A customer is possibly under a sect control

paulney

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I had a very strange customer right now. As some of you may know, I run a translation business. A customer called, and wanted to _urgently_ make a will in his native language, and have it urgently translated and notarized (we provide notarial services as well).

I explained that as a notary I highly recommend he talk to a qualified lawyer. At the same time, if the client insists, it is the notary's duty to perform the notarization - you are not allowed to deny service.

The guy insisted, that he wants it done today, and that a good friend of his loaned him a large sum of money (19k), and literally saved him. He wants to make a will with an option of giving him cash for his good actions in the event of a fatal accident . He wanted to give his friend $20k. This 'fatal accident' theme comes up at least four times during the phone talk.

I said: OK, come on over, bring your will, we'll do it. In the meanwhile I researched CA law, and found a statutory will online, which has an exact option the guy wants. It does not need translation, and does not need notarization either - just 2 witnesses, otherwise it's invalid.

The guy comes over in the most beat-up van I've ever seen. He looks agitated, sad, and lost at the same time. I explain everything to him, handle him the form, and wish him good luck. The guy fills it out the form right in front of me, and changes the will sum to $30k. Then he thanks me for the service, for not charging me for anything, handles me the CD 'Creation vs Evolution', and leaves.

It then dawns on me that he may be under sect control, will commit suicide by running a car into the wall, and have the money go towards the sect. I have no doubt he'll find two friends from the sect to sign it.

What should I do? I have his cell # and his name.
 

paulney

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Just looked at CD. It's a ripped CD of Harvest House Publishers propaganda of creationism.
 

elmro

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Report it the police - if he does kick the bucket there will be a note in his file that insurers may see. I'm sure they don't pay out on suicides or suicides that look like accidents.
 

paulney

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Can someone please explain to me what this means? I don't get what is happening.

What's there to explain?

- a customer behaves extremely suspiciously
- many signs point to insurance fraud by committing suicide
- possible sect involvement
 

everman

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Can someone please explain to me what this means? I don't get what is happening.</end quote></div>

It sounds like he thinks some kind of organization is getting him to will all of his money to them and force him to commit suicide.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Can someone please explain to me what this means? I don't get what is happening.

What's there to explain?

- a customer behaves extremely suspiciously
- many signs point to insurance fraud by committing suicide
- possible sect involvement

I don't know what sect involvement means. That is totally ambiguous to me.
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: paulney
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Can someone please explain to me what this means? I don't get what is happening.</end quote></div>

What's there to explain?

- a customer behaves extremely suspiciously
- many signs point to insurance fraud by committing suicide
- possible sect involvement</end quote></div>

I don't know what sect involvement means. That is totally ambiguous to me.

Think....scientology.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: elmro
Report it the police - if he does kick the bucket there will be a note in his file that insurers may see. I'm sure they don't pay out on suicides or suicides that look like accidents.

some will after a certain time period. when i got life insurance a couple of years ago my policy wouldnt pay out on suicide unless the policy had been kept for 2 years, iirc

seemed weird that theyd even cover it at all
 

Jeff7

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I gotta get in on this crazy-sect stuff. It sounds fun.
Are people really that easy to control?


1.) Gain control over your fellow man!
2.) Raise an army of loyal, disposable, brainless minions!
3.) Tell them to give you lots of money, and then have them commit suicide.
4.) There IS NO "....." step!
5.) Profit!!!

What could be better? People willing to do your bidding, give you all their money, and die on your command.
 

paulney

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Just spoke to an officer who came over. They'll try to contact the guy and get a feel for the situation.
 

Lurknomore

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ATOT is practically a sect.
If some members can convince a newbie to make a will, borrow 20k from a friend, and drink 3 gallons of water straight or something similar, hmm...I know that we could set up a "fund" in his name.;)
 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: paulney
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Can someone please explain to me what this means? I don't get what is happening.</end quote></div>

What's there to explain?

- a customer behaves extremely suspiciously
- many signs point to insurance fraud by committing suicide
- possible sect involvement

most insurance policies have suicide clauses for the 1st years or so. After which its treated like any other death. fraud would be if he's still within those early years is to make it like an accident. Which from the OP you have no idea. After that there's little fraud to be done other than medical records but most insurance companies aren't stupid and let you hand pick good buddies of yours.
 

paulney

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It looks to me some people think I'm concerned about the fraud part. I could care less. I'm concerned about this guy's life. Sorry, if it didn't come through in my OP.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: effee
Just leave the guy be..

why? that is a pretty selfish attitude. this guy could want to help but feels like he is trapped. you have no idea what is going on with him. people like you are what makes society such an annoying place. the guy can always tell him to go away or back off, but if he doesn't try then he certainly has no chance even if he wanted it.