continue their former ways.