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Born2bwire

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All atheists?

Well sir! Rest assured I will NOT be eating any of your chicken sandwiches thank you very much.
 

pcgeek11

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They did some polls at my university. There was a strong correlation between GPA and religiousness (the more religious you are, the lower your GPA). There was also a fairly strong relationship between being non-religious and being in the engineering or sciences area.

(granted it was an informal email poll, not a proper poll, etc).

Then it actually means nothing... right?
 

Mike Gayner

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Then it actually means nothing... right?

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Fayd

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just in case of what? according to christianity agnostics would burn in hell anyway. as an atheist I just consider the absence of a deity to probable and a practical belief to hold. if evidence were to arise confirming the existence of a deity, I'd convert in a heartbeat.

depends on your interpretation of the bible and scripture.

personally i like the dante's comedy interpretation. enlightened pagans and agnostics get to hang with other enlightened pagans and agnostics on the first level of hell, which, aside from being not in god's presence, isn't a place of punishment.

what one chooses to believe and accept is entirely their own choice. personally, the thought of nothing beyond death, meaning oblivion, the "soul" is meaningless, and our conciousness is just the result of complex chemical interactions that cease after death to be a much scarier prospect than the possibility of eternal punishment.
 

El Guaraguao

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I was watching this Christian organization on TV the other day who specialized in helping the unfortunate out. They would go to poverty stricken, low income, non educated areas to recruit. Most people they came across easily assimilate into their organization. Where if you had this same organization go to a school campus and try to recruit, you can ONLY guess what happens. While the issue here is NOT the Christians helping out the "unfortunate" but what im trying to point out, is that its almost a fact that the uneducated you are, aka stupid, the more susceptible you are to take in what religion offers. Think about it.


BTW, I'm intoxicated.
 

Angry Irishman

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I work for the Air Force and asside from us all choosing the same career field (computer programming) we didn't choose to work together in any way. We're all atheists though.

I spent 20 plus years in the Air Force and I can assure you that the entire Air Force populous are not atheists. I still work as a civilian with Air Force and most are actually quite religious. Me, I'm Catholic although not practicing.
 

slayer202

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We all just happen to be atheist.

Huge difference between that and purposely cherry-picking people who are atheist or asking during the interview if someone is religious or not.

My boss isn't stupid and understands the rules. :rolleyes:

it's all bullshit anyway, as religion is a CHOICE, versus all the other things you can't discriminate against which are not choices(race, gender, sexuality, etc).
 

Dr. Zaus

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Ours is a lab of evolutionary geneticists.

and nearly all of us are European, so....

Calvinists...


So it's a bell curve about 110? I know 3 140+s that are presently hard-core Christians (a Mechanical Engineer, a guy that does programming for AMD and a leading business scholar) and a single 130 who's an atheist (unemployed). So, that makes sense to me. And then there's me. I'm the smartest person I know and I've experienced a life with Christ in it and a life without Christ in it and I can assure you that the life with Christ in it is a positive enough difference that I firmly believe.

First off, "atheism" isn't a religion and secondly, welcome to the future where we have gotten rid of ingrained prejudices and assumptions.
um... except for the part where you prejudicially assume that those with faith have not gotten rid of their ingrained prejudices.

You stupid or what?
 
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sao123

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To be a good engineer and/or scientist, you need good logic skills. If you have good logic skills, you don't buy into the religious stuff because it isn't logical.


I wasnt aware that being christian affected the value of 4+4, the sin(x), the atomic weight of carbon, the electrical charge between 2 charged particles, or the lift and drag of a swept wing.


the idea that religious folks are less intelligent or dont have logic reasoning, or make poor engineers, is nothing but trolling, IMO.


As for being illogical, it would seem that aethists are more illogical than the religious as most archaeological studies show that the 3 major religious texts (the bible, the koran, the tanakh) are all very much being historically accurate. Somehow you aethists seem to ignore that.
 

sourceninja

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Why don't religious people believe in every God, just in case?

Exactly, I've made a decision with information available. I will change my decision when the facts change. No reason to doubt myself.

