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a date which will live in infamy

MtnMan

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This refers to FDR's speech the day after Pearl Harbor was attacked.

Before my time, as was VE day, and VJ day.

In my lifetime I remember; Events where you just stop cold and say fuck, or shit, or damn.
  • Assassination of JFK (I was in high school)
  • Man walks on the moon (just got out of the Navy)
  • Berlin Wall coming down
  • Challenger explosion
  • 9/11
  • January 6, 2021 - the latest entry.
Some good, some bad, but the worst is the last entry, motivated by an elected president of this country.
 
This refers to FDR's speech the day after Pearl Harbor was attacked.

Before my time, as was VE day, and VJ day.

In my lifetime I remember; Events where you just stop cold and say fuck, or shit, or damn.
  • Assassination of JFK (I was in high school)
  • Man walks on the moon (just got out of the Navy)
  • Berlin Wall coming down
  • Challenger explosion
  • 9/11
  • January 6, 2021 - the latest entry.
Some good, some bad, but the worst is the last entry, motivated by an elected president of this country.


Too young to recall JFK but I recall every other moment clearly even the moon landing.

*(born Jan 1964)
 
I was in grade school when JFK was killed. I remember all those things, plus the Democratic convention in Chicago, the Kent State shootings, (I had enlisted, but still was in the world undergoing various schools) ALL uf the US space program, plus the furor over Sputnik...
 
This refers to FDR's speech the day after Pearl Harbor was attacked.

Before my time, as was VE day, and VJ day.

In my lifetime I remember; Events where you just stop cold and say fuck, or shit, or damn.
  • Assassination of JFK (I was in high school)
  • Man walks on the moon (just got out of the Navy)
  • Berlin Wall coming down
  • Challenger explosion
  • 9/11
  • January 6, 2021 - the latest entry.
Some good, some bad, but the worst is the last entry, motivated by an elected president of this country.


I remember when I heard about 9/11, pretty vividly (was at work and saw the reports on the web). Ditto the Challenger explosion (caught a glimpse of the image of the bifurcating vapour trails on a TV through someone's window and wondered what the heck that was, it looked like something serious). This event will I guess be forever linked in my mind to being stuck in lockdown and perversely thankful for the distraction, I guess.

Remember the Wall coming down, and am annoyed that I didn't get to rush off to Berlin to join in the party as at least one friend did.

What annoys me is I remember very clearly when I heard of Princess Di's death (someone phoned and woke me up to tell me about it), when I really never cared about Princess Di and generally go out of my way to avoid ever hearing anything about the Royals (prefer to pretend they don't exist). I resent that memory taking up space in my brain that could be used for something else.
 
First of those I can actually remember was the Challenger explosion. My mom hoisted me up from my seat in the kitchen so I could watch it. I'm surprised I still wanted to be an astronaut (not that I became one) after that!
 
First of those I can actually remember was the Challenger explosion. My mom hoisted me up from my seat in the kitchen so I could watch it. I'm surprised I still wanted to be an astronaut (not that I became one) after that!
Same with me. To young for JFK or the moon landings. I remember Challenger though. I was with my Mom at work because we had a snow day, (she was a computer scientist). One of her co-workers came in and said the shuttle had exploded and I being a huge space geek said that the shuttle couldn’t explode. Boy was I sadly mistaken.

17 years later for Columbia I had gotten up early with my son who was still a baby at the time. I called up NASA TV on the computer to see if they had finally managed to deorbit.

My wife had been working that mission as a back room shuttle flight controller on the night shift. Columbia had been stuck in orbit an extra day or two due to bad weather at the Cape. If they landed she didn’t have to go back in after being on for two weeks straight.

I turned it on just in time to hear NASA public affairs say the Flight Director had ordered her doors locked. Which is the first thing they do after we’ve lost a crew.
 
ALL uf the US space program, plus the furor over Sputnik...
I wasn't here when it happened, but a piece of Sputnik fell in the town right here...they still have a "SputnikFest" every year, heh.

edit: the first of your list that I was old enough to witness and recall were the Challenger (I was shocked at 8 years old) and Berlin Wall coming down.