I look at agnostics at people who are just afraid to really get behind what they believe in.
 

slayer202

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I wasnt aware that being christian affected the value of 4+4, the sin(x), the atomic weight of carbon, the electrical charge between 2 charged particles, or the lift and drag of a swept wing.


the idea that religious folks are less intelligent or dont have logic reasoning, or make poor engineers, is nothing but trolling, IMO.


As for being illogical, it would seem that aethists are more illogical than the religious as most archaeological studies show that the 3 major religious texts (the bible, the koran, the tanakh) are all very much being historically accurate. Somehow you aethists seem to ignore that.

Your entire post is wrong
 
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I think that most people who call themselves atheist are really agnostic. Its just the phrasing. Saying that you're agnostic means that you aren't sure, but it makes it seem like you lean towards a religious possibility.

People who call themselves atheists are probably really agnostics but lean towards the lack of a religious possibility. Not wanting to be confused, they call themselves atheist.

ugh not this again. that's not what agnosticism means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

'do not know what to believe' =/= 'believing we can never know'
 
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Im in a large engineering firm but i would say most are religious of some kind. Im not...but im also not born and raised here in the midwest where religion runs wild.
 

brandonb

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My boss - A pastor at a local church

Me - Catholic

One of my employees - Catholic

Another employee #2 - Christian not sure which denomination.

Another employee #3 - Not sure, but he got pretty pissed when another coworker (who no longer works here) said they worshipped Satan and asked to have the guy fired.

My bosses boss (COO) - I know brings his kids to a Christian school.

The CEO - Is a huge republican so I'm sure that means he is religious too but never had a personal conversation with him to know.

All of us work tech, but its not a software company (even though most on that list write software, we just write our own internal software for the primary business needs), so I'm not sure if that means anything.
 

PottedMeat

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As for being illogical, it would seem that aethists are more illogical than the religious as most archaeological studies show that the 3 major religious texts (the bible, the koran, the tanakh) are all very much being historically accurate. Somehow you aethists seem to ignore that.

what does the historical significance of the books have to do with atheism?
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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I spent 20 plus years in the Air Force and I can assure you that the entire Air Force populous are not atheists. I still work as a civilian with Air Force and most are actually quite religious. Me, I'm Catholic although not practicing.

I wasn't saying the whole air force was atheist. I was saying everyone I work with was.
 

actuarial

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Everyone I work with who've said anything about it is atheist. We used to have one really religious guy (he used to have bible study before work) but he's gone now.

I'm sure most people would agree (even though they don't actually understand their function) that actuaries are a godless bunch anyways!
 

Jeff7

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In my department: Supervisor, not sure, he doesn't talk about it much.
Coworker: He doesn't talk about it much either, but he's hardcore religious. International missionary trips, heavy church involvement, all that.
There was at one point a Jehovah's Witness also, though she was actually rather courteous about it. I believe she was the only one who knew of my distinct lack of belief, but she didn't at any point attempt to convert me. She even stopped with the "Bless you" after sneezing, which was nice. :)
She was laid off awhile back though. :\

And then there's me, the unclean heathen. :D
 

epidemis

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um... except for the part where you prejudicially assume that those with faith have not gotten rid of their ingrained prejudices.

You stupid or what?

I don't assume, it's a logical deduction! A belief in the bible = prejudiced towards the world!
 

mattpegher

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Agnosticism is an academic distinction, it's irrelevant. Atheism is simply not believing in religion. A vague philosophical notion that somehow can't really really know anything for sure doesn't make you believe in religion and thus agnosticism is just a sub-direction of Atheism.

More accurately, Atheism is the belief that a creator god does not exist, A -absence, theism - belief in god. There are hindu sects that are atheistic, believing in the soul (chakra?) and reincarnation but without some permanent noncorporial intelligence that created the universe. I believe Jainism is one of them. Pantheism is the belief in a noncorporial energy that exists in all things including humans. Panentheism believes that an intelligent force exists that pervades all things.

There are many thoughts on these themes.