I had off of work on 9/11 and sat glued to the TV literally all day long. It took a while for that day to really sink in.
The McVeigh OKC bombing was sorta the same, a bit lesser degree of shock but still plenty to go around.

01/06/21 was the only event on the list that really had much if any forewarning besides maybe the Berlin wall, which was a longtime coming and not an acute event, per se. There were plenty who foresaw an event like what happened before it happened. It was expected sooner or later with all the incitement and rhetoric and alt-facts.
 
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I was born in '66; watched the last moon launch from our beach house on Cocoa Beach. It was a beautiful night launch. The rocket flames were huge and awe inspiring to my little mind.

Challenger I knew exploded almost immediately. Most of my neighbors and some of my family worked at KSC back then. And having seen almost everything that launched from there and the CC Air Force Station, when something goes wrong, it is obvious. I was hitting the heavy bag I had hanging under an oak tree, on the side of my parents house (needed to vent the rage and grief I was feeling after witnessing it) when my next door neighbor that worked in launch control came home. I had never seen him look like that before, it was like his wife or one of his children just died. I asked him if he knew the cause, and he said in a dejected, tired, grief filled voice "I don't know Mark. They just told us to collect all our data, turn it in, and go home."

The Berlin wall felt like a collective sigh from my POV. I concluded something important to the avoidance of nuclear conflict was happening. An olive branch of sorts. Again, that was my perspective, but it was a hopeful time in my mind. That was the threat many of us in this thread grew up with. The pall, the specter, of M.A.D.

OK City bombing was a WTF for me. I could not wrap my brain around how a fellow American could do something like that.

Branch Davidians were a big deal here in my area. Religious nuts abound here, and they were saying he was the lamb of god because of that stupid Demi Moore movie, the Seventh Sign. That's right, the compassionate, conservative, christians, were still whack jobs fervently waiting for Jesus' comeback tour. Regan was the antichrist because his first, middle, and last name had 6 letters. Clinton was the antichrist because he was popular, and they would quote the bible derp that they could best make fit their deluded hypothesis. And of course there was their continued boycotting and pearl clutching over Proctor&Gamble. If you don't know that one, you have to read about it. Because all of this conservatard derp you are currently witnessing has been building to a crescendo for many decades now. I hope I am preaching to the proverbial choir with that one.

Which brings us up to date. We are currently in the midst, of the culmination, of all these decades of conservatards being conditioned to believe anything that their demagogues tell them to. And reading what a holocaust survivor is saying, this is a lot like what it felt like to live in Germany in the 30's. Watching your countrymen get whipped into a rabid, foaming, frenzy, by a madman and his henchmen. While many become complicit through inaction, apathy, ignorance, fear, and anger. OH, and opportunism, mustn't forget that one.
 
I could not wrap my brain around how a fellow American could do something like that.


The vast majority of terrorist acts inside the US have been committed by 'our fellow Americans'.

Used to be 'the left' by groups such as The Weathermen and anti-war protestors (draft office bombings). Anti-Government right wing nuts are nothing new either; look up Gordon Kahl.
 
The vast majority of terrorist acts inside the US have been committed by 'our fellow Americans'.

Used to be 'the left' by groups such as The Weathermen and anti-war protestors (draft office bombings). Anti-Government right wing nuts are nothing new either; look up Gordon Kahl.
You certainly had a better grip on it back then, than I did. None of those events were "real" for me at the time, if you grok my meaning.
 
Trump was hands down the worst POTUS ever ... BEFORE Jan. 6, 2021. It was no contest. Now, I want his hide for my doormat.
I may start a poll asking is Trump the worst president in all our lifetimes? That could take us back as far as FDR. Nixon was corrupt but isn't even close which just shows you how far our standards have been lowered. Maybe Andrew Johnson could give Trump a go but none of us are that old.
 
A lot of dark days people have brought up, and once mentioned I remember them, but they don't have the gobsmacked effect, at least to me, as my original list.
 
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